Proposal: Mtl / Tor

[Qwijibo]

What a deal for Montreal. Terrible for Toronto, Anderson has negative value.

Not according to actual hockey people.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Really ? Acquiring a very high end D prospect to add to the young core while also getting out of that horrible Anderson contract.

Leafs also don't do this, yes Holl and Kerfoot suck bad. We're not attaching Niemela to dump him and take on bad contracts.

Don’t think montreals management views Anderson as a deterrent.

 

[jfhabs]

He’s scored 20 exactly once and that was many seasons ago . He’s a good player but he’s overpaid and injury prone . Not a great combo . With retention I could see some value

To be fair he's had one big injury. Other then that nothing major. He's been scoring at a 25g/82 games pace since joining the Habs. I don't think he's injury prone, but probably a bit overpaid like most ufas.

 

[Bouboumaster]

What a deal for Montreal. Terrible for Toronto, Anderson has negative value.

There's one player in that trade that has negative value and it's Justin Holl

Anderson and Edmunson would fetch 1st and Kerfoot doesn't fetch anything since he's overpaid up the ass

 

[Tanknation]

It shouldn’t be . He was bad the last few years In Columbus . He was poor for Tampa . Hasn’t been any better from my Hab viewings . He has more points than usual so I guess that’s something…He certainly isn’t the player he was . It’s additionally not equivalent at all . Overpaid 3rd line and Physical middle pair d is the same as a star forward ? 3rd liner and middle pairing D lol . Nylander is only a star in the minds of a Leaf fan.

It shouldn’t be . He was bad the last few years In Columbus . He was poor for Tampa . Hasn’t been any better from my Hab viewings . He has more points than usual so I guess that’s something…He certainly isn’t the player he was . It’s additionally not equivalent at all . Overpaid 3rd line and Physical middle pair d is the same as a star forward ?

Your takes are all ridiculous. Do you even watch hockey?
Nylander a star? Sure, only in the mind of a Leaf fan. You sir are the reason why most fans can't stomach a Leaf fan. Congrats.

 

[pth2]

What a deal for Montreal. Terrible for Toronto, Anderson has negative value.

You can think the first part all you want, that doesn't make the "negative value" idea even remotely true.

 

[calder candidate]

Mtl:
Alex Kerfoot
Holl
Topi Niemela

Tor:
Edmondson
Anderson

Toronto receives two more physical better players an Mtl gets two quality players plus Topi Niemela. Kerfoot and Holl can be dealt at TDL

Both kerfoot and Holl have zero value for MTL…
I think that Edmondson is the type of D that Toronto need and should target but he still has 1 year on good deal so not sure MTL trade him for less than overpayment…
Considering what other D in that tier have gotten has pure rental with retention (Chiarot/Savard) which was ~1st+3rd+4th
Not sure this package cut it…

Anderson provide MTL with something that no other player can provide not sure he is on the market especially to a division rival unless it is crazy over payment, maybe 2-3 years from now it a different story but not right now.

Niemela is good prospect and had great WJC but if he can’t make the Toronto D, MTL has 4 guy under 22 NHL/AHL that are trending better not sure he move the needle that much.

Why move Holl you are trying to improve you D, even if he isn’t great he is better than half the other guy you have… Also doesn’t really move the needle in MTL the only reason Edmondson might be available is to be able to guy all the young guy more ice time.

Kerfoot is a rental not sure what it bring MTL beside making the money work for Toronto which only benefit Toronto…

The only piece that MTL would value from Toronto would be 1st rd pick and Knies…

To Toronto
Edmundson 50% retain

To MTL
Knies or 1st 2023
Ott 3rd 2023
3rd 2025
Engvall or Kerfoot to balance or save extra cap$

 

[Aashir Mallik]

Holl is as bad as Wideman our number 8th defenceman.

Kerfoot is a 3rd liner center, I prefer Monahan.

Niemela is a good prospect but we have Ghule Harris Mailloux Xhekaj and Barron who are all better and I didn't add Hutson.

We're not gifting a hard hitting 2nd pairing defenceman to Toronto. Anderson would probably be Toronto best winger in the next playoff when you look at how soft this group is.

No thanks OP.

