Confirmed Signing with Link: [MTL] F Kirby Dach signs extension with the Canadiens (4 years, $3.3625M AAV)

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You know this is a Habs signing when we're 7 pages in and people are debating whether or not giving 3.3M for 4 years is an overpay for a 21 year old, #3 OA center with great tools, who's pretty much a lock to produce 30-40 pts.

3.3M is pretty much in line with a 3C who produces 30-35 pts, he'll hit that
 
Golden Spooner that grew up worshipping but not a hockey man.


If Dach develops to a 2C or better, GREAT.

I'm arguing that it's not warranted.. yet. The normal course would be 2 yr show-me contract.

I obviously hope I'm wrong.
So you're worried about years 3 and 4 then?
 
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#3 OA center with great tools, who's pretty much a lock to produce 30-40 pts.
His draft position is meaningless when you immediately cap his expected productivity at below even 0.5PPG

He has a ton of flaws and question marks. This contract isn't horrific but it isn't a no-brainer either.
 
You know this is a Habs signing when we're 7 pages in and people are debating whether or not giving 3.3M for 4 years is an overpay for a 21 year old, #3 OA center with great tools, who's pretty much a lock to produce 30-40 pts.

3.3M is pretty much in line with a 3C who produces 30-35 pts, he'll hit that
I don't think it's a bad signing, but how is he a lock to do what he's never done?
 
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I dont think it’s a bad deal. It’s either a massive bargain or at the very least , a very very slight overpay.
He was drafted where he was for a reason . He has skill and the ability to be a top 6 forward. At this,price it’s a steal. If reaches his “floor “(which is very likely) it’s a fair deal.

I see this as a win win for the Habs and for Dach. He doesnt have to worry about his contract status or stress about what happens next , he can just go out and play and try to earn a raise when this contract is up.
 
Golden Spooner that grew up worshipping but not a hockey man.


If Dach develops to a 2C or better, GREAT.

I'm arguing that it's not warranted.. yet. The normal course would be 2 yr show-me contract.

I obviously hope I'm wrong.
Now is the time to make a semi risky contract like this anyways, Montreals going for last place this next year anyways and then if he breaks out maybe the last year of the four year contract theu might be competing for a playoff spot
 
Here I am thinking that's not bad even if Dach is a 30-35 point player. 3.5 million in this day and age for a player like that is about the norm. The term is the weird part.

I'm not shy about criticizing the Canadiens but this is fine.

Yeah its also not like a Armia or Byron where we paid them for their peak performances


Dach is still young and could provide good services to the Habs
 
No. I worry that he may never be worth his contract.

Like i said, go 2.2 for two and if he is a real 2C, then sure 5 for 2 is warrented.

...calculated gamble that could end up saving the Habs millions in the Future while not breaking the bank now on a high-skill young player who was progressing absolutely fine until bad luck (broken wrist at WJC final pre-tournament game) got in the way...and if he doesn't ever reach anywhere close to his potential and bottoms out as a Bottom 6 guy, it's still a perfectly fine contract that is absolutely no worse than a few of the real stinkers the Habs have already...he'll prove the doubters wrong, imo, and progress very well over this Season alone, let alone in the future...
 
No. I worry that he may never be worth his contract.

Like i said, go 2.2 for two and if he is a real 2C, then sure 5 for 2 is warrented.
So you think he's going to sign for 2.2 for 2 years, put up 50-60 points and then sign for 5x2 after that?

Or are you worried that he's going to be a 2.2 million player in years 3 and 4 and we're going to be overpaying him by a million in those years?

Or are you worried he's not an NHL player, period?
 
I don't think it's a bad signing, but how is he a lock to do what he's never done?
it requires having a bit of common sense

23 pts in 64 games in his rookie year, 10 in 18 games (injury season) and 26 pts in 70 games on a weak team/with limited minutes when he's coming back from a wrist injury (even factoring all this in he was on pace for 30+ pts in a year).. so he's already worth his contract as is, you're getting his upside for free essentially

ultimately this trade will always be judged on who becomes the better NHL'er (between Romanov and Dach)
 
it requires having a bit of common sense

23 pts in 64 games in his rookie year, 10 in 18 games (injury season) and 26 pts in 70 games on a weak team/with limited minutes when he's coming back from a wrist injury (even factoring all this in he was on pace for 30+ pts in a year).. so he's already worth his contract as is, you're getting his upside for free essentially

ultimately this trade will always be judged on who becomes the better NHL'er (between Romanov and Dach)
1) I didn't say he wasn't worth his contract
2) You using examples of times he didn't hit 30 or 40 pts doesn't really help your argument. Common sense says if he hasn't done it, through injury or other reasons, then he's not a lock.
 
1) I didn't say he wasn't worth his contract
2) You using examples of times he didn't hit 30 or 40 pts doesn't really help your argument. Common sense says if he hasn't done it, through injury or other reasons, then he's not a lock.
Waoh you know what, i guess you really did win the argument. Your brain power is impeccable, congrats! Is that what you're looking for? Because it seems like it..

1 of your arguments is that you didn't say he's not worth his contract, yet you're literally replying to my post where the main point of it was his contract and his current production. So maybe the issue here is your reading comprehension, improving that would save you a lot of worthless/time wasting arguments in the future (unless that's what you're looking for?!?!). Nitpicking on small/useless details doesn't make you smart, it says something else about you :laugh:.

