Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CHI] Kirby Dach for 2022 1st-round (13OA), 2022 3rd-round (66OA)

[goforit]

No idea how you could say it’s irrelevant. Forwards production reaches its peak from 23-27. This is a hawks team that isn’t competing for anything other than bottom for a good 4-5 years.

Nazar is 18, that means he’ll be 22/23

Dach is 21, that means he’ll be 25/26

Nevermind the fact we’ll be paying for UFA years on Dach and Nazar will be on his RFA contract.

I don’t really see the point of comparing the two at this point or in the future even if Dach is a 60-70 point center. Nazar will be fun to watch. They’re going to be different players. Regardless Dach may have been a red headed stepchild to Davidson who might’ve crippled his development ever worse off.

This all said I’m happy the kid is in a better locker room now. I feel bad he didn’t get the overall development being on the tire fire that was bowman’s wild ride. We had a lot of hope for him here in Chicago

I hope Hawks' management are planning to be competitive within 4-5 years. Otherwise, it's a very bad way to do business.

I know rebuilds take time, but you can't plan to be bad for that long (they've finished 20th or lower leaguewide for 5 years already). That would be pretty d*mn direspectful for the fans.

If they traded Dach because they didn't have faith in him anymore, then okay, good for them. But if they did it to fit the « rebuild window », to get the 13th pick, in like the weakest draft in recent history, without even knowing who'd be available... well that's just plain bad management.

 

[BHawk21]

What fits better?

A 21 year old who has very high potential and is playing in the NHL or a 18 year old who is not in the NHL and you hope he becomes a good one? What happens when the 18 year old disappoints? Nasar is not likely to be better then either of Romanov or Dach. Not impossible but not probable.

I think you should trade Reichel for another 1st in this next draft. He's going to be 21 on draft day. Too old for your rebuild

Says who? Also his names Nazar. They also drafted Gavin Hayes with that trade. Hes proving to be an asset as well.

If Reichels top point total in 2 years is 26 points then yes we would have to think about taking a 13th overall and 3rd for him.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Says who? Also his names Nazar. They also drafted Gavin Hayes with that trade. Hes proving to be an asset as well.

If Reichels top point total in 2 years is 26 points then yes we would have to think about taking a 13th overall and 3rd for him.

Good luck

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Blackhawks were def wrong on this kid.
That said we can't really roast them for it since the team we cheer for is literally Montreal , Kings of not being able to develop anybody in the history of ever. Glass house and stones and what not.

Dach is a BEAST tho wtf

 

[BHawk21]

Good luck

Thanks hope in the coming years he can catch Domi point totals.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Thanks hope in the coming years he can catch Domi point totals.

I think the Blackhawks traded Debrincat and Dach knowing they have a painful few years to come. Picks like Nasar are secondary type potential assets. They are shooting for Bedard and if they don't get it, they will keep trying.

How many years of misery did the Hawks go through before Kane and Toews were drafted? When rebuilding, you want your core players to be in a 5-8 year age span. Look at Tampa between Stamkos/Hedman vs Sergachev/Point. I believe that is 8 years?

By the time the Hawks potentially hit with two stars like Kane and Toews again and they are in the 23+ years, Debrincat and Dach might be 28-30+. Hawks made a very serious decision. Not an easy decision to make.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Thanks hope in the coming years he can catch Domi point totals.

Domi is a great player.

 

[BHawk21]

I think the Blackhawks traded Debrincat and Dach knowing they have a painful few years to come. Picks like Nasar are secondary type potential assets. They are shooting for Bedard and if they don't get it, they will keep trying.

How many years of misery did the Hawks go through before Kane and Toews were drafted? When rebuilding, you want your core players to be in a 5-8 year age span. Look at Tampa between Stamkos/Hedman vs Sergachev/Point. I believe that is 8 years?

By the time the Hawks potentially hit with two stars like Kane and Toews again and they are in the 23+ years, Debrincat and Dach might be 28-30+. Hawks made a very serious decision. Not an easy decision to make.

Nazar

 

[BHawk21]

10-16 range in drafts-

2021- Othmann Boucher Sillinger Cossa Rosen Coronato
2020-Perfetti Askarov Lundell Jarvis Holloway Amirov Ghule
2019- Podkolzen Soderstrom Boldy Knight York CAUFIELD Newhook
2018- Bouchard Wahlstrom Dobson Dellandrea Farabee Denisenko

There are plenty of guys that are drafted in the same range as Nazar that are much better assets then Dach and plenty that are worse. We will see.

