Muzzin taketh, and he giveth away. Kings lose to FLA 3-2

It was a beautiful day, the sun beat down.
I had the radio on, but the Kings game came on.

I need to know, I need to know.
I need to know if you wanna go (Williams).

We got something we both know it, we don't talk too much about it (Richie to Carter).

Oh the waiting is the harest part! (it's only February?!?)

Kings, stop dragging my heart around!
 
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Yep, that about sums it up after yesterday's loss to the Panthers, or the 4-0 loss to the Capitals, or the loss to the Bruins, or the loss of Pearson and Toffoli, or...
 
i don't think DL had 3rd pairing in mind when he signed Greene with a 2.5million/per contract

that came from pure love, and desperation after loosing Mitchell

no other options were available and he knew that Doughty Voynov Muzzin Martinez was thin

you don't pay 2.5million for a guy that should be playing 10-12mins unless you have other plans

When Lombardi signed Greene to the extension, which of these guys do you think he expected Greene to beat out for top 4 minutes?

Doughty
Muzzin
Regher
Voynov
Martinez

No chance Greene was signed to be anything other than a bottom pairing guy.

I have completely lost confidence in this team to do anything. 51 games in and they haven't looked good except against the Sharks on December 27.

That's been it.

Eh, they looked like the old team against Chicago too. Too bad two games out of 50+ doesn't cut it.
 
Originally Posted by AKAY47

Lombardi's first round drafting hasn't been the great. I've said this before and I'll say it again: Derek Forbort's slow development has really daunted this organization. He's someone I'm sure the Kings would love to have up here instead of Jamie McBain and Brayden McNabb. Sheesh, he's entering bust territory.



Forbort has been playing well at Manchester, and probably deserves his shot. He's in the top 10 in the AHL in plus minus, and sure, he does not put up many points, but he seems to handle AHL play rather easily. Not saying it would translate, but we won't know unless we see it. I don't think he's any where near bust territory, and i think other teams would love to have him. Should he have been 15th overall? Maybe not. But if he were a second or third we'd feel like we got a bargain. Is Forbort better than McBain or McNabb? I would say at this point that defensively he will be. Offensively, he could still be somewhat of a sleeper, but doubtful. He does break up plays very well with his skating and long reach, and is only physical when he needs to be. He seems to concentrate on his positioning, and doesn't go for hits that might take him out of position. He makes good first passes, and because of his skating, doesn't get caught eating the puck. He certainly tries to avoid eating the puck, unlike McNabb who seems to go into eat mode almost every time he touches it. I don't think the development has as much to do with college as much as it has to do with a young 6'5" 18 year old kid growing into his body, and getting much stronger. It took some time. I agree there is no rush in his progression, but I do think the Kings should start playing him in some games. Especially next year while in Ontario. He still won't have to clear waivers next year also, so even next year he can play in both places to get his minutes in. Also, Miller won't have to clear waivers also, and the Kings need to be thinking about him this way too. He does a lot of things well, and can really shoot. Winning the AHL shot comp doesn't really mean anything. You get a running start at the puck. However, Miller skates so well, and his ability to change angles, get shots through, and still get off very hard shots is impressive. For both these kids, it'll be hard not seeing them in a Kings uniform soon with how the rest of the D have looked.

Bodnarchuk should be considered as well Look at his stats over the last two seasons compared to all D in Manchester
 
I know Quick hasn't been to blame for much of this disaster season, but SOME of that has to fall on him. That's atrocious. Few teams should have a losing record when holding teams to 25 shots or less.

He got away with some of his soft goals in the past because he had a lock down D to pick him up..

But if there is one guy that probably needs a break its Quick.. Look how many high pressure games the guy has played the last 3 years.

I am more than willing to give him a pass this year..

And Kopi needs to put it into a wide open net when he gets the chance, he fumbled a chance last night like it like a pee wee hockey player.
 
When Lombardi signed Greene to the extension, which of these guys do you think he expected Greene to beat out for top 4 minutes?

Doughty
Muzzin
Regher
Voynov
Martinez

No chance Greene was signed to be anything other than a bottom pairing guy.

Why is this so HARD TO UNDERSTAND!?!? All of the defensive woes are Voynov's fault. I don't care what anyone says, it's true. He's gone and everything went to hell because of him. If Dean was really cynical (and I've thought about this more than a few times) he would trade him if he's exonerated. A big **** you for ruining this season.

We went from -

Muzzin - Doughty
Regehr - Voynov
Martinez - Greene
Schultz
McBain

To -

Muzzin - Doughty
Regehr - Expanded Role
Expanded Role - Expanded Role
Expanded Role

Martinez is playing the most minutes of his career.
Greene was signed as a sixth/seventh defenseman.
McBain is a regular.

