Confirmed Trade: [MTL/NSH] Alexandre Carrier for Justin Barron

[John Mandalorian]

And he wouldn't have in Montreal. Moot point.

Both teams can win their part of the trade.

...ok? Waiting on the both teams part...or is that what makes it moot?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Either way... both teams won here. Canadiens at minimum got an asset that helped get them Hage. And they'll also get a lot of value out of Carriere. Sucks that Baron didn't work out... but that doesn't make it a bad trade, even in retrospect.

The Montreal rebuild is an interesting thing to monitor. I’ve seen people mention Colorado several times for reference. But what elongated Colorados re-set/rebuild was the yoyoing. They’d struggle in odd numbered years but sometimes make the playoffs in even numbered years. With Montreal, it’s more of a consistent slog of picking top 10. That could have benefits. If you ever land a high level 1C, you’ll be in great shape.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Doesn't matter. It was an asset that we leveraged in a great trade for Hage. It was part of the original Lek deal.

If you're going to evaluate a trade, why would you omit something like that? Doesn't make sense.

Hage could turn into a bust so the end result isnt determined. Avs won a cup with lehkonen, thats all it needs for them to massively win this trade.

 

[Ghetto Sangria]

Hage could turn into a bust so the end result isnt determined. Avs won a cup with lehkonen, thats all it needs for them to massively win this trade.

Lehkonen does nothing for us during our rebuild. He would have made it worse by being a great player not in our core’s age window. It was worth trying to get as many assets as possible for him.

It would’ve been a much better trade for us had Barron panned out, but if Hage becomes a big top 6 center, and the assets we got from Lehkonen end up a young Top 6 center + Carrier, we won’t be complaining lol. So for us, the result of this trade is still up in the air, which is fine because we dont need results right away.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Hage could turn into a bust so the end result isnt determined. Avs won a cup with lehkonen, thats all it needs for them to massively win this trade.

It was great for the Avs. They won from their side and thats fine. It doesn’t prevent Montreal from winning as well. It’s not a zero sum game.

The question is whether Montreal won as well. And you’re absolutely right that we don’t know yet. But if I had to redo the trade based on what we know TODAY I would absolutely make that trade.

 

[CanadienShark]

Wonder if Montreal will stop taking our overhyped 1st round busts after Newhook and Barron?

I wonder if Muffin will stop trolling.

 

[Treb]

...ok? Waiting on the both teams part...or is that what makes it moot?

When did I say Colorado lost the trade? They got a good player that fit their team very well.

Did I really need to spell that part out for you?

 

[John Mandalorian]

When did I say Colorado lost the trade? They got a good player that fit their team very well.

Did I really need to spell that part out for you?

That wasn’t asked of you. The suggestion was that one team benefited from the trade far more than the other. Yes, he maybe didn’t fit their timeline but that’s a separate issue. And it’s true not all prospects work out but it’s hard not to wonder whether Barron’s lack of progress influenced, say, taking Reinbacher instead of someone else for example. It’s sensible to have multiple lines in the water since not everyone works out but also, if they felt great about Barron do they take someone besides Reinbacher? And if that pick was influenced by Barron’s lack of progress and Reinbacher doesn’t work out, it’s effect has become pervasive

 

[Treb]

That wasn’t asked of you. The suggestion was that one team benefited from the trade far more than the other. Yes, he maybe didn’t fit their timeline but that’s a separate issue. And it’s true not all prospects work out but it’s hard not to wonder whether Barron’s lack of progress influenced, say, taking Reinbacher instead of someone else for example. It’s sensible to have multiple lines in the water since not everyone works out but also, if they felt great about Barron do they take someone besides Reinbacher? And if that pick was influenced by Barron’s lack of progress and Reinbacher doesn’t work out, it’s effect has become pervasive

You are bending yourself in non-euclidean way to attribute things to the Lehkonen trade to make it a loss on Montreal's part.

Reinbacher? Really?

 

[HuGort]

Preds taking a flyer on Barron developing. Nashville got best out of a lot of defense men. They must have good defense coach.

Freeing up caproom also

 

[BHD]

I like the trade for Montreal. Carrier can play tougher minutes while the Habs figure out their defense.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Carrier will never win the Norris, but he's solid

His game yesterday was better than anything Barron ever gave us

 

[GirardSpinorama]

It was great for the Avs. They won from their side and thats fine. It doesn’t prevent Montreal from winning as well. It’s not a zero sum game.

The question is whether Montreal won as well. And you’re absolutely right that we don’t know yet. But if I had to redo the trade based on what we know TODAY I would absolutely make that trade.

I wouldnt. Theres no way anyone would trade Lehkonen for Barron and a second today based on the players performances since the trade.

On the one side, the Avs have already won the trade. On the other side, we can just kick the ball down the road because draft trees can grow for a decade. Not really worth it imo, theres already enough milestones passed to make this a poor trade for one party.