Proposal: Mtl / Tor

[Qwijibo]

Not really interested in Anderson, that contract isn't going to work with our structure any time soon and he's got a career high of 45 points. He's a decent player, but 5.5m is too much for what he brings. If we were going to try and bring in a 3rd liner who hits and score big goals, we're going to get someone cheaper or better. Scoring big goals and hitting is awesome, and I have no doubt he will continue to torch the Leafs. Wrong contract.

Edmunsen seems like a decent pickup. If we were to go after him, I'd rather it be a Lightning style deal where the Habs retain half and take a decent asset. Wouldn't go too crazy on the value there, but I wouldn't be against him and at 50% he'd be an intriguing asset.

And what would you consider a decent asset? You’re asking Montreal to retain cap for 2 seasons on a top 4 D. You better be offering something much better than Kerfoot or Holl

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

And what would you consider a decent asset? You’re asking Montreal to retain cap for 2 seasons on a top 4 D. You better be offering something much better than Kerfoot or Holl

If Muzzins career is done then there is no need for retention. Also in your opinion edmunson is a top 4 D, who would be a comparable player on another team ?

 

[Gaud]

Mtl:
Alex Kerfoot
Holl
Topi Niemela

Tor:
Edmondson
Anderson

Toronto receives two more physical better players an Mtl gets two quality players plus Topi Niemela. Kerfoot and Holl can be dealt at TDL

I've seen the shoe on the other foot - Mtl fans posting quantity for quality proposals. This is exactly what that is. Though i think Anderson's value has dipped, i think both players have positive value and even more so at the TDL. Considering Chiarot's and Lekhonen's hauls, i think something north of a 1st and a 2nd is probable. I'd rather off those contracts for assets and pick up free agents if needed next summer instead of downgrading the positions and having to hang on to that.

 

[BlueBaron]

I might be mistaken but isn't Edmundson a LD and a left shot?

He's the right kind of player but wrong side If I'm not mistaken. If so it's a bit desperate and better to go for a natural right hand shot who isn't on our most historic rival....

I like Anderson and see the appeal but again we have a natural right winger we really want on LW. I'm not sure we'd commit to his Cap hit until our d situation is settled.

Maybe I'm wrong or the players in question are very flexible but this seems like the right kind of guys in slightly the wrong positions.

I suspect we'll keep Kerfoot for this run because he can fill in for a wide range of players. Holl probably doesn't get moved unless a 2nd d is to be found later.

In all this feels forced and the cost to us is more likely not NHL roster players. It's picks and prospects.

I don't think this works and I'm never eager to trade with the Habs.

 

[Tanknation]

Mtl:
Alex Kerfoot
Holl
Topi Niemela

Tor:
Edmondson
Anderson

Toronto receives two more physical better players an Mtl gets two quality players plus Topi Niemela. Kerfoot and Holl can be dealt at TDL

Habs can easily fetch two 1st's in 2023 ++ in a deep draft for Anderson and Edmundson at trade deadline, in separate trades. Even if they need retain a mill or 2 for Anderson. So, why in the hell would a rebuilding team trade for this trash exactly? I'm waiting....

 

[Tanknation]

Toronto gets better, and the habs get worse.

Present and future.

 

[PromisedLand]

if habs retain 50% on Anderson's contract and pay from their own picks to the 3rd team to retain 50% more I might think about it.....

Leafs get:
Anderson at 1.375
Edmundon at 3.5

TOTAL: 4.875 million IN for Leafs

OUT:
Holl at 2 + Kerfoot at 3.5 = 5.5M OUT (both pending UFAs anyway)

Net Leafs save: 0.6M in cap hit that can be used at the TDL by them to acquire someone else

Habs:
Buy: the picks they can get by flipping Holl and Kerfoot for 2.75 AAV and also gain 2.75 AAV in cap space after dealing Holl and Kerfoot gives habs more room to make more deals to take in some cap dumps with picks


Now I think thats a fair trade

 

[PromisedLand]

Habs can easily fetch two 1st's in 2023 ++ in a deep draft for Anderson and Edmundson at trade deadline, in separate trades. Even if they need retain a mill or 2 for Anderson. So, why in the hell would a rebuilding team trade for this trash exactly? I'm waiting....

