Prairie Habs
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Proposal: MTL/EDM filling needs proposal.
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Yep. Nope. Nope. Yep.
But we'll take 'em. But you won't get anything near what they should cost.
MakeTheGoalsLarger
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Plekanec is seriously underrated. He's 33 but still in good shape. RNH has yet to prove he can be a better player than him.
And now we are talking adding Markov and a 1st round pick.I thought the last few days made it clear that Bergevin is aiming to contend soon.
And the Oilers are obviously not trying to contend so soon, so it's bad for them as well.
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I would be shocked if Markov was traded at this point. He spent his career in Montreal and still can barely speak English. I'm thinking he isn't interested in being traded at all. Bergevin won't ignore that. Besides, he is still usefull to the team.
And now we are talking adding Markov and a 1st round pick.I thought the last few days made it clear that Bergevin is aiming to contend soon.
And the Oilers are obviously not trying to contend so soon, so it's bad for them as well.
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I would be shocked if Markov was traded at this point. He spent his career in Montreal and still can barely speak English. I'm thinking he isn't interested in being traded at all. Bergevin won't ignore that. Besides, he is still usefull to the team.
That would be there window if they made this trade. One year
It's the Habs fans vs. 29 other fan bases that think this is bad for the Oilers
From a neutral standpoint, I think it's actually decent long-term if the Oilers are smart about how they use the pick. I think Markov has a couple of years left in him...if they use that time and the pick wisely (meaning trade, not necessarily draft), they can get the young RH PPQB they'll need to replace him and have those two years for the kid to grow into the role they'll need him to step into when Markov retires, while remaining competitive now and in the future.
Smart asset management requires thinking two iterations ahead...not just about the present.
It seems pointless to even debate this proposal as it is total crap for the oilers. How about we trade you Fayne, Pouliot and next years first for Galchenak, which is the equivalent proposal. Pleiades is still a capable player and won't be leaving anytime soon, but the oilers would never make this deal.
oilerbear
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Your definition of 1 st line center differs from mine.
I believe you can,t face the other teams best.
PvP
You are not a # 1 center.
Though tavares a 1.00 ppg 2 nd comp center is likely going to have to face the best with on of the best PvP centers going to detroit.
RNH was .85 ppg as a 18 yr old playing 2 nd comp.
He has faced the best of the west for all the other years. Were he had been a top 10 producing pvp center in those years. #1 pvp center ev goals and #3 pvp center ev points in 14-15.
When you look at his 2 nd comp production in that time he is 1.08 ppg.
I would love to see a oiler pvp line of pouliot - draisatl - Eberle
3 rd comp line of lucic - mcdavid - yakupov
2 nd comp line of maroon - rnh - Jp
I don't agree at all with the OP, but to compare RNH to a younger, bigger, healthier, cheaper (at least for a year) and constantly improving Galchenyuk, coming off a 30-goal season, and Pouliot to Plekanec is absurd at this point.
Plekanec is done and somehow managed to score 20 more points, than RNH. Markov is done and still scored more, than any Edmonton defenseman...
Oh now RNH is a 1st line star player. Not sure how many posts I've read he sucks and injury prone and blah blah blah. Only way he moves is for a top dman
oilerbear
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Weber used to be the best dman at preventing Shots against and .915 to .800 save % (HSCA) shots.
Then it was doughty!
The last 2 years it has been A. Larsson.
Petry was unable to handle the physical pacific division. Bottom 40 hsca d.
But he is a top 80 hsca d in mtl, s division.
Pacioretty is a top 15 evp forward and a top 15 evg forward.
We traded our top 10 evp forward and top 20 evg forward for the best even and pk defender of the net in the game.
We then signed a top 25 evg scorer who is a top 40 evp forward in free agency.
Mtl has a collection of below average hsca d.
Subban was one of them.
Great move to grab a 1 st comp net protection anchor in weber!
Carey price is the best goalie at stopping the hsca (.915 - .800) shots.
A team kind of needs a top hsca save % goalie to be cup competitive.
Top 5 hsca goalies last 3 years combined.
1. Price
2. Holtby
3. schnieder
4. Lundquist
5. Talbot
Pacioretty yes.
But i would just like to get a top 40 evg and top 40 evp forward like hudler in free agency.
Ive got a better idea.
Build a time machine, go back, trade Subban to Edmonton for a realistic package.
This proposal is a classic hfboards "things I dont need for something I really need" post followed by the obligitory "he isn't that good anyways" posts by your fellow fanboys.
It's a bad proposal and it's a nonstarter for hopkins.
Build a time machine, go back, trade Subban to Edmonton for a realistic package.
This proposal is a classic hfboards "things I dont need for something I really need" post followed by the obligitory "he isn't that good anyways" posts by your fellow fanboys.
It's a bad proposal and it's a nonstarter for hopkins.
Big Easy
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RNH- 23 years of age.
Plekanec: 34 this year
Markov:38 this year
Oilers aren't trying to win the Cup in 2017. Being in the playoff hunt is the first step. Why on God's green earth would they trade RNH for two guys, 11 and 15 years his senior. That makes 0 sense.
