Cause unless CBJ give away Laine for free or pay to trade him, no GM is taking his 8.7M$ contract too much riskI don't see any reason why Columbus would take either of Gallagher or Anderson in a deal back for Laine. There's nothing in it for them. It's a stupid suggestion.
I'll live.The mere offers of names like Anderson and Gallagher is reason enough to stop negotiations immediately. Whether you like it or not.
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Cause unless CBJ give away Laine for free or pay to trade him, no GM is taking his 8.7M$ contract too much risk
Same amount of $ attached. Thats the type of contract jackets will need to eat
It's always "damn, we almost missed 4:20" somewhere.Little early to hit the pipe, no?
Because they don't want Laine. For culture issuesHow do MTL fans see the most lopsided proposals in their favour and still find shit to complain about
CBJ fans need to understand
Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it any more true. The market is considerably reduced in a "take the whole contract back" scenario, true, but it's not nonexistent. You're projecting your own desired direction for your team on the 30 other possible destinations out there, and that's assuming that a trade will happen at all (Waddell has explicitly allowed for the possibility of keeping him).Cause unless CBJ give away Laine for free or pay to trade him, no GM is taking his 8.7M$ contract too much risk
In such a case one might have expected the complaints to be along the lines of not wanting Laine rather than "how dare you give up this one C-quality boom or bust prospect I've fallen in love with".Because they don't want Laine. For culture issues
So the fact we have the space means we should just take him and screw up our cap situation? Absolutely not. Habs are in such a great spot right now, why go away and screw it all up to take on 8.7M on the payroll?Little early to hit the pipe, no?
It's two years and the Habs have the space. No reason for Columbus to take either of them. It's counter-productive for them.
Not at all. You are free to say "no". But we are also free to then not do business with y'all, and you are not free to dictate terms to us.So the fact we have the space means we should just take him and screw up our cap situation?
For what? Columbus fans will buy popcorn and watch Waddell give you the middle finger, and you'll try to get Zegras for Anderson (and something) or Nečas for Gallagher (and something).No one will take Laine without another terrible contract heading the other way. The risk is too important.
CBJ fans need to understand that they won't get a grade A prospect or a top pick for Laine at 8.7M.
Theyll get a bad contract like Gallagher / Anderson and a combination of B prospects and 2nd rder like Farrell, Harris etc
Your second line is Newhook - Dach - Anderson/Gallagher. Your GM is under pressure to improve it. That goes for the 2025/26 season as well, because while Demidov is talented, I doubt he'll be able to radically improve that lineup that quickly. And Waddell can wait. Unless a good offer comes in, Laine and his agent know Patrik will start in Columbus.No matter how you dress it up, he's a risk.
Is Dubois a Hab? Then that should clear any question of how much of a risktaker Hughes is. If there is a trade with Montreal, it will be for much less then you think or it simply won't happen.
Lastly, Hughes is under ZERO pressure to make a trade. If he doesn't get his way, fine, it's a ten minute phone call between Pizza Pockets.
So the fact we have the space means we should just take him and screw up our cap situation? Absolutely not. Habs are in such a great spot right now, why go away and screw it all up to take on 8.7M on the payroll?
Sure Habs will take Laine without sending salary. We'll take your 1st to do so.
No matter how you dress it up, he's a risk.
Is Dubois a Hab? Then that should clear any question of how much of a risktaker Hughes is. If there is a trade with Montreal, it will be for much less then you think or it simply won't happen.
Lastly, Hughes is under ZERO pressure to make a trade. If he doesn't get his way, fine, it's a ten minute phone call between Pizza Pockets.
Nope, our timeliness starts in about 2 years. By that time Demidov is real.Your second line is Newhook - Dach - Anderson/Gallagher. Your GM is under pressure to improve it. That goes for the 2025/26 season as well, because while Demidov is talented, I doubt he'll be able to radically improve that lineup that quickly. And Waddell can wait. Unless a good offer comes in, Laine and his agent know Patrik will start in Columbus.
Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it any more true.