What would the price for Edmundson be?

1st + B prospect?

I’d be interested in adding him depending on the wants of Montreal, I like the way he plays

 

[bert]

Leafs are getting the 2 best players in the deal, what is montreal getting? A number 7 defenseman and a middle 6 forward player a tad overpaid (we already have a ton of these). As good as Robertson might be he remains a very undersized forward, we already have Caufield on the team and Farrell as an equivalent prospect... Niemela would be an on addition being a RHD puck mover, but we could probably do better if we were to move either Anderson or Edmunson as seperate pieces.

There is absolutely no chance that you are getting a Niemela level prospect for Anderson. This is what I am talking about. Anderson doesnt have that type of value teams are paying to get rid of players on contracts like his.

Since when is Edmundson so valueable anyway either? He was traded for a 5th rounder before the cap crunch.

Habs fans are disolusioned about the value of these players. Calgary just gave you a 1st to take Monahan... How does that not register?

What would the price for Edmundson be?

1st + B prospect?

I’d be interested in adding him depending on the wants of Montreal, I like the way he plays

Why would he be worth a 1st?......

 

[Qwijibo]

So literally no one on this thread wants anything to do with this deal. Can we shut this down yet

 

[sansabri]

Why would he be worth a 1st?......

because big dmen who can play in your top 4 tend to

 

[pth2]

because big dmen who can play in your top 4 tend to

In fairness, this is true if he's on an expiring contract, retained 50%, and healthy at the deadline. ie, he isn't worth a 1st under absolutely every possible circumstance, but it's legitimate for Habs fans to think he might fetch one if everything works out, the way it did with Chiarot.

 

[bert]

In fairness, this is true if he's on an expiring contract, retained 50%, and healthy at the deadline. ie, he isn't worth a 1st under absolutely every possible circumstance, but it's legitimate for Habs fans to think he might fetch one if everything works out, the way it did with Chiarot.

How is Edmondson comparable to Chiarot exactly? He has never played top pair minutes on a team to make a deep run.

 

[sansabri]

How is Edmondson comparable to Chiarot exactly? He has never played top pair minutes on a team to make a deep run.

...

he played 23+ minutes a night in our deep run

 

[pth2]

How is Edmondson comparable to Chiarot exactly? He has never played top pair minutes on a team to make a deep run.

He and Petry were a strong pairing when the Habs made the finals. Just as strong as Weber and Chiarot, an argument could be made for either pairing being the top pairing. And they needed to be solid, since the 5th and 6th D were journeymen, rentals, etc. (Gustafasson, Kulak and Merrill, with Romanov only getting into 4 games)

 

[General Fanager]

What a deal for Montreal. Terrible for Toronto, Anderson has negative value.

nonsense....

 

[MXD]

What would the price for Edmundson be?

1st + B prospect?

I’d be interested in adding him depending on the wants of Montreal, I like the way he plays

I don't think Edmundson fetches this much with one year left after this one, even if he's on a pretty good deal.

This said, it wouldn't be the Leafs' worse deal in 2022 (like, far from it), so, what do I know?

 

[lukeleim]

On what planet is Anderson not a cap dump? This deal is awful for the Leafs.

 

[pth2]

On what planet is Anderson not a cap dump? This deal is awful for the Leafs.

The deal being awful for the Leafs and Anderson's being a cap dump are two completely different things.

If you think it's a bad deal for your team, fine.
Anderson still has plenty of value based on most insiders' reports. Maybe, like Petry, it means his value is tied to getting salary back since most teams are cap-constrained, but that's far from being "negative value".

 

[thusk]

Holl is as bad as Wideman our number 8th defenceman.

Kerfoot is a 3rd liner center, I prefer Monahan.

Niemela is a good prospect but we have Ghule Harris Mailloux Xhekaj and Barron who are all better and I didn't add Hutson.

We're not gifting a hard hitting 2nd pairing defenceman to Toronto. Anderson would probably be Toronto best winger in the next playoff when you look at how soft this group is.

No thanks OP.

Holl is closer of savard level than wideman

Just remembered leafs are top 4 team last 3 year ( in expected goal against (15 th this season) playing with holl in their top 4 most of the time and a lot on pk

Wideman is unable to make the team on one of 3 worst team in expected goal against last 3 ( 2nd worst this season)

Anderson playing hard once every 4 game, sure he will make a team harder to play against...

