Proposal: MTL & RANGERS

[bernmeister]

At least Barron is not a head case.

Why are some Habs fans so obsessed with the next Drouin? Several Ranger fans want nothing more than seeing the headache that Kravtsov represents for their GM, shipped out.

He has a better chance of landing elsewhere as Gorton knows all too well what this player is about.

Nobody does anybody favors for free.
Gorton was not gonna pay top dollar. Conventional wisdom -- which was wrong -- was that Drury would cave. Thankfully he hasn't tho that is the least he can do given he created this mess,
Hopefully he will play soon, look good, and we take it from there.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Big no on trading Kidney, at least not for the next Drouin. Kidney’s IQ is through the roof — best to develop him.

I figured a few of us would not trade Kidney. Totally understand that but I would consider it. I'm not very high on Kravtsov but I'm not low either. Possible all of Kidney, Kravtsov, and Struble disappoint.

 

[Mersss]

I figured a few of us would not trade Kidney. Totally understand that but I would consider it. I'm not very high on Kravtsov but I'm not low either. Possible all of Kidney, Kravtsov, and Struble disappoint.

So why trade the younger guy killing it in the Q for a 22YO guy who's just a bit above 0.5PPG in the KHL? No reason to do so. Guy was average in the AHL and shown nothing at the NHL level.

He's worth what similar prospect like him were when traded (Yakupov, Filatov,...), a 2nd rd pick

 

[Dutronc]

2 of Strubble/Tuch/Brooks

Or

If you want a center Ryan Poehling for me is the guy 1v1.

 

[admiralcadillac]

Ylonen is alright but that's essentially a handful of quarters for a $5 bill.

Give up atleast 1 thing of value

I mean you could at least pretend to know who Ylonen is even if I agree that the trade looks dumb.

 

[ottawa]

guess not ,, rangers have 3 more points then Tampa,, sorry my bad

My man, hold this L

 

[ottawa]

So a bunch of crap for a player selected 9th overall and still only 22 years old
Boy how can the Rangers say no?

Kravtsov will never play for the rangers, he simply doesn't want to.

 

[Habs Halifax]

So why trade the younger guy killing it in the Q for a 22YO guy who's just a bit above 0.5PPG in the KHL? No reason to do so. Guy was average in the AHL and shown nothing at the NHL level.

He's worth what similar prospect like him were when traded (Yakupov, Filatov,...), a 2nd rd pick

I'm a little higher on Kravtsov than you and others in the Habs herd fan base. Late 1st rounder value at this stage IMO. 2nd rounder is reaching to some degree. Truth is in the middle ish

 

[Mersss]

I'm a little higher on Kravtsov than you and others in the Habs herd fan base. Late 1st rounder value at this stage IMO. 2nd rounder is reaching to some degree. Truth is in the middle ish

Barron is a much better prospect than him at this point, and you just said your Barron is worth a late 1st rd pick (which I do not fully agree)

 

[n8]

I'm a little higher on Kravtsov than you and others in the Habs herd fan base. Late 1st rounder value at this stage IMO. 2nd rounder is reaching to some degree. Truth is in the middle ish

He's actually scored quite a bit throughout his career. He wasn't given a chance by Quinn last year which is the frustration every Ranger prospect seems to go through. Laf still only gets like 13 min a game (way to develop your highest assets there). Anyways, he's absolutely killing in the KHL playoffs. A lot of Ranger fans still holding out hope he'll come over IF his team ever gets eliminated. They're sort of overachieving this offseason. If Kravtsov can be kept on the taxi squad roster, technically he's not in Hartford so maybe he'll report? If the Rangers aren't resigning Vatrano, they need to try to their best to make VK work in that spot or give the kid a damn chance. I think when he played last year his line mates were line McKegg and Di Giuseppe

 

[danyhabsfan]

I'm a little higher on Kravtsov than you and others in the Habs herd fan base. Late 1st rounder value at this stage IMO. 2nd rounder is reaching to some degree. Truth is in the middle ish

Are you saying Kravtsov value is a late 1st?


His value is closer to a 3rd round pick than to a 1st round pick.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Are you saying Kravtsov value is a late 1st?


His value is closer to a 3rd round pick than to a 1st round pick.

I disagree. He's playing KHL and doing very well in the playoffs. Saying he is a 3rd rounder value is reaching to devalue IMO.

