Proposal: MTL & RANGERS

[Matt Rentfree]

Is it fair to say Kravtsov's value is around where Lias Andersson's was when the Rags moved him? (2nd round pick)

That's about what I'd expect back if the Rangers moved him right now. He has a much higher ceiling than Lias, but given the circumstances, I think expecting anything more in return is a pipe dream.

 

[5cotland]

Yloven is playing in the NHL, Kravtsov ain't.

Yloven has 4pts in 10 NHL games, Kravtsov has 4 in 20.

They are the same age, one is October 99 birthday the other is a December 99 birthday.

I get the pedigree and the offensive potential and all that but Kravtsov isn't a solution for the Habs (he won't be good enough offensively) and Yloven plays a more complete game.

One for one, id take Kravtsov. If you keep adding to that Habs should keep their asset.

Logic is not a strength of yours I see

 

[5cotland]

Is it fair to say Kravtsov's value is around where Lias Andersson's was when the Rags moved him? (2nd round pick)

Yeeeaaa, No!

Kravtsov is a much better player with a much higher ceiling who has actually performed well in a much higher league at the same age.

Andersson was a lost cause from early on. Kravtsov has a lot more to offer.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Absolutely higher than Andersson’s was. Kravtsov is playing very well in the second best league in the world still.

I dont blame him for him rather going back to the KHL and play there instead of riding a bus in that dump Hartford in front of the 18 fans that show up.

I think most people felt the Andersson return was a pretty good for the Rangers. Like a premium to salvage that given the situation & his projected upside. He got the 60th pick. Kravtsov does have more upside for sure, but teams know he's in limbo w/ the Rags & wants out.

Maybe max a late 1st or high 2nd, but I don't see much higher than that given he hasn't shown much in the NHL.

Sven Baertschi was a highly touted prospect in this situation - with more NHL experience - and he was delt for a mid 2nd. That seems like the bar for this type of situation, unless a team really likes the player & overpays with multiple picks (like Brett Connolly going to Boston - two 2nds).

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Yeeeaaa, No!

Kravtsov is a much better player with a much higher ceiling who has actually performed well in a much higher league at the same age.

Andersson was a lost cause from early on. Kravtsov has a lot more to offer.

I think most people felt the Andersson return was a pretty good for the Rangers. Like a premium to salvage that given the situation & his projected upside. He got the 60th pick. Kravtsov does have more upside for sure, but teams know he's in limbo w/ the Rags & wants out.

Maybe max a late 1st or high 2nd, but I don't see much higher than that given he hasn't shown much in the NHL.

Sven Baertschi was a highly touted prospect in this situation - with more NHL experience - and he was delt for a mid 2nd. That seems like the bar for this type of situation, unless a team really likes the player & overpays with multiple picks (like Brett Connolly going to Boston).

 

[TGWL]

Is it fair to say Kravtsov's value is around where Lias Andersson's was when the Rags moved him? (2nd round pick)

No. Probably not. Kravtsov is more talented in nearly every area. The value drop on him is more "will he play?". He went over to the KHL and like always, produces well in the playoffs. He's much a much better player and seems to come up big in post season games for them. I think his value is higher but whether NYR gets better value or not remains to be seen.

 

[Captain Mountain]

Montreal reportedly doesn't have interest in Kravstov. I personally don't either.

Especially with Ylonen's consistent development and the risks associated with Kravstov.

 

[cwede]

Yloven is playing in the NHL, Kravtsov ain't.
Yloven has 4pts in 10 NHL games, Kravtsov has 4 in 20.
They are the same age, one is October 99 birthday the other is a December 99 birthday.
I get the pedigree and the offensive potential and all that but Kravtsov isn't a solution for the Habs (he won't be good enough offensively) and Yloven plays a more complete game.
One for one, id take Kravtsov. If you keep adding to that Habs should keep their asset.

NYR not looking for a lateral play like Ylonen, would look for younger/later-RFA|waivers asset, or a center

NYR's smartest move will be keeping Krav and working it out, he is talented . powerful, and clutch

I don't buy some of your points
- if you think Krav 'won't be good enough offensively' it seems you don't know enough about what you're buying,
- also the 'more complete game' comment strikes me as guessing, in his few NHL games last season, Krav showed aggressive backcheck and enthusiastic 2-way game
- undervaluing Krav's KHL tenure against Ylonen's AHL tenure also seems subjective to me

but i respect your position
if more/other than Ylonen is too much, then both teams move on, no harm, no foul

 

[pld459666]

MTL : Ylonen + 3rd 2022 (carolina) + 4th rd 2022 (rangers) + 7th 2022 (Blues)
for
Rangers : Kravtsov

pass

 

[Legend123]

Damn the disrespect on Ylonen is insane. He's been better than Kravtsov at every level in NA by a good margin, more consistent and non-dramatic, never complaining like an entitled teenager (sorry but kravtsov's complaints are well documented at this point).

