Proposal: Mtl & Van

[Habs Halifax]

the gallagher contract is the new lucic contract.

Not many Habs fans will argue against that

 

[Habs Halifax]

Jesus, people actually think gallagher and a B grade asset is a fair swap

OEL and a 2nd for Dvorak!

OEL and a 2nd for Dvorak is a fair reply but Dvorak is not one we want out that badly. Habs didn't ask his agent to start working on trades.

It doesn't have to meet up to your asking price. It just means that's as far as the Habs will go. And that B prospect you are talking about is putting up very good numbers in the Q on a bad team. Offering Kidney is not just some spare part. He's worth more than a 2nd rounder today. Likely is one of your best prospects in your pool if that trade happened. Don't agree? You tell me what you have is producing better than Kidney at age 18?

 

[Peen]

OEL and a 2nd for Dvorak is a fair reply but Dvorak is not one we want out that badly. Habs didn't ask his agent to start working on trades.

It doesn't have to meet up to your asking price. It just means that's as far as the Habs will go. And that B prospect you are talking about is putting up very good numbers in the Q on a bad team. Offering Kidney is not just some spare part. He's worth more than a 2nd rounder today. Likely is one of your best prospects in your pool if that trade happened. Don't agree? You tell me what you have is producing better than Kidney at age 18?

no one disagrees with this, you're arguing with yourself there

canucks prospect pool is bad! we have no prospects! water is wet!

 

[Habs Halifax]

no one disagrees with this, you're arguing with yourself there

canucks prospect pool is bad! we have no prospects! water is wet!

Yeah but you called him a grade B with no context and used a 2nd rounder in your counter narrative in terms of how it looks in reverse. It was not accurate in terms of the add on. Kidney is a B+ prospect preforming very well and is worth more than a 2nd rounder at this stage. I honestly don't think you get offered a better future

I think most teams take the same approach. It's a similar contract another team don't want that is close to Boeser with a future that is not a 1st rounder. Do you agree or not with that?

The other approach is a Armia and Pitlick offer. That's basically the offers you get from the Habs (like it or not).

 

[innitfam]

Gallagher and nothing more. No way we add anything for Boeser.

Yeah f*** that

Gallagher is worse than Boeser, significantly older, signed to basically the same AAV until approximately heat death of the universe.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Gallagher is a LTIR or buyout. That’s not a contract any team would trade for without much bigger incentives than Kidney. Hopefully it’s insured.

I doubt I could find 5 worse contracts in the NHL than Gallagher’s. You’re paying that guy $6.5mm thru June 2027. Holy smokes.

With Boeser, it would have been smarter for Vancouver to have given him his qualifying offer, which was like $7.5mm? for one year. They could have retained 50% and traded him as a rental in a month or so. The three year term was a stupid mistake by the GM.

Agreed

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah f*** that

Gallagher is worse than Boeser, basically the same AAV and signed until the heat death of the universe

I think most Habs fans know Gallagher straight up won't work. Boeser is younger and not tracking well but has less term. Habs would have to add a prospect like Kidney.

Personally, I'm only engaging on what we possibly might offer. I'm not a fan of Boeser's skating and I'm not that afraid of Gallagher on our roster as a vet during transition years. The last two years may be an issue but buyout don't look that bad (if we are forced to).

Armia and Pitlick is another option like others have mentioned but I'm assuming the Canucks are looking for a similar contract with the same ish term and a future on top.

 

[ole ole]

Lmao exactly my point:

“According to this Vancouver reporter, Romanov was offered to the Canucks, along with a draft pick and a hefty contract, to acquire Brock Boeser and bring him to Montreal.”

We don’t need another HEFT CONTRACT. That’s the whole point of us trading Boeser is to shed cap. We don’t need Galalgher’s awful contract

No where in that article was Gallagher mentioned. Thank God for the Habs that the Nucks turned it down.
You imagine a draft pick ,Romanov and a cap dump for Boeser and the Nucks turned it down.

 

[McJedi]

Canucks are one of those teams who had a good young core to build around but messed up their transition years. It's the biggest trap GM's make and they want to go from rebuilder to contender to quickly. They get antsy.

