Confirmed Trade: [MTL/NSH] PK Subban for Shea Weber - Pt. 2

[VanJack]

Lol...Jim Benning did the Habs a huge favor by jumping the gun on the Subban trade rumors and got fined for it....and with the entire NHL knowing that Subban was on the block, this is the best Bergevin could do?....let's face it, there's no way the Habs were swallowing PK's no-trade and no movement contract when it cut in on July 1st....but who trades for a 31-year old d-man with as much mileage as Weber, and with a 10 year contact to boot?...he'll be getting paid almost as long as Luongo.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

There are plenty of DEFENSEMEN better the PK. The word defense being in there alone proves that. He's a top 5 scoring D yes but actual defense no.

...funny how the advanced stats actually show Subban to be one of the better defensive (shot supressing, goal supressing) defensemen in the League and one of the best on the Penalty Kill in those stats...and still one of the best in the offensive categories as well...it's almost as if...he's one of the best defensemen in the entire League...wow, funny that...

 

[canucks10]

Weber has gone way under the radar because he is Nashville or a lot of people only follow one or 2 teams. I'd have him on my team over Subban every day and twice on sundays. Yes the contract is something else but there always seems to be a way around that. And 30 is not old guys, esp for a dman. Come on.

Everything Subban does is a distraction to the team. Wether his intentions are good are not, the guy is just an attention monger. From the clothes to his on ice flailing, even the 10$ mil donation was a big attention grab. He could have just as well donated privately and not made a big deal about it but it was just as much about him as the Charity. Who knows what actually goes on in the locker room but I wouldn't be surprised if his presence alone rubbed guys the wrong way. Drama Queen. Might work in Southern US where Bettman wants all the attention he can get for the NHL.

So your saying that Subban donated 10 million dollars to charity, just for attention?

 

[Palmer2Fitz]

Lol...Jim Benning did the Habs a huge favor by jumping the gun on the Subban trade rumors and got fined for it....and with the entire NHL knowing that Subban was on the block, this is the best Bergevin could do?....let's face it, there's no way the Habs were swallowing PK's no-trade and no movement contract when it cut in on July 1st....but who trades for a 31-year old d-man with as much mileage as Weber, and with a 10 year contact to boot?...he'll be getting paid almost as long as Luongo.

Yea I'm still trying to wrap my head around what Montreal was thinking. Weber is a darn good dman but Nashville clearly wins this trade when all accounts are take into aspect. Real head scratcher.

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

So your saying that Subban donated 10 million dollars to charity, just for attention?

...as a Habs fan, not surprising; Subban haters will make up just about anything...seen it 1000 times...unfortunately mostly with RDS/TVA Franco media (supposedly Montreal's "true core" fanbase, if you want to believe their vitrol)...

 

[Bleedred]

Don't like this deal much for Montreal. Weber is signed to for like another decade and literally into his 40's. PK is signed until he's like 2 years older than what Weber is now.

If Weber wasn't signed for another thousand years, I think this would make perfect sense. But the term on his deal is too long. He's still amazing, although he seems like he'll decline faster and at a younger age than PK will.

Why do Bergevin and Therrien hate PK so much?

 

[Extra Texture]

They aren't forced to protect him. He doesn't have a NMC (or a NTC) so Habs aren't forced to protect him if they choose so.

I guess they always have the option but it would be terrible asset management if they didn't

 

[Acallabeth]

I first thought it was a joke. Hard to understand from the Habs POV.

 

[Syckle78]

Literally the worst trade in NHL history for Montreal. Personally would not take Weber even for no assets.

Ever heard of Roy or Chelios? Yea,those were worse. Welcome to hockey,though!

 

[habs03]

A few things to note that people might know. Weber contract was very front loaded.

Weber makes 1M per year for the last 3 years of the deal. He is unlikely to play that and only 3M in year 7.

So that 10 year deal is really a 7 year deal.

Mtl gets no cap penatly if he retires early (Nashville is screwed big time if he does).

Also Weber is 6'4 230 that is going to a easier eastern conference and he doesn't just rely on his strength to play, guy has a high hockey IQ to think the game. The contract is a none issue from a Mtl point of view.

 

[ijuka]

24mil, huh.

If he retires precisely before the final year of the contract, the entire Predators lineup will be messed up and they will probably take years to recover.

 

[JS91]

Holy ****ing ****, what the HELL happened last night? The one day I decide to get a good night's sleep and go to bed early I wake up to 2 of the most random trades I've ever seen and Stamkos resigning with us? What?

On topic though, I do NOT understand Bergevin's logic behind this trade. Subban is younger, about to enter his prime and already just as good as Weber is while Weber is older, on his way down and might even be worse than Subban as soon as next season. This is just a baffling trade to me.

 

[David71]

biggest news of the day. when marc bergevin flatout said subban was avaliable. then benning gets fined for "tampering" anywho. mtl lost this trade. in the long run. what if weber retires in a few years. his contract still counts against mtls salary cap structure doesnt it? front loaded and whatnot. was there any truth to subban being a "lockerroom distraction?" im sure coach therrien probably didn't like him.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I wonder if an unopened can of tuna and a Karl Dykhuis rookie card could return Carey Price...