I would believe NHL GMs would value Ylonen more even despite the lower potential. Ylonen has 2nd or at least 3rd line talent. We'll keep him esp if we have to add a bunch of picks.

 

[bernmeister]

MTL : Ylonen + 3rd 2022 (carolina) + 4th rd 2022 (rangers) + 7th 2022 (Blues)
for
Rangers : Kravtsov

huge no. Krav worth way more has visible potential and actual ability.
You want that talent, gotta pay.

I don’t think there is any possibility this is the best offer NYR would receive.

Concur. Krav commands more and will command even more after he does play for nyr w/top line and produces, demonstrating/updating/upgrading his value.

Is it fair to say Kravtsov's value is around where Lias Andersson's was when the Rags moved him? (2nd round pick)

No. Lias was a disaster of a pick, a no good, no talent bum who had every opportunity w/ny top players handed to him, but he couldn't cut the mustard. I mean beyond epic fail. Pitiful. Glad we got Cuylie for him, even tho was complete waste of 7OA.

Krav is dif, totally dif.
Rangers mismanaged their roster, and they told this kid to bend over and take one for the team. He said, I don't think so. Good for him.
Drury should have dealt the overrated Strome from last year if not earlier, and Strome's mins would have gone to Chytil, Barron and Krav.
Now I want Drury to capitulate, and if he is not man enuf to admit he was wrong, at least correct his mistake, play Krav meaningful mins w/top Fs on 1st line, and use or recover Krav at full value.

Absolutely higher than Andersson’s was. Kravtsov is playing very well in the second best league in the world still.

I dont blame him for him rather going back to the KHL and play there instead of riding a bus in that dump Hartford in front of the 18 fans that show up.

Agree w/this, except not wanting to go to minor league dump is not a valid reason to turn down the assignment. Not wanting to go b'c you're being shafted is valid.

That's about what I'd expect back if the Rangers moved him right now. He has a much higher ceiling than Lias, but given the circumstances, I think expecting anything more in return is a pipe dream.

Disagree. It does not take a lot of imagination to realize:
1. NY controls Krav being able to return and play meaningful mins w/correct linemmates.
2. Doing this way ups and resets his value.
3. NY should not be so effin cavalier and allow 9OA value to go for bupkis.
4. Drury should not be allowed to go there b'c of his ego.

Yeeeaaa, No!

Kravtsov is a much better player with a much higher ceiling who has actually performed well in a much higher league at the same age.

Andersson was a lost cause from early on. Kravtsov has a lot more to offer.

Correctimundo

 

[Just Linda]

Logic is not a strength of yours I see

What a productive comment.

 

[5cotland]

Damn the disrespect on Ylonen is insane. He's been better than Kravtsov at every level in NA by a good margin, more consistent and non-dramatic, never complaining like an entitled teenager (sorry but kravtsov's complaints are well documented at this point).

I would believe NHL GMs would value Ylonen more even despite the lower potential. Ylonen has 2nd or at least 3rd line talent. We'll keep him esp if we have to add a bunch of picks.

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[Sergei Shirokov]

No. Probably not. Kravtsov is more talented in nearly every area. The value drop on him is more "will he play?". He went over to the KHL and like always, produces well in the playoffs. He's much a much better player and seems to come up big in post season games for them. I think his value is higher but whether NYR gets better value or not remains to be seen.

No. Lias was a disaster of a pick, a no good, no talent bum who had every opportunity w/ny top players handed to him, but he couldn't cut the mustard. I mean beyond epic fail. Pitiful. Glad we got Cuylie for him, even tho was complete waste of 7OA.

Krav is dif, totally dif.
Rangers mismanaged their roster, and they told this kid to bend over and take one for the team. He said, I don't think so. Good for him.
Drury should have dealt the overrated Strome from last year if not earlier, and Strome's mins would have gone to Chytil, Barron and Krav.
Now I want Drury to capitulate, and if he is not man enuf to admit he was wrong, at least correct his mistake, play Krav meaningful mins w/top Fs on 1st line, and use or recover Krav at full value.

I responded to a few others but its historically the bar. Andersson was probably lucky to fetch that return even, but him aside Baertschi is another example (mid 2nd). Curtis Lazar is another one, got a 2nd & a depth D. Mirco Mueller got a 2nd. Tony DeAngelo went from TB to ARZ for a 2nd. exc. Its just a similar trend historically.

You don't see touted prospects in this situation command a premium. Nothing against Kravtsov.

The best return I brought up is Brett Connolly (two 2nd's) but the Bruins wanted him specifically & overpaid. Sam Bennett also got two 2nd's but he had more pedigree/track record.