Never trade futures during transition years. It's premature. Never say never so I'll say, be very careful

Your Habs have a much better GM than Vancouver. You’re probably disappointed you have no realistic shot at the top of the 2023 draft but that’s because your GM is good. And your last GM made some killer trades and a great pick in 2019. MB was a fool with some contacts he handed out, but his trades and draft work yielded some gold. You completely ripped Vegas’s face off with the Suzuki trade. Might have peeled off Chicago’s face with Dach.

Avs did that with a few trades and it’s enjoyable as a fan. So enjoy those trade wins. It gets harder now that your team is getting good.

 

[McJedi]

Agreed

I don’t hate Boeser as a player. I just hate the AAV and 3 year term. I don’t get why Vancouver did that. They should have known adding term to that was a bad idea coming off the season he had. And he’s had back injury problems. Those are scary.

I feel bad for Boeser like anyone else. He’s had a really bad year with his dad passing, injuries and play that hasn’t been what he or Vancouver wants.

But damn. The NHL is a business and Vancouver has some bozos running that team that don’t seem to grasp that. There is no way Vancouver should have given Boeser a 3 year deal. They announced that like they made a good deal vs the one year qualifying offer. That was dumb and it was dumb at the time. Boeser needs to be playing on short term contracts until his play merits a long term one. It hasn’t and doesn’t yet. And now the GM has stuck Vancouver with a harder to trade contract than if they’d just done the qualifying offer. Retain 50% on that and he’s a scoring winger rental to a contender. That’s an easier sell. It was clear Boeser wasn’t core going into last summer. So the 3 years on his deal screams your GM is foolish and doesn’t know his team or what stage they should be in for future contention. It’s like a boat without a capable captain that knows where to steer.

But on a longer term deal Boeser has, now another team needs to believe in him. And why would they look at his current play and say. That’s exactly what we need for the next three years and will throw $6.65mm of cap space at it.

They won’t. And that’s why his value is probably negative. At least today. If he puts together a few months of good hockey, that would change and he’d be more moveable. But today, the buyer pool is really small is my guess.

 

[Boondock]

I think most Habs fans know Gallagher straight up won't work. Boeser is younger and not tracking well but has less term. Habs would have to add a prospect like Kidney.

Personally, I'm only engaging on what we possibly might offer. I'm not a fan of Boeser's skating and I'm not that afraid of Gallagher on our roster as a vet during transition years. The last two years may be an issue but buyout don't look that bad (if we are forced to).

Armia and Pitlick is another option like others have mentioned but I'm assuming the Canucks are looking for a similar contract with the same ish term and a future on top.

Not tracking well. I get that Boeser hasn't scored goals at the same clip as he did 2 seasons ago, but 16 points in 22 games for a scoring forward isnt that bad. He has .73 points per game. His point totals in 22 games would put him 5th in Habs scoring and he would be 3rd on the team in points per game.

Sure points aren't everything, he's a -14, etc, so not a perfect player but the dialogue that Boeser is terrible is so over-blown by people on here that haven't actually watched the player they are commenting on.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

No where in that article was Gallagher mentioned. Thank God for the Habs that the Nucks turned it down.
You imagine a draft pick ,Romanov and a cap dump for Boeser and the Nucks turned it down.

I really hope you're joking or I feel really bad for you. Just stop.

It was definitely Gallagher. If not him than Anderson. Either way yikes and no thank you.

 

[ole ole]

I really hope you're joking or I feel really bad for you. Just stop.

It was definitely Gallagher. If not him than Anderson. Either way yikes and no thank you.

You feel bad for me.
But than say , [ Definitely Gallagher. If not him than Anderson.]
You do know the meaning of Definitely ?
Just admit it .We have no clue who they were talking about.

Again a draft pick ,Romanov and a cap dump for Boeser and the Nucks turned it down.

 

[McJedi]

You feel bad for me.
But than say ,
Definitely Gallagher. If not him than Anderson.
Just admit you have no clue who they were talking about. No wait your response proves your just throwing out names. You do know the meaning of Definitely ?

Again a draft pick ,Romanov and a cap dump for Boeser and the Nucks turned it down.

