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Confirmed Trade: [MTL/NSH] Alexandre Carrier for Justin Barron

I remember the year Lehk was dealt and the anti-habs troll takes about him.
since he's an avalanche, he's suddenly incredible. And ye's he's good, but
has been unlocked since playing for a good team.
Like Danault.
Now Avs fans want Evans.
If I'm Hughes, I tell McFarland to pound sand - or wait it out for a Monahan / Toffoli type return.
In fact, I just wouldn't answer the phone with colorado's history of f***ing montreal in trades

He was already "unlocked". I loved his versatility. The only question was his offense. He showed it in his rookie year then went through some tough seasons on the offensive side but not for a lack of chances. His scoring touch had already revived prior to leaving for Colorado.

He's exactly the kind of player you want for playoffs. He can play all situations and can fit on any line. He has a way of getting his fingerprints on big moments. Great motor too.
 
He was already "unlocked". I loved his versatility. The only question was his offense. He showed it in his rookie year then went through some tough seasons on the offensive side but not for a lack of chances. His scoring touch had already revived prior to leaving for Colorado.

He's exactly the kind of player you want for playoffs. He can play all situations and can fit on any line. Great motor too.
I don't disagree, I'm simply reminding many, that because he was on the habs he was considered an average acquisition - especially for the hockey DB stat watchers.
The gallagher / Danault / Lehkonen line was one of the best in the NHL - especially during Covid cup run.
 
I don't know why Avalanche fans are rehashing the Lehkonen deal.

That being said, this management has mentioned how important puck moving defenseman are. You don't need many to hit, but you need at least one to hit. They had Mailloux, to whom they added Barron, Hutson, Engstrom and Matheson. You can relatively easily add defensive defenseman down the line, this deal being a good indicator of it. Like centers, you want to accumulate the position I hopes to up the probability of one hitting.

You also have to evaluate where your team is. How would Lehkonen fit many years later, when the team would be on the upswing. Will it reduce the cap flexibility to add cap dumps like Monahan, who garnered two firsts. Will it give you 2-6 additional points or more per season, meaning you miss out on Slaf/Reinbacher/Demidov. Then you add the value of an extra second, allowing you to target a 6'1" smooth skating RH center at the draft. No Habs fan is mad Lehkonen has been great for Colorado, everyone loved him and wished him success, so this is a strange flex Avs have been trying to do for the last two years.
 
I don't know why Avalanche fans are rehashing the Lehkonen deal.

That being said, this management has mentioned how important puck moving defenseman are. You don't need many to hit, but you need at least one to hit. They had Mailloux, to whom they added Barron, Hutson, Engstrom and Matheson. You can relatively easily add defensive defenseman down the line, this deal being a good indicator of it. Like centers, you want to accumulate the position I hopes to up the probability of one hitting.

You also have to evaluate where your team is. How would Lehkonen fit many years later, when the team would be on the upswing. Will it reduce the cap flexibility to add cap dumps like Monahan, who garnered two firsts. Will it give you 2-6 additional points or more per season, meaning you miss out on Slaf/Reinbacher/Demidov. Then you add the value of an extra second, allowing you to target a 6'1" smooth skating RH center at the draft. No Habs fan is mad Lehkonen has been great for Colorado, everyone loved him and wished him success, so this is a strange flex Avs have been trying to do for the last two years.
Totally agreed. I am also happy for Lehkonen and don't know why Avs fans keep bringing this trade up.
 
Carrier fitting in well. Good trade for Montreal.

How Barron looking Nashville fans? He has offense skill but we couldn't do anything with him
He played 7 minutes the other night and managed a -3, so perfect fit on the Preds. Trotz will probably extend him then waive/trade him 10 games into next season.
 
As a Habs fan, in retrospective, this trade helped a lot for our D-Core. Carrier plays well with the Habs.

He is not in the top 3, but he helps a lot. Justin Barron was a liability in our own zone, now we have a player that is reliable that can play quality minutes. He didn't seem intimidated by any star players he played against.

I see that Justin Barron plays 18 minutes a game currently, which is way more than what he played with the Habs. I hope he develops too, but I think in the short term Montreal won that trade.
 
