Confirmed Trade: [MTL/VGK] David Schlemko for 2019 5th round pick
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That's pretty good. As Buffalo fans will see, Beaulieu has a negative hockey IQ.
hockeyheadlines
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Man, I'm sorry but I just can't follow along here. I'm not sure if I should applaud or if I should throw rocks.
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ryan callahan
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How much time did you watch him play tho? I bet just a few minutes from the World Championships.
JoeThorntonsRooster
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If you spend 4M in UFA and get a player of Schlemko's age and caliber that is a huge victory. Getting him for a 5th and saving 2M in cap space is even better.
mouser
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You should be asking what is GMDW thinking if he didn't want to offer a 4th to Vegas not to select Schlemko?
HF just won't admit that Bergevin had a pretty solid two weeks. I am very critical of him when he ***** the bed (check my post history). But the last two weeks have been solid.
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Muston Atthews
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It doesn't look better when you take a look at the state of the Habs current and future defense.
hockeyheadlines
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Its june, people are either very young or have a 6 months memory. I saw decent 3rd liner like Dackell(PK guy of 35-50 pts) for a 8th rounder.......each year you see around the draft way better guys for cheaper.
Do you prefer Schlemko 2.1M$ 30 yo for a 5th who plays 16 min a game or Holden 29 yo 1.6M$ who plays 21 min a game for a 4th. The is no amazing bargain in here, each year you see this on better players and sometimes some overpay on marginal player(Dorsett for a 3rd as example). So for the Montreal point of view and as a Montreal fan i would of prefer to keep the 5th but mainly keep the 4M$ and get a real good defenseman or overpay Radu a bit and give him less years.....something more useful than a 3rd pair guy at 2.1M$.
For the Vegas side, the point is that Vegas have extras and each trade brings a hole for a free player and more space to target better ones i cant help you. That hole you create can bring you a guy you can keep around better(Stone, Del Zotto) or a trade value(so more extra picks).....it all depend if GM is passive or agressive, he have all for him to do so many benefits.
hockeyheadlines
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ok, so it's rocks?
Yes i saw him only there but i watched all the games, that was enough lol i cant see him in the nhl with the more pressure of a smaller rink.
4M$ for a top 4 of 20+ min is a good price.
2M$ for a 3rd pair is where you create yourself problems. Now if we really want a real top 4 by trade or ufa we would still have to put 4M$ or more...
Dont forget Markov is more efficient with less ice time, Weber is the same. so we really need to cut down Markov's time to get better shift from him. So we need at least 1 extra guy who can give us a good 20-21 minutes and play our 3rd pair more than most of the teams.
If Markov(i cross my fingers) accept a 1 year at a low salary this might be a very big help. But i dont think Markov will even to help for a cup run.
CrypTic
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I wondered that too. But I think maybe DeBoer didn't like Schlemko for some reason. I think he was in the pile of "don't really have a strong preference among these players, considering their contracts" (e.g., Martin, Ward, Boedker, Dillon) so DW didn't want to pay to keep him.
The Sharks have a lot of prospects with similar skill sets as Schlemko, it was probably time to give a few a shot.
Schlemko at $2M is a good deal, above average bottom pairing guy and can play on the 2nd PP unit.
CrypTic
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I like Schlemko. As I said earlier in the thread, I would have paid a 4th for him. But I understand why DW didn't since the price wasn't really a 4th or 5th but 4th/5th + another player. Having some promising d-men (on the right and left) on the Barracuda made it easier to lose Schlemko.
I think Montreal got a good deal here. I hope that he works out for them and that our young d-men work out for us.
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So Ward, Martin, Dillion and Boedker couldnt of gotten more than a 5th? I mean they arent the hottest targets but a 5th?
mouser
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I'm not sure SJ could give Boedker away for free. I'm sure he could be moved if necessary but might require something coming back to SJ they'd prefer not to have.
The more I think about it the more I think Vegas just didn't want to deal with the risk of taking a different player they never wanted to keep from SJ and maybe having trouble moving the player later. It looks like Vegas cut two deals Tuesday to move TVR and Schlemko before the expansion selections were submitted.
Vegas has bigger fish to fry. I can understand why they might have just wanted to move on from the San Jose ED options and focus on other dealing.
The more I think about it the more I think Vegas just didn't want to deal with the risk of taking a different player they never wanted to keep from SJ and maybe having trouble moving the player later. It looks like Vegas cut two deals Tuesday to move TVR and Schlemko before the expansion selections were submitted.