Depends on the cap dump player. Romanov and the corpse of Drouin for Boeser would have been a great deal for Vancouver. Big W for Vancouver. Replace Drouin with Dadanov and still a great deal for Vancouver.

But Romanov + Gallagher for Boeser would have been a disaster deal for Vancouver. Huge loss for Vancouver.

Replace Romanov with Guhle and I still hate it for Vancouver. Gallagher has one of the worst contracts in the league. So so so negative value.

 

[wetcoast]

You're not gonna be happy with the return, wherever Boeser lands I can garantee you that.

Fair enough but it would be foolish to take on Gallaghers contract too.

 

[junyab]

Who cares. It's not like the Habs are in position to go after sought-after UFAs. They are in a rebuiling mode.

Well. The OP cared enough to add him to a trade, which is what I was responding to.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Fair enough but it would be foolish to take on Gallaghers contract too.

If the Canucks plans are to rebuild (again), it won't matter. If not Gallagher, you are going to take back a contract if you move Boeser.

Contract and some future is what you will be offered.

 

[innitfam]

If the Canucks plans are to rebuild (again), it won't matter. If not Gallagher, you are going to take back a contract if you move Boeser.

Contract and some future is what you will be offered.

Again, if the Canucks are to move Boeser, they have no reason to take back Gallagher. What would even be the point of that trade? Gallagher is a lot worse, older, and signed for longer.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

You're not gonna be happy with the return, wherever Boeser lands I can garantee you that.

Maybe but the return for Gallagher would be even worse.

 

[wetcoast]

If the Canucks plans are to rebuild (again), it won't matter. If not Gallagher, you are going to take back a contract if you move Boeser.

Contract and some future is what you will be offered.

"Some future" in yet another borderline NHL winger and a second?

That being said the Canucks made a huge mistake in resigning Boeser.

 

[Habs Halifax]

"Some future" in yet another borderline NHL winger and a second?

That being said the Canucks made a huge mistake in resigning Boeser.

Armia, Pitlick, and a 3rd rounder maybe. Not even sure I would do that. Boeser's cap hit is higher than Armia and Pitlick and not sure I like absorbing cap.

Dadonov and Armia and a 3rd rounder? Could do Armia and a 3rd for Boeser with some retention to even the cap out a bit. Boeser has one more year in term.

Or Hoffman for Boeser straight up

Canucks may not like these offers but that's basically what we would offer and I bet other teams are doing the same.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Again, if the Canucks are to move Boeser, they have no reason to take back Gallagher. What would even be the point of that trade? Gallagher is a lot worse, older, and signed for longer.

Why? Because It appears the Canucks are heading towards another rebuild. Gallagher's term left is not ideal. I understand that.

Again, if not Gallagher, Canucks are taking back a contract with a future. If it's Gallagher, the future would have to be something worth while. The contract won't be something you like but a necessary evil to move Boeser now. Gallagher or someone else. Understand? I think most teams who talk Boeser trade, take the same approach.

Thinking you can move Boeser for futures only where the other team takes on the full cap and no contract coming the other way is NHL cap space ignorance

 

[innitfam]

Why? Because It appears the Canucks are heading towards another rebuild. Gallagher's term left is not ideal. I understand that.

Again, if not Gallagher, Canucks are taking back a contract with a future. If it's Gallagher, the future would have to be something worth while. The contract won't be something you like but a necessary evil to move Boeser now. Gallagher or someone else. Understand? I think most teams who talk Boeser trade, take the same approach.

Thinking you can move Boeser for futures only where the other team takes on the full cap and no contract coming the other way is NHL cap space ignorance

Sure there will probably be a contract coming back. No way in hell it's Gallagher's unless MTL wants to pay through the nose.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

I rather get gonorrhoea than trade Boeser for Gallagher.

Well the whole point is us giving you our gonorrhoea (gallagher)

 

[MXD]

Gallaghers contract isn’t realistically tradable. There is a reason the GM that signed it doesn’t have a NHL job.

Errrhhhmmmm he actually does have a job. But yeah, Gallagher is untradeable due to contract and is obviously a candidate for LTIR.