He ruined the defense by putting half of it out of sync. And I'll be honest (brace yourself for this), I think he's guilty. I think he's guilty because his play over last season and into this season was very average. How many times did we say his head wasn't in the game? I've thought it all along and I believe it's true. What a moron.
 
I've been saying it for a while now and I don't think we'll ever see Voynov in a Kings sweater again. My gut is that piece of **** is going to be deported. There is too much smoke to ignore everything that's been said.
 
Matt Greene's role on the team hasn't changed, his ice time hasn't increased nor has his time on the PK. It's the same it's been since 2011.

He just sucks.
 
Why is this so HARD TO UNDERSTAND!?!? All of the defensive woes are Voynov's fault. I don't care what anyone says, it's true. He's gone and everything went to hell because of him. If Dean was really cynical (and I've thought about this more than a few times) he would trade him if he's exonerated. A big **** you for ruining this season.

We went from -

Muzzin - Doughty
Regehr - Voynov
Martinez - Greene
Schultz
McBain

To -

Muzzin - Doughty
Regehr - Expanded Role
Expanded Role - Expanded Role
Expanded Role

Martinez is playing the most minutes of his career.
Greene was signed as a sixth/seventh defenseman.
McBain is a regular.

He ruined the defense by putting half of it out of sync. And I'll be honest (brace yourself for this), I think he's guilty. I think he's guilty because his play over last season and into this season was very average. How many times did we say his head wasn't in the game? I've thought it all along and I believe it's true. What a moron.

Great post man.
 
Why is this so HARD TO UNDERSTAND!?!? All of the defensive woes are Voynov's fault. I don't care what anyone says, it's true. He's gone and everything went to hell because of him. If Dean was really cynical (and I've thought about this more than a few times) he would trade him if he's exonerated. A big **** you for ruining this season.

We went from -

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I think the defensive personnel woes are the Voynov issue, but our defense isn't just abysmal because of personnel; it's the forwards' collective lack of brain, too. That's not something we can fix with a trade.
 
Welp, I ain't even mad. I knew this team was headed towards this route so whatever.

I totally agree about Kopitar though. He needs to be the #1 guy, like Toews, like Getzlaf, even like ****ing Patrice Bergeron. Right now he doesn't deserve to get paid like these guys. I don't see his play picking up either, because he's passed his prime.

The way things are going, we might draft high in a really good draft, so at least there's that.

And yes, **** Voynov big time. **** him.
 
Welp, I ain't even mad. I knew this team was headed towards this route so whatever.

I totally agree about Kopitar though. He needs to be the #1 guy, like Toews, like Getzlaf, even like ****ing Patrice Bergeron. Right now he doesn't deserve to get paid like these guys. I don't see his play picking up either, because he's passed his prime.

The way things are going, we might draft high in a really good draft, so at least there's that.

And yes, **** Voynov big time. **** him.

Really? he's like 27 or something. He's not past his prime.
 
Really? he's like 27 or something. He's not past his prime.

Points wise, yes, he's passed his prime. He's been getting fewer points year after year lately. Someone like Doughty is in their prime right now.

I ****ing hope he proves me wrong though.
 
Okay--let's get something straight. Let's not automatically associate "production prime" with playing ability prime. You have early-career Stevie Y and you have later-career Stevie Y. Which one is the 'better' player?

Even if Kopi's production takes a dip from here on out he may yet become an even stronger player. Same with others. Carter's scoring less than in the past; is he declining?

I'm going to take this season and all it's associated issues with a huge grain of salt in regard's to Kopi's struggles...and even then they're exaggerated. You would think he's going to end the season at 40 points the way everyone's talking about him.
 
Points wise, yes, he's passed his prime. He's been getting fewer points year after year lately. Someone like Doughty is in their prime right now.

I ****ing hope he proves me wrong though.

I think he'll bounce back, didn't Getzlaugh go through a crap season once? Kopitar is a big man and he doesn't play as physical a game, he should be good until his early thirties. Is Doughty past his prime once he hits 27?
 
I'd say both guys are having a pretty ****** year. It could be that they're declining, or that they're just beat right now. Who ****ing knows. Kopitar is infuriating me right now though, especially after watching some Ducks games and seeing how good Getzlaf is playing.

Its too early to say with Doughty, can't predict the future. Usually a player's prime is something like 23-28, but some guys are exceptions though...
 
I'd say both guys are having a pretty ****** year. It could be that they're declining, or that they're just beat right now. Who ****ing knows. Kopitar is infuriating me right now though, especially after watching some Ducks games and seeing how good Getzlaf is playing.

Its too early to say with Doughty, can't predict the future. Usually a player's prime is something like 23-28, but some guys are exceptions though...

I pin it all on Voynov to be honest, that and trying to make up for the loss of Mitchell.
 

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