Vegas has bigger fish to fry. I can understand why they might have just wanted to move on from the San Jose ED options and focus on other dealing.
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Schmelko is an avg 6th D who can play 2nd PP quite averagely...
not sure why Mtl wanted a 6mil contract on the books...oh well!!!
Bargain Bin love to have 3-4 #6
not sure why Mtl wanted a 6mil contract on the books...oh well!!!
Bargain Bin love to have 3-4 #6
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Intangir
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I was and am still ambivalent about the whole Sergachev/Drouin deal as I REALLY liked Sergachev and still think he has ''top-end defenseman'' written all over him while also liking Drouin's offensive game.
I hated the Beaulieu deal that Bergevin did the second it happened, especially when I saw that Mueller, a lesser d-man in my opinion, got a second round pick+ for San Jose.
I saw the Montreal Canadiens' GM squandering the team's assets and giving up on our young players and was furious and anxious. I called Bergevin out, said he was the worst.
As happens most often when words are spoken in a fit of anger without perspective, I was wrong.
We lost Emelin during the expansion draft, which weakened our D, but at the same time gave us capspace and flexibility. That was a lucky break for us, a gift given to us by Vegas and George McPhee.
After that good news, Bergevin followed that up today by acquiring an extremely serviceable #5-6 LHD whose best qualites is his capacity to facilitate the break-out from the defensive zone and generally help establish possession of the puck, while also being a good skater, experienced but not over-the-hill, consistent, signed for multiple years at a reasonable amount, and actually quite capable defensively.
A player like Schlemko is EXACTLY what we needed for our bottom pairing defense. The gameplan that Julien seemed to want to implement in the latter part of the season hinged on getting out of our zone and attacking fast while exploiting the chinks that our opponents showed defensively and generally keeping possession of the puck. In that sense, Schlemko fits our system better than Emelin and so should be a better overall contributor at about 50% of Emelin's salary.
That single good trade and the picks exchanged me re-evaluate Bergevin's moves and the value he got for Beaulieu as, well, not damaging. If he manages to get a good top-4 LHD that fits our system either via trade or UFA (despite a ''down'' year, Alzner could be good for us) using the gap in salaries between Emelin and Schlemko alongside the 2-2,5M$ that Beaulieu would have cost to keep, then his whole array of moves goes from being ''meh'' to instant improvement of the team.
That said, if Bergevin trades Galchenyuk for peanuts, I'll be right back to blast him and vent my righteous and passionate anger.
I hated the Beaulieu deal that Bergevin did the second it happened, especially when I saw that Mueller, a lesser d-man in my opinion, got a second round pick+ for San Jose.
I saw the Montreal Canadiens' GM squandering the team's assets and giving up on our young players and was furious and anxious. I called Bergevin out, said he was the worst.
As happens most often when words are spoken in a fit of anger without perspective, I was wrong.
We lost Emelin during the expansion draft, which weakened our D, but at the same time gave us capspace and flexibility. That was a lucky break for us, a gift given to us by Vegas and George McPhee.
After that good news, Bergevin followed that up today by acquiring an extremely serviceable #5-6 LHD whose best qualites is his capacity to facilitate the break-out from the defensive zone and generally help establish possession of the puck, while also being a good skater, experienced but not over-the-hill, consistent, signed for multiple years at a reasonable amount, and actually quite capable defensively.
A player like Schlemko is EXACTLY what we needed for our bottom pairing defense. The gameplan that Julien seemed to want to implement in the latter part of the season hinged on getting out of our zone and attacking fast while exploiting the chinks that our opponents showed defensively and generally keeping possession of the puck. In that sense, Schlemko fits our system better than Emelin and so should be a better overall contributor at about 50% of Emelin's salary.
That single good trade and the picks exchanged me re-evaluate Bergevin's moves and the value he got for Beaulieu as, well, not damaging. If he manages to get a good top-4 LHD that fits our system either via trade or UFA (despite a ''down'' year, Alzner could be good for us) using the gap in salaries between Emelin and Schlemko alongside the 2-2,5M$ that Beaulieu would have cost to keep, then his whole array of moves goes from being ''meh'' to instant improvement of the team.
That said, if Bergevin trades Galchenyuk for peanuts, I'll be right back to blast him and vent my righteous and passionate anger.
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