The 1st round pick in this deal is the only long term piece for the Oil but who knows what the pick ends up being.
This would be a terrible trade for Edmonton to make if you look beyond 1 or 2 seasons.
Plekanec: 34 this year
Markov:38 this year
Oilers aren't trying to win the Cup in 2017. Being in the playoff hunt is the first step. Why on God's green earth would they trade RNH for two guys, 11 and 15 years his senior. That makes 0 sense.
The 1st round pick in this deal is the only long term piece for the Oil but who knows what the pick ends up being.
This would be a terrible trade for Edmonton to make if you look beyond 1 or 2 seasons.
To be honest, I'm a bit surprised that Edmonton fans aren't interested in what was offered in the OP. Now, I don't know what kind of impact it would have on the Oilers financial structure, but in a vacuum:
- With Conor McDavid playing first line, I would argue that Plekanec would be a much better option as 2nd or even 3rd line center (depending where you put Draisaitl) than RNH could ever be. From an outsider's point of view, seems like it would bring TONS of balance and stability to your center line.
- Markov, while being 37-years old, is still a solid top-4 defenseman, who can REALLY make the difference on the PP. It's a moot point, because I really think Markov is gonna end his career in Montreal, but while he may not be the 'young defenseman' you guys can expect to groom with your other young players, he's something that you don't have.
But the key remain the first round pick. Even if you add RNH to the Habs ine-up, there's NO DOUBT in my mind that this team CAN'T win without Plekanec and Markov. Hell, as of right now, we're a team 'fighting for a playoffs spot'. Take Plekanec and Markov out, we're lottery for sure, and probably a top-8 pick.
Now say you make the deal, and get a top-10, you...
a) Improved your team this year (which could be benefitial in the development of your young players), and probably next year as well with a returning Plekanec, still bringing stability down the middle.
b) You get a top-10 pick in the draft...which seems like a pretty good return by itself for RNH, considering he probably wouldn't go Top-5 if we redrafted the 2011 class.
Any Oilers fan wanna pitch in ?
(as in having a conversation, without calling each others names)
- With Conor McDavid playing first line, I would argue that Plekanec would be a much better option as 2nd or even 3rd line center (depending where you put Draisaitl) than RNH could ever be. From an outsider's point of view, seems like it would bring TONS of balance and stability to your center line.
- Markov, while being 37-years old, is still a solid top-4 defenseman, who can REALLY make the difference on the PP. It's a moot point, because I really think Markov is gonna end his career in Montreal, but while he may not be the 'young defenseman' you guys can expect to groom with your other young players, he's something that you don't have.
But the key remain the first round pick. Even if you add RNH to the Habs ine-up, there's NO DOUBT in my mind that this team CAN'T win without Plekanec and Markov. Hell, as of right now, we're a team 'fighting for a playoffs spot'. Take Plekanec and Markov out, we're lottery for sure, and probably a top-8 pick.
Now say you make the deal, and get a top-10, you...
a) Improved your team this year (which could be benefitial in the development of your young players), and probably next year as well with a returning Plekanec, still bringing stability down the middle.
b) You get a top-10 pick in the draft...which seems like a pretty good return by itself for RNH, considering he probably wouldn't go Top-5 if we redrafted the 2011 class.
Any Oilers fan wanna pitch in ?
(as in having a conversation, without calling each others names)
To be honest, I'm a bit surprised that Edmonton fans aren't interested in what was offered in the OP. Now, I don't know what kind of impact it would have on the Oilers financial structure, but in a vacuum:
- With Conor McDavid playing first line, I would argue that Plekanec would be a much better option as 2nd or even 3rd line center (depending where you put Draisaitl) than RNH could ever be. From an outsider's point of view, seems like it would bring TONS of balance and stability to your center line.
- Markov, while being 37-years old, is still a solid top-4 defenseman, who can REALLY make the difference on the PP. It's a moot point, because I really think Markov is gonna end his career in Montreal, but while he may not be the 'young defenseman' you guys can expect to groom with your other young players, he's something that you don't have.
But the key remain the first round pick. Even if you add RNH to the Habs ine-up, there's NO DOUBT in my mind that this team CAN'T win without Plekanec and Markov. Hell, as of right now, we're a team 'fighting for a playoffs spot'. Take Plekanec and Markov out, we're lottery for sure, and probably a top-8 pick.
Now say you make the deal, and get a top-10, you...
a) Improved your team this year (which could be benefitial in the development of your young players), and probably next year as well with a returning Plekanec, still bringing stability down the middle.
b) You get a top-10 pick in the draft...which seems like a pretty good return by itself for RNH, considering he probably wouldn't go Top-5 if we redrafted the 2011 class.
Any Oilers fan wanna pitch in ?
(as in having a conversation, without calling each others names)
Because in two years we have a 35 year old UFA Tomas Plekanec and a draft pick that could be anywhere from top 10 to mid 20s, four or five years away from doing anything helpful for our team. Meanwhile Montreal has the best piece in the deal under contract until 2021 and still under 25 years old.
Seriously.
