Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[NYR Viper]

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Vince mentions several vet forwards, and says that Smith and Vesey specifically are 2 of them. Not many other vet forwards besides them, tells me the Rangers are listening on Kreider at the least. With the timing of this article and Vince saying basically he expects Othmann to get a call up post-trade(s), I think some of the concern about Rangers holding their own free agents as rentals can be eased.

I hope this is the case. And honestly, it's the best path in general. Let those kids play big minutes as long as possible and make the moves as needed at the deadline to give them full time gigs.

 

[kovazub94]

I hope this is the case. And honestly, it's the best path in general. Let those kids play big minutes as long as possible and make the moves as needed at the deadline to give them full time gigs.

Yeah, given what's transpired so far hockey moves should take priority and making playoffs or not - a by-product, rather than the goal

 

[NickyFotiu]

I don't think Montreal would do that. They don't have a need for Jones. They already have 5 lefties on the roster, and one of them is Lane Hutson, so Jones isn't going to get PP time. If they move Matheson, maybe they would consider it, but they might want an AHL dman back to replace Lindstrom.

Jones for Hutson. Problem solved?

 

[mike14]

Miller is the type of player to be an overwhelming net positive but his negative plays are flamboyant so people latch on to them.

You just described half of this board's relationship with Adam Fox

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

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Vince mentions several vet forwards, and says that Smith and Vesey specifically are 2 of them. Not many other vet forwards besides them, tells me the Rangers are listening on Kreider at the least. With the timing of this article and Vince saying basically he expects Othmann to get a call up post-trade(s), I think some of the concern about Rangers holding their own free agents as rentals can be eased.

I’ll believe it when I see it. Plus still have to move krieder and lindgren

 

[MrAlmost]

Smith and Vesey out at minimum. Lindgren? Well we all have beat that drum for too long. Kreider we will see.

Without Kreider:
Panarin-Miller-Laf
Cuylle-Z-Kaliyev
Othmann-Tro-Berard
Brod-Carrick-Rempe

 

[NickyFotiu]

What do you guys think of Kaliyev so far? Good pick up?

 

[McRanger92]

What do you guys think of Kaliyev so far? Good pick up?

much better than brodzinski and vesey with some potential upside

 

[NickyFotiu]

much better than brodzinski and vesey with some potential upside

I think he seems like a really smart pickup. Could turn out to be nothing but was risk free and has shown a good shot, willingness to shoot, and some power to drive towards the net.

 

[UnparalledPark]

I havent found this to be the case with K'Andre the last few playoff runs. Trouba and Lindgren are more the types to cost you playoff games imo.

Lindgren I agree. Yeah, remember all those times last year when opposing players went around Trouba like he was standing still? A lot of those times Miller wasn’t even in the TV picture. Where was he. Miller lost the Colorado game in the last 14 seconds with a poor decision. I counted 3 goals in the 6-3 Boston game where his decisions caused odd man rushes the other way. He plays D by letting his man get by him to the outside, then he latches on with his left arm and tries to poke check the puck with his right. Sometimes he is successful and it’s a great play. Other times not so much, and it leads to another cross ice pass for a league leading cross ice pass goal against. He pinches when he should stay back. He’ll body his man while leaving his partner alone for a 2 on 1. My wife can tell you how many times this year I yelled at the TV saying “what are you doing” and it’s usually Lindgren or Key I’m yelling at. Incredible talent. Incredibly poor decision maker. Not our biggest problem, but we won’t win a cup with him. Other teams will take a chance on him. He’s our best trade chip. Do so before we have to pay 7 mil per.

 

[bernmeister]

I think he seems like a really smart pickup. Could turn out to be nothing but was risk free and has shown a good shot, willingness to shoot, and some power to drive towards the net.

yeah while want to avoid shiny new toy syndrome and grab as the rule and not the exception, I concur w/the above

He is night and day HUGE over Vesey across the board

Brodz getting shit on and it's not warranted.
Upside of Kal IS more, but Brodz is a legit pivot, better skater, more polished, etc

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Yeah, given what's transpired so far hockey moves should take priority and making playoffs or not - a by-product, rather than the goal

Lets hope Dolan the Dolt agrees with you.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Just watching Chris Kreider speak and he seems different. Wonder what is going on with him.

 

[UnparalledPark]

Miller is the type of player to be an overwhelming net positive but his negative plays are flamboyant so people latch on to them.

The problem is our opponents Latch onto them as well.

 

[lakeshirts37]

AFP Projections

Anyone seen this yet? Gavrikov and Orlov seem reasonable based on projections

Gavrikov - 5 years @ $5.4m
Orlov - 3 @ $5m
Maata - 3 @ $3.1m
Kovacevix - 2 years @ $1.55m

They have K'Andre Miller @ 6 years and $5.3m cap hit. SIGN THAT DEAL NOW

I dont think Gavrikov’s AAV will be decreasing but what do I know

 

[lakeshirts37]

Nope.

Trade Lindgren and Kreider (I don't care much for what Smith or Vesey would bring especially with Edstrom gone for a few months).
Bring a legitimate top-4 LD to partner with Fox

Kreider isnt going anywhere this season

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Chris drury trying to replace 100 Panarin points

 

[EXTRAS]

Did trocheck get moved to wing for last game? Why so few faceoffs taken?