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LMAO


first rounders for these two? hahahahaahahahaahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahaahaha

 

[Bouboumaster]

if habs retain 50% on Anderson's contract and pay from their own picks to the 3rd team to retain 50% more I might think about it.....

Leafs get:
Anderson at 1.375
Edmundon at 3.5

TOTAL: 4.875 million IN for Leafs

OUT:
Holl at 2 + Kerfoot at 3.5 = 5.5M OUT (both pending UFAs anyway)

Net Leafs save: 0.6M in cap hit that can be used at the TDL by them to acquire someone else

Habs:
Buy: the picks they can get by flipping Holl and Kerfoot for 2.75 AAV and also gain 2.75 AAV in cap space after dealing Holl and Kerfoot gives habs more room to make more deals to take in some cap dumps with picks


Now I think thats a fair trade

Counter-offer:

Dadonov + Drouin for Matthews

It's about the same cap, and you get out of it next year. You could also flip Dadonov and Drouin for picks

Fair trade.

 

[Qwijibo]

if habs retain 50% on Anderson's contract and pay from their own picks to the 3rd team to retain 50% more I might think about it.....

Leafs get:
Anderson at 1.375
Edmundon at 3.5

TOTAL: 4.875 million IN for Leafs

OUT:
Holl at 2 + Kerfoot at 3.5 = 5.5M OUT (both pending UFAs anyway)

Net Leafs save: 0.6M in cap hit that can be used at the TDL by them to acquire someone else

Habs:
Buy: the picks they can get by flipping Holl and Kerfoot for 2.75 AAV and also gain 2.75 AAV in cap space after dealing Holl and Kerfoot gives habs more room to make more deals to take in some cap dumps with picks


Now I think thats a fair trade

This is satire. Right? No one could possibly suggest this is a good deal for Montreal.

 

[PromisedLand]

Counter-offer:

Dadonov + Drouin for Matthews

It's about the same cap, and you get out of it next year. You could also flip Dadonov and Drouin for picks

Fair trade.

I look at "production" from Matthews and then say LOL and NO

then I look at production from Kerfoot+Holl and their usage and then compare it to Anderson and Edmundson and say that is my final offer. take it or leave it

 

[Qwijibo]

I look at "production" from Matthews and then say LOL and NO

then I look at production from Kerfoot+Holl and their usage and then compare it to Anderson and Edmundson and say that is my final offer. take it or leave it

Leave it. No question.

 

[34]

absolute zero interest in taking on Anderson's boat anchor of a contract.

Hard pass from T.O.

 

[ole ole]

if habs retain 50% on Anderson's contract and pay from their own picks to the 3rd team to retain 50% more I might think about it.....

Leafs get:
Anderson at 1.375
Edmundon at 3.5

TOTAL: 4.875 million IN for Leafs

OUT:
Holl at 2 + Kerfoot at 3.5 = 5.5M OUT (both pending UFAs anyway)

Net Leafs save: 0.6M in cap hit that can be used at the TDL by them to acquire someone else

Habs:
Buy: the picks they can get by flipping Holl and Kerfoot for 2.75 AAV and also gain 2.75 AAV in cap space after dealing Holl and Kerfoot gives habs more room to make more deals to take in some cap dumps with picks


Now I think thats a fair trade

The Hab have no interest in helping the Leafs. Holl outright sucks. Then's there's Kerfoot which we have no use or want. If we decide to trade One or both we will get Assets in return not the garbage in this thread.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I look at "production" from Matthews and then say LOL and NO

then I look at production from Kerfoot+Holl and their usage and then compare it to Anderson and Edmundson and say that is my final offer. take it or leave it

Leave it. No question.

Everything has been said.

Edmunson is a solid defensive defenseman.
Holl is a plug and has a job in the NHL for one reason only: your GM LOVE that dude. On the worst d-corps in Habs long History (the one we have right now), Holl doesn't play. Because he sucks.

Anderson is a "unicorn" type of player, tough as nail and as fast as the wind who can participate in multiple facets of the game.
Kerfoot is a 3rd line c/w that is overpaid

Context matter.
And we both know, PromisedLand, that you know full well that your proposal is stupid AF; you saw both Edmunson and Anderson plenty, Anderson for some reasons pretty much wreck your team everytime Habs/Leafs play against each other.