Going to take time with Barron. We just got fed up with him
Plus, with Hutson clearly taking on the role of #1 offensuve defenseman, there was less of a motivation to keep giving Barron chances.
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Let's not gloat, Habs fans, we seem to win in the short term but Barron could well find himself and be a top 4 D putting up numbers in 2 years.
 
Is Carrier playing well enough to be a Top 4 RHD for the foreseeable future in Montreal? Top end 4RHD or low end 4RHD?

Honest assessment please. Not "I want to fleece you for a 1st round pick" assessment.
 
I wouldn't bring up Kulak to Habs fans. The Canadiens took the pick from that trade and drafted Lane Hutson.
They drafted well. Took a gamble and it paid off. Good for them. Still, I would do that trade every day of the week if I'm the Oilers. Kulak has been a perfect fit and has exceeded expectations by a mile.

For the rebuilding Habs, it made sense to get a pick, a pick that very well could have been a bust too. For the contending Oilers it made sense to get a Legit NHLer with still untapped upward potential that could fit in the Cap on the cheap. I'd typify it as Win-Win trade, which is the goal of all trades.
 
Is Carrier playing well enough to be a Top 4 RHD for the foreseeable future in Montreal? Top end 4RHD or low end 4RHD?

Honest assessment please. Not "I want to fleece you for a 1st round pick" assessment.
#4/5 as advertised

Just what we needed though as we were playing #7/8 guys in that position
 
They drafted well. Took a gamble and it paid off. Good for them. Still, I would do that trade every day of the week if I'm the Oilers. Kulak has been a perfect fit and has exceeded expectations by a mile.

For the rebuilding Habs, it made sense to get a pick, a pick that very well could have been a bust too. For the contending Oilers it made sense to get a Legit NHLer with still untapped upward potential that could fit in the Cap on the cheap. I'd typify it as Win-Win trade, which is the goal of all trades.
Ya but Lane Hutson is a top 10 dman as a rookie. Trading Kulak for that is insane.
 
They drafted well. Took a gamble and it paid off. Good for them. Still, I would do that trade every day of the week if I'm the Oilers. Kulak has been a perfect fit and has exceeded expectations by a mile.

Knowing you could draft Lane Hutson with the Oilers 2nd round pick, you would trade that pick away for Brett Kulak?

That's insanity.
 
#4/5 as advertised

Just what we needed though as we were playing #7/8 guys in that position
Thanks. Think he's worth his AAV?

Knowing you could draft Lane Hutson with the Oilers 2nd round pick, you would trade that pick away for Brett Kulak?

That's insanity.
So insane 31 other teams passed on Hutson? Sure, we are just as insane as those teams. And no, there was no way of knowing Hutson would be around at that pick nor there was a way to know if he'd turned out like he did. Which explains the position he was drafted in.
 
Barron has pretty much everything you'd want, but can't figure it out.

Might just take some time for him.
Preds are bad enough should be able to give him time. I thought last night was his best game since the trade. Seems to be settling in a bit. Interested to see what he looks like if we give him 18 minutes/game for a good run of games. The size, skating, skill combination is enticing.
 
He might be a little overpaid but could probably get the same deal as a UFA
As a RHD in high demand, I suspect he'd get that on the market too. Oil Country wondered about Carrier as a fit last year, so I'm just curious how's he looking. Thanks for your feedback.
 
Ya but Lane Hutson is a top 10 dman as a rookie. Trading Kulak for that is insane.

Knowing you could draft Lane Hutson with the Oilers 2nd round pick, you would trade that pick away for Brett Kulak?

That's insanity.

The answer is obviously no, but the trade wasn't Kulak for Hutson, it was Kulak for a 2nd round pick
It's just that we have the benefit of living in the future now, and know what the pick became.
Edmonton got a solid defenseman in Kulak, and a 2nd round pick for a reliable defenseman like him is cheap. In retrospect, we use the 1st pick overall to take Hutson, we have been lucky AF that he fell on our laps like that.



As for the Carrier trade, Carrier is a much, much better hockey player than Barron right now, AINEC
However, Barron has much better tools than Carrier, and if one day he was able to put it together, my answer would have to change
 

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