Not inherently, no. But the track record of folks who don't follow this team on predicting major trade returns we get is something beyond merely atrocious and into downright unreal. There has literally been no instance in the history of the CBJ where, when a major CBJ player is rumored to be on the market, the Jackets have ever actually gotten ripped off in the fashion so many love to confidently predict. Literally not once. The only times it's ever happened are when there were no rumors beforehand and thus everyone was taken by surprise. The big personnel fails that other folks do predict correctly are free agency signings, not trades.Indeed.![]()
Laine's value will be reflected once he's traded. Until then, it's all speculation... And being a CBJ fan doesn't make that speculation any more valid or credible.
He has several times said that if he doesn't get the former, he will proceed with the latter.Will Waddell find a deal he's feels is good enough? If not, will he risk the potential negative impact of keeping Laine there?
Not inherently, no. But the track record of folks who don't follow this team on predicting major trade returns we get is something beyond merely atrocious and into downright unreal. There has literally been no instance in the history of the CBJ where, when a major CBJ player is rumored to be on the market, the Jackets have ever actually gotten ripped off in the fashion so many love to confidently predict. Literally not once. The only times it's ever happened are when there were no rumors beforehand and thus everyone was taken by surprise. The big personnel fails that other folks do predict correctly are free agency signings, not trades.
So, again, it's not an inherent thing, no. But the track record of folks insisting we're doomed in a major trade has never once come to fruition as predicted. Ever.
There's a chance, of course, because there's a new guy at the helm than before... but right now the bulk of the predictions actually being brought forward are "he's next to worthless and you'll have to take back lots of cap" and that's not a high bar to clear.
He has several times said that if he doesn't get the former, he will proceed with the latter.
Simply not true. CBJ will just keep him if that's the only crap offered. The fan base has routinely said NO TERM GREATER THAN LAINE. What is so hard to understand about that? 2 years. Anything more than 2 years is dead in the water. And I think you under estimate NHL GMs.Cause unless CBJ give away Laine for free or pay to trade him, no GM is taking his 8.7M$ contract too much risk
Same amount of $ attached. Thats the type of contract jackets will need to eat
This is perfect because it sums up exactly everything CBJ fans haven't been saying, but everything Hab fans seem to be acting like CBJ fans are saying...Indeed.![]()
Laine's value will be reflected once he's traded. Until then, it's all speculation... And being a CBJ fan doesn't make that speculation any more valid or credible.
There are several factors at play that likely reduce his trade value. To suggest otherwise is to ignore very readily available precedent.
He's clearly a highly talented player, and young enough that he could very well return to elite level impact. Unfortunately for Jackets fans, with his public desire not to stay there, the odds of him returning to that level in your jersey is very low.
Will Waddell find a deal he's feels is good enough? If not, will he risk the potential negative impact of keeping Laine there?
We'll see is the only definitive thing anyone can state.
This is perfect because it sums up exactly everything CBJ fans haven't been saying, but everything Hab fans seem to be acting like CBJ fans are saying...
I have not seen, in any Laine thread, CBJ saying he didn't have reduced value or risk. I haven't seen any rational CBJ fan suggest a first and high prospect for no retention. Now I have seen that from fans other than CBJ use that as a rebuttal when we disagree that he's not a cap dump or has no value. Or when we indicate that the new GM is pushing for a hockey trade and is not willing to take back term longer than Laine as another teams cap dump.
We get it. He's not the Laine from his ELC days, but you know what? He's actually improved tremendously as a hockey player. He's been injured and thus his current cap hit and situation reduces his value. Reduces, not eliminates like its routinely being pushed, yet other fans still want him.
Habs don't want him? Fine. There are other teams in the NHL. Many with varying need and cap situations. CBJ is not strapped for the Cap and Laine still has more value than the proverbial Cap dump. Some can't seem to understand that.
Demidov will not come the next season. Also he is too young, you must wait so that he will be a leader. Btw, SKA agreed to Michkov leave for specific reasons. And the KHL is not a farm of the NHL. So, Demidov has a contract still one season and that's the end of it.Nope, our timeliness starts in about 2 years. By that time Demidov is real.