Your troll game is bad.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't know that Edmonson is the guy Toronto needs

 

[Tanknation]

The equivalent to this is trade is:
Byron
Savard (who is better than Holl)
Norlinder

For
Nylander (50% retained)

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't know that Edmonson is the guy Toronto needs

Leafs certainly don't need a offensive guy who is not good in their own end if that is what you are thinking.

Eddy can play both sides and plays very physical. Clears the net well and forces things to the outside well. He would no doubt in my mind replace Muzzin.

Chychrun is ideal. Effective at both ends and a value contract. However, other teams are also interested and cost to acquire would be an all in type move for the Leafs. After Him, Eddy is a good option but his price to acquire is still not cheap. Not as high as Chychrun but it's not going to be a 2nd rounder and B prospect either.

 

[Tanknation]

I don't know that Edmonson is the guy Toronto needs

Exactly the type of guy Toronto needs. Big stay at home D with great leadership abilities. Perfect playoff guy to have on your team if you ever want to see past the 1st round.
Same goes for Anderson.

These 2 are the type of players Toronto is missing and should be targeting. Knowledgeable Leaf fans should see this by now. Or one would hope that after years of failure from small skilled guys, they would realize they need to go in this direction come playoffs. Unless your goal is to look good during the season alone. Then in that case, keep the status quo again and again and again.

But offering scraps for these 2 will not cut it. So let's get real.

 

[Baksfamous112]

absolute zero interest in taking on Anderson's boat anchor of a contract.

I can understand why. You have enough of those already

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Exactly the type of guy Toronto needs. Big stay at home D with great leadership abilities. Perfect playoff guy to have on your team if you ever want to see past the 1st round.
Same goes for Anderson.

These 2 are the type of players Toronto is missing and should be targeting. Knowledgeable Leaf fans should see this by now. Or one would hope that after years of failure from small skilled guys, they would realize they need to go in this direction come playoffs. Unless your goal is to look good during the season alone. Then in that case, keep the status quo again and again and again.

But offering scraps for these 2 will not cut it. So let's get real.

But Edmonson himself probably isn't the guy

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

The equivalent to this is trade is:
Byron
Savard (who is better than Holl)
Norlinder

For
Nylander (50% retained)

Savard is totally cooked . There isn’t any reasonable combination where Nylander gets dealt to the Habs . Andersons cap is highly prohibitive so to move him any team would need to be properly incentivized . Edmondson stylistically might help but he plays the wrong side .

 

[jfhabs]

Not really interested in Anderson, that contract isn't going to work with our structure any time soon and he's got a career high of 45 points. He's a decent player, but 5.5m is too much for what he brings. If we were going to try and bring in a 3rd liner who hits and score big goals, we're going to get someone cheaper or better. Scoring big goals and hitting is awesome, and I have no doubt he will continue to torch the Leafs. Wrong contract.

Edmunsen seems like a decent pickup. If we were to go after him, I'd rather it be a Lightning style deal where the Habs retain half and take a decent asset. Wouldn't go too crazy on the value there, but I wouldn't be against him and at 50% he'd be an intriguing asset.

What asset donyou realistically have on the table for a better and cheaper power forwards? These player are very rare and normally come at a premium... in this proposal there's nothing really interesting for the Habs. The defense prospect is ok, but he's not above what we currently have.

 

[jfhabs]

if habs retain 50% on Anderson's contract and pay from their own picks to the 3rd team to retain 50% more I might think about it.....

Leafs get:
Anderson at 1.375
Edmundon at 3.5

TOTAL: 4.875 million IN for Leafs

OUT:
Holl at 2 + Kerfoot at 3.5 = 5.5M OUT (both pending UFAs anyway)

Net Leafs save: 0.6M in cap hit that can be used at the TDL by them to acquire someone else

Habs:
Buy: the picks they can get by flipping Holl and Kerfoot for 2.75 AAV and also gain 2.75 AAV in cap space after dealing Holl and Kerfoot gives habs more room to make more deals to take in some cap dumps with picks


Now I think thats a fair trade

What drugs are you on?
Asking for a friend.

 

[junyab]

If it makes us worse this year, yep, I'll take it.