 

[calder candidate]

What would the price for Edmundson be?

1st + B prospect?

I’d be interested in adding him depending on the wants of Montreal, I like the way he plays

Edmundson is the perfect D for Toronto big physical, but doesn’t take bad penalties, very steady, no offense but move the puck effectively, can play lot of minute and play both side, lot of playoff and cup experience. since he has another year left on a pretty good deal for a top 4 D you get 2 playoff.

The issue is that because he has another year the price will be higher, since he will still fetch close too 1st next year and MTL has lot of B prospect with all the pick they have had in recent years and combien with the fact that Toronto don’t really have many prospect and a division rival. I think it is the perfect fit in term of player but the sure they are good trade partner.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Your takes are all ridiculous. Do you even watch hockey?
Nylander a star? Sure, only in the mind of a Leaf fan. You sir are the reason why most fans can't stomach a Leaf fan. Congrats.

You have enough trouble figuring out the reply button let alone hockey takes . Congrats. Nylander is a star , not sure how he’s not unless you’re confusing star with superstar ….so yah ..lol

 

[calder candidate]

There is absolutely no chance that you are getting a Niemela level prospect for Anderson. This is what I am talking about. Anderson doesnt have that type of value teams are paying to get rid of players on contracts like his.

Since when is Edmundson so valueable anyway either? He was traded for a 5th rounder before the cap crunch.

Habs fans are disolusioned about the value of these players. Calgary just gave you a 1st to take Monahan... How does that not register?


Why would he be worth a 1st?......

Edmundson was traded along with bokk and a 7th for Faulk and a 5th… there was a 5th involved, but saying he was traded for a 5th is a bit dishonest… he was traded for 3rd for early negotiations right…

Chiarot / Savard are both D in the same tier (they were old and had less playoff experience) and they aren’t has good defensively even if they might have more offense… they each received 1st\Smilanic\ 4th and 1st\3rd\4th respectively… Kulak fetch a 2nd+

Mtl received a 1st for a Monahan because we took is 6M$ of cap hit and he was suppose to be finish… Lucky for MTL it turn out the new of is demise was great exaggerated.

For Edmondson to also receive a 1st isn’t that delusional with 2 years at 3.5M$ since the team will have him for two playoff this isn’t a cap dump situation…

 

[ranchand]

Edmundson was traded along with bokk and a 7th for Faulk and a 5th… there was a 5th involved, but saying he was traded for a 5th is a bit dishonest… he was traded for 3rd for early negotiations right…

Chiarot / Savard are both D in the same tier (they were old and had less playoff experience) and they aren’t has good defensively even if they might have more offense… they each received 1st\Smilanic\ 4th and 1st\3rd\4th respectively… Kulak fetch a 2nd+

Mtl received a 1st for a Monahan because we took is 6M$ of cap hit and he was suppose to be finish… Lucky for MTL it turn out the new of is demise was great exaggerated.

For Edmondson to also receive a 1st isn’t that delusional with 2 years at 3.5M$ since the team will have him for two playoff this isn’t a cap dump situation…

Absolutely. Edmundson could very well get a 1st especially since it would likely be a late 1st rounder from a serious contender. Especially considering teams like EDM/TOR/LA/DAL likely value a second pairing shutdown d man higher than a prospect who could be 3/4 years off from making an impact.
2nd + B prospect at least.
TOR-Abruzzese
LA-Fagemo
EDM- Savoie

 

[calder candidate]

Absolutely. Edmundson could very well get a 1st especially since it would likely be a late 1st rounder from a serious contender. Especially considering teams like EDM/TOR/LA/DAL likely value a second pairing shutdown d man higher than a prospect who could be 3/4 years off from making an impact.
2nd + B prospect at least.
TOR-Abruzzese
LA-Fagemo
EDM- Savoie

None of these prospect are of any interest to MTL not even sure I would call them B prospect anymore… Edmundson will be acquired for 2 playoff run there no way they trade him for a 2nd + B prospect this TDL when they could get the same if not more at the next TDL…