 

[Asif10]

you want a team to pay for a potential thats not guaranteed, it doesn't work that way.

He's 22, yet to prove anything in the NHL. He's worth at most a 2nd.

The originaly offer is more than fair and im sure your GM would take it.

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

MTL : Ylonen + 3rd 2022 (carolina) + 4th rd 2022 (rangers) + 7th 2022 (Blues)
for
Rangers : Kravtsov

not enough for Kravtsov.

 

[Legend123]

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prove me otherwise

 

[Just Linda]

prove me otherwise

He can't. Hes dismissing the notion that Kravtsov is anything less than a superstar and every other prospect sucks by comparison. He's homering for a prospect (who is a good prospect) hard and ignoring the reality of what's going on to fit his head narrative.

 

[5cotland]

prove me otherwise

The fact Kravtsov is performing in KHL at a better rate to what Ylonen is in AHL

.....and dont say he is an NHL'r because 9 games in 6m doesnt make him an NHL'r

 

[5cotland]

He can't. Hes dismissing the notion that Kravtsov is anything less than a superstar and every other prospect sucks by comparison. He's homering for a prospect (who is a good prospect) hard and ignoring the reality of what's going on to fit his head narrative.

Interesting way to explain a false narrative

 

[Captain Mountain]

The fact Kravtsov is performing in KHL at a better rate to what Ylonen is in AHL.

Ylonen is performing in the NHL at a better rate than what Kravstov has ever done there.

But that's not the big issue. The issue is that Kravstov isn't playing in NA, we have no idea if he'll play in North America anytime soon and he'll have to clear waivers next season (compared to Ylonen who is exempt next season).

It doesn't make sense for Montreal to trade Ylonen for Kravstov straight up, let alone add.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

The originaly offer is more than fair and im sure your GM would take it.

If he could have been had for that crap offer, he'd already have been traded.

 

[Lays]

NYR say no, Kravtsov’s playoff/tournament performances lead me to believe there is an elite talent there. Seriously he set a KHL points record already as an 18 year old in the playoffs. He’s having another spectacular performance this season. I’ve been maintaining that a 2nd (reported price) is way too low to move Vitaly. Kid has game breaking talent. He’s not a Jack McBain or Lias Andersson that you just give away for a top 32-64 pick

 

[EK392000]

Ylonen is alright but that's essentially a handful of quarters for a $5 bill.

Give up atleast 1 thing of value

I can hold 20 quarters in one hand

 

[bernmeister]

NYR not looking for a lateral play like Ylonen, would look for younger/later-RFA|waivers asset, or a center

NYR's smartest move will be keeping Krav and working it out, he is talented . powerful, and clutch

I don't buy some of your points
- if you think Krav 'won't be good enough offensively' it seems you don't know enough about what you're buying,
- also the 'more complete game' comment strikes me as guessing, in his few NHL games last season, Krav showed aggressive backcheck and enthusiastic 2-way game
- undervaluing Krav's KHL tenure against Ylonen's AHL tenure also seems subjective to me

but i respect your position
if more/other than Ylonen is too much, then both teams move on, no harm, no foul

As usual, generally spot on

I responded to a few others but its historically the bar. Andersson was probably lucky to fetch that return even, but him aside Baertschi is another example (mid 2nd). Curtis Lazar is another one, got a 2nd & a depth D. Mirco Mueller got a 2nd. Tony DeAngelo went from TB to ARZ for a 2nd. exc. Its just a similar trend historically.

You don't see touted prospects in this situation command a premium. Nothing against Kravtsov.

The best return I brought up is Brett Connolly (two 2nd's) but the Bruins wanted him specifically & overpaid. Sam Bennett also got two 2nd's but he had more pedigree/track record.

The clarification of the bold is appreciated, but it does not change the fact that Krav and Lias are 2 entirely different items. Krav is the real deal, and he was a smart pick; this other sideshow is unfortunate NYR mgmt shooting itself and us in the foot in what can only be viewed as an exercise in stupidity. Lias is the opposite of the real deal, a total fraud. NY should have selected better or traded the pick for a profit. Remember a poster asked specifically as to Krav v Lias.

He can't. Hes dismissing the notion that Kravtsov is anything less than a superstar and every other prospect sucks by comparison. He's homering for a prospect (who is a good prospect) hard and ignoring the reality of what's going on to fit his head narrative.

Let's keep it polite. We all have subjective opinions here. Occasionally, circumstances allow some of us to bring out objective facts from time to time.
Whatev someone's opinion of Krav is, bottom line is, factually, smartest move for Rangers [other than not making this effed up error at sq 1], is to play him meaningful mins w/top talent and prove he is what his advocates claim. No superficial subjective claims for or against is gonna change that.