OutForMilk
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RNH career 0.71pts/game.
Pleks career 0.65pts/game.
And at this point in RNH's career he has 222 NHL points. At this same age Pleks would have had 29.
Funny definition of "yet to prove" he's better. He's certainly on a much better career trajectory.
OutForMilk
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To be honest, I'm a bit surprised that Edmonton fans aren't interested in what was offered in the OP. Now, I don't know what kind of impact it would have on the Oilers financial structure, but in a vacuum:
- With Conor McDavid playing first line, I would argue that Plekanec would be a much better option as 2nd or even 3rd line center (depending where you put Draisaitl) than RNH could ever be. From an outsider's point of view, seems like it would bring TONS of balance and stability to your center line.
- Markov, while being 37-years old, is still a solid top-4 defenseman, who can REALLY make the difference on the PP. It's a moot point, because I really think Markov is gonna end his career in Montreal, but while he may not be the 'young defenseman' you guys can expect to groom with your other young players, he's something that you don't have.
But the key remain the first round pick. Even if you add RNH to the Habs ine-up, there's NO DOUBT in my mind that this team CAN'T win without Plekanec and Markov. Hell, as of right now, we're a team 'fighting for a playoffs spot'. Take Plekanec and Markov out, we're lottery for sure, and probably a top-8 pick.
Now say you make the deal, and get a top-10, you...
a) Improved your team this year (which could be benefitial in the development of your young players), and probably next year as well with a returning Plekanec, still bringing stability down the middle.
b) You get a top-10 pick in the draft...which seems like a pretty good return by itself for RNH, considering he probably wouldn't go Top-5 if we redrafted the 2011 class.
Any Oilers fan wanna pitch in ?
(as in having a conversation, without calling each others names)
We don't even have to look at the players to realize this doesn't work for Edm. We can just stop at the fact that it puts them several million over the cap. /End trade.
If it takes you 6 years to develop a top-20 picks (still maintained it would be top-10 with that trade) into a player that would be helpful for your team, then you're doing something wrong.
I guess I'm not evaluating RNH correctly. I see a good player, albeit somewhat of a question mark in terms of durability. But, and I don't mean that as an insult, just giving you my outsider's point of view, I don't see him as top-3 talent. To me he's like a Kyle Turris -kinda guy. Someone that you could play on your top-line, but ultimately would be a much better fit as a 2nd line playmaker.
Anyway, I was just curious, as I could see some real upside for the Oilers in the OP deal. Still a no from my Hab fan's point of view.
You can tell a lot about a subject by what the poster DOESNT say.
None of you Montreal fans seem to get around explaining RNH is 23 years old and both Plec (33) and Markov (37) are aging. The deal is atrocious in the long term.
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I always liked Nugent-Hopkins and personally he would be my favorite target for C2 on Habs roster.
I thought Plekanec could be a nice addition to Oilers, supporting the young centermen in place, bringing great two way game, experience and excellent pro work ethic.
Could Edmonton be interested in rhd prospect Noah Juulsen and young skilled winger Andrighetto who's NHL ready?
Plekanec + Andrighetto + Juulsen
for
Nugent-Hopkins
I thought Plekanec could be a nice addition to Oilers, supporting the young centermen in place, bringing great two way game, experience and excellent pro work ethic.
Could Edmonton be interested in rhd prospect Noah Juulsen and young skilled winger Andrighetto who's NHL ready?
Plekanec + Andrighetto + Juulsen
for
Nugent-Hopkins
If it takes you 6 years to develop a top-20 picks (still maintained it would be top-10 with that trade) into a player that would be helpful for your team, then you're doing something wrong.
I guess I'm not evaluating RNH correctly. I see a good player, albeit somewhat of a question mark in terms of durability. But, and I don't mean that as an insult, just giving you my outsider's point of view, I don't see him as top-3 talent. To me he's like a Kyle Turris -kinda guy. Someone that you could play on your top-line, but ultimately would be a much better fit as a 2nd line playmaker.
Anyway, I was just curious, as I could see some real upside for the Oilers in the OP deal. Still a no from my Hab fan's point of view.
When Friedman was discussing him earlier in the year he described him as a switch-blade. He's not your average scoring center, he's a guy you can plug anywhere into the lineup and he's a threat. With McDavid and Draisaitl both in the infancy of their careers having RNH in the lineup allows him to take the bulk of the matchups and play wherever he is needed. With heavy offensive starts and plenty of PP time, there's no question he can hit 70 points in a healthy year. But having him as a depth option is far more useful for Edmonton with McDavid as our primary scoring threat.
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Plus RNH is very good on the PK and plays a solid two-way game. His hockey IQ is excellent.
Not to mention unlike Hall, Nugent-Hopkins plays centre not wing. Him and Drai are very highly unlikely to be going anywhere unless a bona fide #1 D coming the other way.
He's probably more well-rounded than I thought then.
I remember back in his draft year, I wasn't sold on him at all as the #1 pick. I remember saying to the friend I was watching the draft with: "This guy is the next Sam Gagner". I guess that description stuck in my head over time.