 

[Marksman]

This was clearly personal with the Habs and PK. MB waited to long or asked for too much from Oilers and then panicked and took Weber before PK's no trade kicked in. Sadly MB could have gotten a much better package from Oilers probably Hall and the 4th or Hall and Draisaitl. Oh well Weber is still a stud so even though I wouldn't have traded PK for Weber it's not the end of the Habs now either.

Yeah, not a hockey tradel, despite Bergevin claiming that.

I guess Subban and his ego was getting too big for the team. Changing one player is easier than ripping up half a team, with possibly including some other cornerstones.

Personally I would have rather had Hall for Subban straight up, then added Demers to fill in top 4. But of course its easy to say from here...

 

[habs03]

Been a fan for a while, never been this sad in my life over sports.

This beyond a hockey trade for a lot for Mtl fans. I think as fans in general you love your team, and always feel like no one else loves them as much. Specially the players, Subban is the only player that I felt like loved my team as my as I did.

As sad as I am and it's going to take me a while to get over it.

Some people are seriously underrating Weber, while advance stats and anayaltics are important, they don't always tell the whole story.

I mean Subban has been in directly competition with Weber for RD spot for team canada for the past 2 years and Weber has clearly come out ahead. And those decision were made by..

Stevie Y
Mike Babcock
Joel Quennville
Claude Julien
Lindy Ruff
ken Hitchcock
Doug Armstrong
Barry Trotz

 

[swissexpert]

I live in Europe and woke up to this. Someone please tell me this is a joke, right? WTF are the Habs doing?

I live in Europe too but it was 11pm so I got the news yesterday.
Then I had a realistic dream making me believe that I only made these two trades up for myself.
Woke up to hear it again, double shocker.

 

[ohmyjlord]

biggest news of the day. when marc bergevin flatout said subban was avaliable. then benning gets fined for "tampering" anywho. mtl lost this trade. in the long run. what if weber retires in a few years. his contract still counts against mtls salary cap structure doesnt it? front loaded and whatnot. was there any truth to subban being a "lockerroom distraction?" im sure coach therrien probably didn't like him.

Actually no...

"If Weber retires before contract ends, #Preds will be charged on the cap $24,571,432 divided by years remaining in recapture penalties."

- Pierre Lebrun's twitter.

Edit: Here's an article on the subject...LINK

 

[David71]

Actually no...

"If Weber retires before contract ends, #Preds will be charged on the cap $24,571,432 divided by years remaining in recapture penalties."

- Pierre Lebrun's twitter.

Edit: Here's an article on the subject...LINK

Oh good news for mtl bad for nashville.

 

[brock0791]

Not to throw around heresay but this has to be a slept with a player's wife situation right? How else does Subban not get nominated for the foundation or king clancy awards?

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

So your saying that Subban donated 10 million dollars to charity, just for attention?

Sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? How can someone find a way to slander a guy who helped raise 10M for charity? The hate runs deep for some.

 

[Jigger77]

A few things to note that people might know. Weber contract was very front loaded.

Weber makes 1M per year for the last 3 years of the deal. He is unlikely to play that and only 3M in year 7.

So that 10 year deal is really a 7 year deal.

Mtl gets no cap penatly if he retires early (Nashville is screwed big time if he does).

Also Weber is 6'4 230 that is going to a easier eastern conference and he doesn't just rely on his strength to play, guy has a high hockey IQ to think the game. The contract is a none issue from a Mtl point of view.

Good to know. Thanks.

 

[Murky]

I have the same feeling than the day Patrick Roy was traded.

If you by chance meant that you are as ecstatic as you were at the day Roy was traded, then sorry my mistake. But..

Were you at the Forum in the game when we all cheered for him making the one stop? When he stormed to Corey to demand a trade? I was. It is so fashionable to conveniently forget, like so many other things in the history. People like to think it was all Tremblay and Corey and we the great fans just knew it was a terrible trade. All total BS. We had been drumming for the bum to be traded for weeks.

That said I don't like this trade, and I like Weber. Maybe hopefully he will rebound as he is the clear #1 again.

 

[ohmyjlord]

Holy ****ing ****, what the HELL happened last night? The one day I decide to get a good night's sleep and go to bed early I wake up to 2 of the most random trades I've ever seen and Stamkos resigning with us? What?

On topic though, I do NOT understand Bergevin's logic behind this trade. Subban is younger, about to enter his prime and already just as good as Weber is while Weber is older, on his way down and might even be worse than Subban as soon as next season. This is just a baffling trade to me.

One thing to consider though...Weber will now play east, which I think could be beneficial for him. I can't say the same about Subban playing west. Don't me wrong, Subban will most probably thrive in Nashville, especially playing alongside Josi. But playing west surely isn't an advantage for Subban over his previous situation.

I'd be curious to see some stats in fact if those are available somewhere: Weber and Subban production and effectiveness vs East and vs West.

Subban can get a huge motivation boost when things become more physical...but that boost sometimes takes him off his game, trying to do too much. It'll be interesting to see (not saying he'll fail) how both of them will react playing in the other conference.

 

[dredeye]

So your saying that Subban donated 10 million dollars to charity, just for attention?

That hasn't happened yet and he's fundraising the money. Not as generous a move as was stated