Confirmed Trade: [MTL/NSH] P.K. Subban for Shea Weber - Part III

[nhlfan9191]

Weber is not a ''true 1D''

A true one D can get the puck out of his own zone.

Surely this post is a joke? Even if Weber has slowed down a bit, he's still one of the best defensive dman in the game.

 

[Le Tricolore]

''Once the Habs see what they have in Jocelyn Thibault, they'll all forget about Patrick Roy''

- Someone in 1995


Not to mention, Patrick Roy was such a distraction too. This is a guy who only thought about himself, and not his team.

I can't wait to see the Habs get the puck out of their zone. Can't wait. Weber can score goals from the point and has a wicked shot, only problem? Need to get in the Ozone. Good luck. Weber had Josi carry the puck for him in the last few years, now who will be able to do that for him in Montreal? No one.

A) No one in 1995 thought Thibault would ever be better than Roy.
B) Weber and Subban are two of the best d-men in the league. A lot of people here say Weber is better. A lot say Subban is better.

I forget what point I wanted to make here, but your posts in this thread are awfully silly.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Still can't believe Montreal did this they are slowly being destroyed

 

[Adam Michaels]

Still can't believe Montreal did this they are slowly being destroyed

Quite the opposite.

 

[braindead]

Have any of the Weber smashers on here ever freakin seen him play regularly? Not a 1D? Can't make a breakout pass?

He's a rock. He makes great plays. Guess what: He frequently gives the puck to Josi because it's the best play. Trust me, he will be excellent as your 1D.

 

[herzausstein]

Have any of the Weber smashers on here ever freakin seen him play regularly? Not a 1D? Can't make a breakout pass?

He's a rock. He makes great plays. Guess what: He frequently gives the puck to Josi because it's the best play. Trust me, he will be excellent as your 1D.

Yep. Weber still have a few really good years left in him. While he isn't the best at carrying the puck, he is pretty good at passing. Who is MTL going to pair him with? He really does need a puckmover to get the best out of him. Weber's downfall is that his caphit will be bad in 4-5 years

 

[LeafingTheWay]

Surely this post is a joke? Even if Weber has slowed down a bit, he's still one of the best defensive dman in the game.

I really disagree with your statement there.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Weber in Montreal: washed up and no longer a top pairing dman
Weber in Nashville: No 1 dman
Subban in Montreal: overrated PP specialist
Subban in Nashville: Top 5 dman in entire league

 

[ohmyjlord]

Weber in Montreal: washed up and no longer a top pairing dman
Weber in Nashville: No 1 dman
Subban in Montreal: overrated PP specialist
Subban in Nashville: Top 5 dman in entire league

This.

Before the Subban, almost everyone in Montreal would've put Weber in their top-10, even top-5 if not top-3. Now we get him, and suddenly...he's 31, and clearly over the hill. Can't make a pass to save his life, and has the mobility of a rock. And did you see that game 7 ?!? What a disgrace.

Geeezz...

 

[Adam Michaels]

This.

Before the Subban, almost everyone in Montreal would've put Weber in their top-10, even top-5 if not top-3. Now we get him, and suddenly...he's 31, and clearly over the hill. Can't make a pass to save his life, and has the mobility of a rock. And did you see that game 7 ?!? What a disgrace.

Geeezz...

I was over the trade an hour or two after it was announced. I wasn't even upset. I was just shocked MB pulled the trigger on it (loved that he had the balls to make one). But seeing that we got Weber in return, I was real quick to get excited. And still am.

Off the bat, everyone used his age, his final two games in last year's playoffs, and his advanced stats to tear down who the Habs got in return. It is the most annoying argument.

If at 31, Weber is supposedly declining, then Subban has three good years ahead of him before he starts to decline.

When Subban was left off of Team Canada, everyone was arguing how Jake Muzzin was on there and not PK. Not one soul in the world (Habs fan or not) argued how PK was left off the team and Weber made the cut. Now because Subban was traded for Weber, many Subannatics have argued that Team Canada is a country club full of the same group of guys choosing the same line-up over and over.

Personally, Subban can win another two or three Norris Trophies for all I care. If the Habs are in the Stanley Cup Finals or end up winning it, I'll be happy for PK, but I'll be elated for the Canadiens.

 

[Wats]

Quite the opposite.