 

[Habs Halifax]

He's actually scored quite a bit throughout his career. He wasn't given a chance by Quinn last year which is the frustration every Ranger prospect seems to go through. Laf still only gets like 13 min a game (way to develop your highest assets there). Anyways, he's absolutely killing in the KHL playoffs. A lot of Ranger fans still holding out hope he'll come over IF his team ever gets eliminated. They're sort of overachieving this offseason. If Kravtsov can be kept on the taxi squad roster, technically he's not in Hartford so maybe he'll report? If the Rangers aren't resigning Vatrano, they need to try to their best to make VK work in that spot or give the kid a damn chance. I think when he played last year his line mates were line McKegg and Di Giuseppe

There is some negative energy being spent on trying to devalue him at this point. Some of it is value but most of it is false and reaching. Not worth top 10 value anymore and I would have him around a late 1st/early 2nd. Could still bust or be a good player. We just don't know but he's got more value than what you see on HF boards.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Barron is a much better prospect than him at this point, and you just said your Barron is worth a late 1st rd pick (which I do not fully agree)

Where did I say Barron is worth a late 1st? I have not brought Barron into this conversation. Barron looks good and is developing well for sure. But Barron has nothing to do with Kravtsov. I don't get this angle

Rewind back. My potential offer is Kidney and Struble. Several Habs fans would say no to that but I would consider it. I'm not as low on Kravtsov as others but I stand firm.

 

[Mersss]

Where did I say Barron is worth a late 1st? I have not brought Barron into this conversation. Barron looks good and is developing well for sure. But Barron has nothing to do with Kravtsov. I don't get this angle

Rewind back. My potential offer is Kidney and Struble. Several Habs fans would say no to that but I would consider it. I'm not as low on Kravtsov as others but I stand firm.

Why trade away a prospect on the same tier level as Kravtsov right now, AND add Struble to that? Makes ZERO sense

A deala round Struble and Krav if Struble doesn't sign? Yeah. Hell no to Kidney he'd go top15-20 in a redraft

 

[Lockin17]

Kidney and Roy are off ths table for sure ,
These 2 guys are on fire atm

Kidney woud have come in late first and Roy mid first if they were in this year Draft.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Kravtsov will never play for the rangers, he simply doesn't want to.

usually that devalues a player if its well known he doesnt want to be there
didnt Fox get a 2nd or something silly?

 

[bernmeister]

Kravtsov will never play for the rangers, he simply doesn't want to.

false assumption
Long term, if Drury is there, if they continue to stupidly give too many vets, esp wrong ones like Strome, Hunt, McKegg slots which deny him mins, sure.
But in the immediate, he wants to come -- just not to be buried on same 4th line bs that was seen in camp; subpar mins, supar linemates.
Best thing for Krav is he gets here, like I said plays meaningful mins top line level guys, crushes it. Then his value is up and whether he stays w/Rangers or is traded, he is in the NHL at approx where he should be.

He's actually scored quite a bit throughout his career. He wasn't given a chance by Quinn last year which is the frustration every Ranger prospect seems to go through. Laf still only gets like 13 min a game (way to develop your highest assets there). Anyways, he's absolutely killing in the KHL playoffs. A lot of Ranger fans still holding out hope he'll come over IF his team ever gets eliminated. They're sort of overachieving this offseason. If Kravtsov can be kept on the taxi squad roster, technically he's not in Hartford so maybe he'll report? If the Rangers aren't resigning Vatrano, they need to try to their best to make VK work in that spot or give the kid a damn chance. I think when he played last year his line mates were line McKegg and Di Giuseppe

1. Is there still an actual 'taxi squad'? If he is on the roster for the playoffs he can play [at least that round, or is it one roster for all p'os?]. He can be attached to the team, not sure about if allowed to practice. Does not, methinks, have to go to Hartford.

2. They need to resign Vatrano and if he gives us a low #, Copp
Strome + Geo + Hajek + Nemeth will go, get back 1.5 Hank buyout = Fox+Zib $$
Lindgren for picks replaced by elc Robertson saves most of 3m.
Jones for a pick is another close to a mil
Cap went up 1m
No Motte, McKegg, Hunt and a couple others
Reaves retires [for now] promoted to front office = a shade under 2
that ^ gives some scratch and there are too many mouths to feed
howev, younger players see Trouba will go 2 seasons more at most, and shortly after Panarin. Those 2 are nearly 20mil. This is a great winning team, $$ will come, take a bridge --- we hope.

3. Kid should have gotten the chance he deserved at sq1.

 

[Gillings]

Ylonen is alright but that's essentially a handful of quarters for a $5 bill.

Give up atleast 1 thing of value

Change one of the 22s for a 23 and there you go

 

[Miller Time]

Where did I say Barron is worth a late 1st? I have not brought Barron into this conversation. Barron looks good and is developing well for sure. But Barron has nothing to do with Kravtsov. I don't get this angle

Rewind back. My potential offer is Kidney and Struble. Several Habs fans would say no to that but I would consider it. I'm not as low on Kravtsov as others but I stand firm.

Fair enough to be higher than most on Kravtsov, but you also seem to be lower on kidney...

Imo, if Krav can be had at mid 2nd pick value, worth a roll of the dice. Anything more than that? No thanks, too many flags.