And if you REAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY wanna be nitpicky, in my main post i said he's "PRETTY MUCH" a lock to hit 30-40 pts, what does pretty much mean? If you can read between the lines it means i know he hasn't done that yet but you can PRETTY MUCH safely assume that it's attainable. It means I'm not willing to argue about dumb nitpicky semantics like you (because that's not the main point of my post), except if we get into a scenario like this of course ;). Don't isolate my statements just to make nitpicky arguments, if you do that you'll miss the context buddy.

My main point is he's getting paid to produce 30 pts a year so he's already paid fair value.. so how can we be 7 pages in and have people argue that this isn't a good contract? It's just illogical, we're getting his upside for free. If you think he's gonna stay a 30 point player for the next 4 years then you can say it's an ok deal (not good or bad, but then the trade would be bad). I still wouldn't categorize the CONTRACT as a big gamble or anything.. that's all. The overarching point of my post is this thread is where it's at because HF gonna HF, arguments are made due to team/fan bias, not logic. Exhibit A: you arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
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It's just not a good contract, considering it's based on what he could be and not what he's done. His fractured wrist seems to have permanently affected his play, he also plays like he's scared of falling into the boards or taking a blindside hit. I haven't seen or read anything that points to rehabilitation and a change in the style of his play, so I expect another poor season from him.
 
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And they’ll find reasons and excuses to stash other players on LTIR. The NHL turns a blind eye to this practice so it’s wide open for manipulation.

And I no longer care. Let teams use it liberally. If they can afford it.. go for it.
Can you share with us all the instances where teams have put non LTIR injured players on LTIR and the league has turned a blind eye to it?
 
It's just not a good contract, considering it's based on what he could be and not what he's done. His fractured wrist seems to have permanently affected his play, he also plays like he's scared of falling into the boards or taking a blindside hit. I haven't seen or read anything that points to rehabilitation and a change in the style of his play, so I expect another poor season from him.
 
So you think he's going to sign for 2.2 for 2 years, put up 50-60 points and then sign for 5x2 after that?

Or are you worried that he's going to be a 2.2 million player in years 3 and 4 and we're going to be overpaying him by a million in those years?

Or are you worried he's not an NHL player, period?
Did you run out of options? LOL

i worry that he's really a 25 point player and that his wrist may still be an issue.

At that point we got a dime a dozen million dollar journeyman paid 3.4 million .

Of course i hope I'm wrong but I'm always the glass half empty skeptic.

We are weeks away...and we will know if we have gold...or fools gold.
 
Did you run out of options? LOL

i worry that he's really a 25 point player and that his wrist may still be an issue.

At that point we got a dime a dozen million dollar journeyman paid 3.4 million .

Of course i hope I'm wrong but I'm always the glass half empty skeptic.

We are weeks away...and we will know if we have gold...or fools gold.
A 25 point player? Really?? did he get both legs amputated in the off season? this is getting ridiculous.
 
Can you share with us all the instances where teams have put non LTIR injured players on LTIR and the league has turned a blind eye to it?
Sure Kuch in 2020. Just magically healed right in time for the playoffs. Price and Weber. They could both probably play. They don’t. Better to get paid doing nothing than to gut it out.
 
Sure Kuch in 2020. Just magically healed right in time for the playoffs. Price and Weber. They could both probably play. They don’t. Better to get paid doing nothing than to gut it out.
The league challenged the Habs on Weber and then deemed it was legit.
 
Sure Kuch in 2020. Just magically healed right in time for the playoffs. Price and Weber. They could both probably play. They don’t. Better to get paid doing nothing than to gut it out.
By "They could probably play" do you mean they're able to lace their skates and physically play the game of hockey, or do you think that they're still able to perform to the best of their abilities (given where they were at in their careers)?

If the latter, are you suggesting that these guys that have trained and prepared their whole lives just to play the game of hockey at the highest level, now just want to give it up and collect their cheques? That would be an interesting take, since most retired pro athletes have a difficult time transitioning out of the pro sports life as it's all they've known their whole lives.
 
Sure Kuch in 2020. Just magically healed right in time for the playoffs. Price and Weber. They could both probably play. They don’t. Better to get paid doing nothing than to gut it out.
Kucherov’s expected return date (based on others who had the same injury) was the week the season ended (shortened season). So you’re wrong!
There is no question Price was legit. So you’re wrong.
Weber was actually investigated and found legit. So you’re wrong.
The other one people like to bring up is Kane, who actually returned 3 weeks earlier than medical projections.

Do you have other privately obtained evidence to support your claim or just more of you talking out your ass about things you know nothing about?

I’m humored that you not only find yourself an expert on 32 teams rosters and prospects but you do so with obviously an advanced medical education as well.
 
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Kucherov’s expected return date (based on others who had the same injury) was the week the season ended (shortened season).
There is no question Price was legit and Weber was actually investigated and found legit.
The other one people like to bring up is Kane, who actually returned 3 weeks earlier than medical projections.

Do you have evidence to support your claim or just more of you talking out your ass about things you know nothing about?

I’m humored that you not only find yourself an expert on 32 teams rosters and prospects but you do so with obviously an advanced medical education as well.

...he's All Knowing, All Seeing...Omnipotent, Omnipresent...he's:













...full of shyte...just like the rest of us...
 
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