 

[RangerBoy]

Arthur Staple and Peter Baugh

What we know: There will be a market for three of the Rangers’ pending UFAs: Ryan Lindgren, Reilly Smith and Jimmy Vesey should draw varying levels of interest and varying quality of trade offers, but if the appetite is there to bank some assets rather than use these three for a playoff push, Drury will have a chance to sell.

Lindgren would bring back the biggest return. Despite a down season that was rocky from the start when he broke his jaw in a preseason fight and missed the first five games, Lindgren is still an attractive player to a lot of teams who could do with a blood-and-guts type player in the middle of their defense corps for a playoff run. And plugging Lindgren into a Cup-contending group would likely mean fewer minutes than he’s been logging as a Ranger, where the team’s spotty defending has exposed him a bit this season.

Smith and Vesey are likely worth mid-round picks, where Lindgren could bring back the kind of return that could restock the Rangers’ draft coffers. They have no second-round picks until the 2028 draft and no first-rounder either this year or next from the Miller deal.

Drury will wait until closer to March 7 to make a call on all three players. The Rangers have seven games before the deadline to decide whether to sell, keep or even buy.

What we think: That all three of these players will be elsewhere on March 8. If James Dolan and Drury think that going partway into this remodel, stopping after a few wins and going for a wild-card spot is the smart play, that would be quite a surprise. Given how Drury has gone about making his changes (brusquely, let’s say) and how the team has played the last two months (erratically, let’s say), there’s zero reason to stop now.

Especially if none of these three are in their plans for next season. We excluded Jonathan Quick because he’s earned the right to call his shot if this is indeed his final playing season. But Vesey has already expressed a desire to play after sitting for nearly a month and Lindgren appears headed for free agency. Why hold here?

Hard to predict where Vesey and Smith will end up, but we’ll call Lindgren to Dallas, where the Stars have some injury issues on the left side of their defense.

Lindgren will restock the Rangers draft pick coffers. The Rangers might be better off packaging Lindgren and Reilly Smith together. Retain 50% on each player. That's the common trend in the last few seasons. The Rangers and Blues trade. Tarasenko and Mikkola. Ryan O'Reilly and Acciari. Orlov and Hathaway. McCabe and Lafferty. The last 3 trades needed a 3rd party broker. Minnesota was the 3rd team broker. Granlund and Ceci this year. There was no retention from SJ. They have no slots left. I read an article in the Athletic by Arpon Basu on Evans and Armia. Both players will be free agents this summer and they are really good on the PK together in Montreal. Arpon spoke to an NHL exec who agreed with his idea of packaging both players in a trade.

Dallas already traded away their 2025 first round pick to SJ. Colorado needs help on D. The Avs traded their 2025 first round pick to rent Sean Walker last year but they made the Flyers take back Ryan Johansson's $4M but they waived him and terminated his contract. Edmonton needs a right handed D. They also traded their 2025 first round pick to the Flyers for a 2024 first round pick 32nd overall. Florida needs help on D. They have no money and no first round pick in June. Traded in the Tkachuk trade. LA? They have cap space and a first round pick in June. The Wild have Kaprizov's long term IR money but he should be back before the season ends. Minnesota traded their first to Columbus. Caps? No. Vegas? No. Maybe they want Smith by himself. Toronto? They want a center. They have no 2025 1st. Winnipeg? They also want a center. They have a 2025 1st. TB? No. They have no 2025 1st.

2026 first round pick is the better option.

 

[leetch99]

I think he seems like a really smart pickup. Could turn out to be nothing but was risk free and has shown a good shot, willingness to shoot, and some power to drive towards the net.

Will make trading Berard for a rental easier to digest for some .

Kreider isnt going anywhere this season

...or ever . Nobody will want him . The other clubs have scouts and none of them are blind .

 

[leetch99]

Lindgren will likely have a Stanley Cup ring ahead of Fox .......HAHAHA......who would have thought that ? It would be hilarious .

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lindgren will likely have a Stanley Cup ring ahead of Fox .......HAHAHA......who would have thought that ? It would be hilarious .

No team that has Lindgren in their top 6 is winning anything.

Only way Lindgren is ever getting a ring is if he’s on IR for a team that wins. He is that bad.

 

[NYR Viper]

No team that has Lindgren in their top 6 is winning anything.

Only way Lindgren is ever getting a ring is if he’s on IR for a team that wins. He is that bad.

Jack Johnson
Erik Johnson

 

[MrAlmost]

No team that has Lindgren in their top 6 is winning anything.

Only way Lindgren is ever getting a ring is if he’s on IR for a team that wins. He is that bad.

Way to basically guarantee he will win it. So many times I've seen experts on this board claim you can't win with some dude and 2 years later there he is lifting the cup.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Jack Johnson
Erik Johnson

He’s worse than both.

Way to basically guarantee he will win it. So many times I've seen experts on this board claim you can't win with some dude and 2 years later there he is lifting the cup.

Yeah it won’t be RL

I don’t think you understand the extent to how bad this player is. He’s really, really terrible with Fox and isn’t someone who gets better with sheltered minutes (he gets worse.)