Kidney, on the other hand, has only increased his value... late 1st, maybe more...

Strubble on his own, or strubble & some lesser asset... more than that, pass.

 

[n8]

false assumption
Long term, if Drury is there, if they continue to stupidly give too many vets, esp wrong ones like Strome, Hunt, McKegg slots which deny him mins, sure.
But in the immediate, he wants to come -- just not to be buried on same 4th line bs that was seen in camp; subpar mins, supar linemates.
Best thing for Krav is he gets here, like I said plays meaningful mins top line level guys, crushes it. Then his value is up and whether he stays w/Rangers or is traded, he is in the NHL at approx where he should be.


1. Is there still an actual 'taxi squad'? If he is on the roster for the playoffs he can play [at least that round, or is it one roster for all p'os?]. He can be attached to the team, not sure about if allowed to practice. Does not, methinks, have to go to Hartford.

2. They need to resign Vatrano and if he gives us a low #, Copp
Strome + Geo + Hajek + Nemeth will go, get back 1.5 Hank buyout = Fox+Zib $$
Lindgren for picks replaced by elc Robertson saves most of 3m.
Jones for a pick is another close to a mil
Cap went up 1m
No Motte, McKegg, Hunt and a couple others
Reaves retires [for now] promoted to front office = a shade under 2
that ^ gives some scratch and there are too many mouths to feed
howev, younger players see Trouba will go 2 seasons more at most, and shortly after Panarin. Those 2 are nearly 20mil. This is a great winning team, $$ will come, take a bridge --- we hope.

3. Kid should have gotten the chance he deserved at sq1.

black aces? I just don't see why he'd have a change of heart and go to HFD after all the drama he caused. If he does, that'd be great. All this trade talk ought to go away if he reports.

 

[n8]

There is some negative energy being spent on trying to devalue him at this point. Some of it is value but most of it is false and reaching. Not worth top 10 value anymore and I would have him around a late 1st/early 2nd. Could still bust or be a good player. We just don't know but he's got more value than what you see on HF boards.

Kravtsov still has Pavel Buchnevich upside IMO. 15-20 goals in the NHL if he gets decent ice time is pretty reachable. Will probably take him 5 regular seasons in the NHL to develop into a 25-30 goal player. I feel like his downside is like Namestnikov. Capable of capitalizing ice time with elite centers but marginal if given regular linemates.

 

[Mergatroidskittle]

Like Kratsov still has any value?

Even if he doesn’t don’t be ignorant and try and call someone out for not being knowledgeable when you in fact haven’t done your research? There that’s simple right?

 

[Mersss]

false assumption
Long term, if Drury is there, if they continue to stupidly give too many vets, esp wrong ones like Strome, Hunt, McKegg slots which deny him mins, sure.
But in the immediate, he wants to come -- just not to be buried on same 4th line bs that was seen in camp; subpar mins, supar linemates.
Best thing for Krav is he gets here, like I said plays meaningful mins top line level guys, crushes it. Then his value is up and whether he stays w/Rangers or is traded, he is in the NHL at approx where he should be.


1. Is there still an actual 'taxi squad'? If he is on the roster for the playoffs he can play [at least that round, or is it one roster for all p'os?]. He can be attached to the team, not sure about if allowed to practice. Does not, methinks, have to go to Hartford.

2. They need to resign Vatrano and if he gives us a low #, Copp
Strome + Geo + Hajek + Nemeth will go, get back 1.5 Hank buyout = Fox+Zib $$
Lindgren for picks replaced by elc Robertson saves most of 3m.
Jones for a pick is another close to a mil
Cap went up 1m
No Motte, McKegg, Hunt and a couple others
Reaves retires [for now] promoted to front office = a shade under 2
that ^ gives some scratch and there are too many mouths to feed
howev, younger players see Trouba will go 2 seasons more at most, and shortly after Panarin. Those 2 are nearly 20mil. This is a great winning team, $$ will come, take a bridge --- we hope.

3. Kid should have gotten the chance he deserved at sq1.

You live in fantasy land

no Gm is taking Hajek and Nemeth same for Lindgren, Overpaid bottom pairing D's aren't what GMs are looking for

No one is touching Trouba @ 8M$ when he,s a 5/6M$ dman at best either
Reaves won't retire just to help the Rangers either

 

[bernmeister]

black aces? I just don't see why he'd have a change of heart and go to HFD after all the drama he caused. If he does, that'd be great. All this trade talk ought to go away if he reports.

forgot about black aces, if that applies,
Just to be clear I am NOT saying he would or should go to the A.
I am saying everyone has a vested interest in him playing w/Rangers asap, so he'd def report for that, I'd expect. I specify that to contradict the notions he'd prefer to go to KHL. McKegg, Hunt + Strome out, Copp, Vatrano + Krav in.