Quickly being destroyed.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Quite the opposite.

PK for Weber is a bad deal and I LOVE Weber but he is significantly older and even if he is better today the two t last long what another year? MAYBE 2?

 

[Aspirine]

PK is better than Weber in every facet of the game (YES defensively too). He used to be trash because it's hip to hate the Habs. Still hate the trade and I'll hate it forever. MB is gone within the next two years when Weber is unable to keep up and PK burns the league.

 

[David Suzuki]

Still can't believe Montreal did this they are slowly being destroyed

We're gonna be okay man

 

[WesMcCauley]

Surely this post is a joke? Even if Weber has slowed down a bit, he's still one of the best defensive dman in the game.

Im not saying i agree or disagree, but what backs up him beeing one of the best defensive defensemen in the nhl?

 

[Gains]

Do you think Carolina would have traded us Faulk & a small + for Subban ?

 

[Soundgarden]

Do you think Carolina would have traded us Faulk & a small + for Subban ?

Weber is incredibly better than Faulk, he's just older than him. He's the kind of guy who will drag a team kicking and screaming into the playoffs by himself. Seriously it's not that bad a deal for you guys.

 

[PredsV82]

whats going to happens is Price will be healthy, Montreal will be dramatically improved based on that alone, and then folks up there can relax a bit and learn to appreciate Weber like we do


(and Im still not used to him being gone.... )

 

[Limekiller]

What would worry me if I was Montreal was the fact that Weber was very very average at best in Nashville's series against the Sharks. (and in a couple cases that's being rather generous) No doubt he's still an outstanding D-man, but there is at least one definite red flag after the playoffs this year.

 

[Frank Drebin]

What would worry me if I was Montreal was the fact that Weber was very very average at best in Nashville's series against the Sharks. (and in a couple cases that's being rather generous) No doubt he's still an outstanding D-man, but there is at least one definite red flag after the playoffs this year.

Hopefully its buying low. Time will tell. Certainly before this season Weber was widely regarded as the better Dman.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

Yep. Weber still have a few really good years left in him. While he isn't the best at carrying the puck, he is pretty good at passing. Who is MTL going to pair him with? He really does need a puckmover to get the best out of him. Weber's downfall is that his caphit will be bad in 4-5 years

That will also coincide with the end of our "contention" window - if we even have one - when Price is too old, Pacioretty is either gone via UFA or making too much.

And at the time, Weber's actual salary will start to be lower and lower to the point where he'll be enticing to teams on a budget who don't care about the cap anyway. And sometimes past 36, if Weber is truly so washed up he's not a NHL player, he'll likely want to retire instead of dragging it out for peanuts. At which point Nashville is on the hook for the recapture so we don't care !

PK is better than Weber in every facet of the game (YES defensively too). He used to be trash because it's hip to hate the Habs. Still hate the trade and I'll hate it forever. MB is gone within the next two years when Weber is unable to keep up and PK burns the league.

If true, it hastens MB's departure which is a good thing because he would have wasted this group's chance for the next 2 years anyway. Win-win !

 

[OldCraig71]

It would have been less awful if Bergevin had the brains to push for Weber plus the Predators first round pick because of the age difference. For those that say Weber makes us a better team, I say he damn well better make us a better team because if not, it aint gonna be purddy.

 

[Cole Caulifield]

It would have been less awful if Bergevin had the brains to push for Weber plus the Predators first round pick because of the age difference. For those that say Weber makes us a better team, I say he damn well better make us a better team because if not, it aint gonna be purddy.

This trade would have been more palatable like this :

Weber+Girard
for
Subban+3rd 2017 (or one of Washington's 2nd)

 

[Aspirine]

[...]
If true, it hastens MB's departure which is a good thing because he would have wasted this group's chance for the next 2 years anyway. Win-win !

Except we lost our best skater so, no, it isn't a win-win. It's a loss any way you slice it.

 

[Kents polished head]

What would worry me if I was Montreal was the fact that Weber was very very average at best in Nashville's series against the Sharks. (and in a couple cases that's being rather generous) No doubt he's still an outstanding D-man, but there is at least one definite red flag after the playoffs this year.

You didn't see Subban in his last 3 playoffs series, have you? Hedman, Karlsson and McDonagh all made him look quite bad for a #1 D. Lost every single one of these battles quite handily.