 

[Rob Sense]

Dach looks pretty good playing on a AHL team. Wonder how he would do in a NHL role.

you mean dragging an AHL team to be competitive against NHL teams. They just gave Toronto and Boston a tough time.

 

[JRichard]

Says who? Also his names Nazar. They also drafted Gavin Hayes with that trade. Hes proving to be an asset as well.

If Reichels top point total in 2 years is 26 points then yes we would have to think about taking a 13th overall and 3rd for him.

Yes but its « worst draft in recent history », same draft that got them Slafkovsky, Mesar, Beck and Hutson who most of them pencil in as good ones.

but Nazar will bust.

this Chi-Mtl thing is childish at best.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes but its « worst draft in recent history », same draft that got them Slafkovsky, Mesar, Beck and Hutson who most of them pencil in as good ones.

but Nazar will bust.

this Chi-Mtl thing is childish at best.

Who knows where Slaf tops out at. The others are B+ types, not grade A's. Nazar is a potential B+ but is currently injured. Habs fans are aware some of our hopefuls will bust but they are on great development tracks so it's the best we can hope for. Nazar has to get back playing games and the Hawks go from there.

The main point here is Nazar is not likely to be as good or better than both of Romanov or Dach. Dach is passing the eye test by a fair margin and he's producing. He's showing his puck possession skills and ability to play physical. Not done growing yet.

 

[BHawk21]

Who knows where Slaf tops out at. The others are B+ types, not grade A's. Nazar is a potential B+ but is currently injured. Habs fans are aware some of our hopefuls will bust but they are on great development tracks so it's the best we can hope for. Nazar has to get back playing games and the Hawks go from there.

The main point here is Nazar is not likely to be as good or better than both of Romanov or Dach. Dach is passing the eye test by a fair margin and he's producing. He's showing his puck possession skills and ability to play physical. Not done growing yet.

Says who? your just making stuff up.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Says who?

Says me and probability supports it. Fans drool over draft picks all the time and in truth, there are not many who turn into top 6F or top 4D assets. A younger player producing in the NHL is worth more than Nazar today.

It's not impossible, but it's not probable. The secrete to drafting well is draft power. More darts the better. A team like Tampa drafted Keokkeok 10th and Vasilevskiy 19th. Drafted Masin, MacLeod before Point.

Nazar could end up being a good one but the hype on him was not higher than Dach on draft day. It's just not probable he turns into a solid top 6 asset. Not impossible, but it's not probable. Lets see how he looks next season and go from there.

Scouting is a tough game. Most of the development gains come after the draft.. age 18-21 years are critical.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Nazar will bust.

Shall I bookmark this for a couple years from now when you're dead wrong?

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Dach looks pretty good playing on a AHL team. Wonder how he would do in a NHL role.

Yes, an ok player gets enough minutes to produce on a very weak team. We have seen that story multiple times before.


Great trade by Chicago, I think.

 

[BHawk21]

Says me and probability supports it. Fans drool over draft picks all the time and in truth, there are not many who turn into top 6F or top 4D assets. A younger player producing in the NHL is worth more than Nazar today.

It's not impossible, but it's not probable. The secrete to drafting well is draft power. More darts the better. A team like Tampa drafted Keokkeok 10th and Vasilevskiy 19th. Drafted Masin, MacLeod before Point.

Nazar could end up being a good one but the hype on him was not higher than Dach on draft day. It's just not probable he turns into a solid top 6 asset. Not impossible, but it's not probable. Lets see how he looks next season and go from there.

Scouting is a tough game. Most of the development gains come after the draft.. age 18-21 years are critical.

They essentially got traded for each other. Montreal even added a 3rd. You cant stay this. They were literally worth the same plus add a 3rd to Nazar.

any evidence that would support your case would be welcomed but you are just literally making stuff up...

 

[Captain97]

Franchise players being throw around like it’s nothing. Since the lockout I can count on my hand how many there were:

Crosby, McDavid, MacKinnon, Price and Kane with Makar being close to be added to this list

Draisatl, Ovi, Malkin, Matthews, Stamkos pre injury?

 

[Habs Halifax]

They essentially got traded for each other. Montreal even added a 3rd. You cant stay this. They were literally worth the same plus add a 3rd to Nazar.

any evidence that would support your case would be welcomed but you are just literally making stuff up...

That's what the Blackhawks thought last year. Bookmark this. Let see where Romanov, Dach, and Nazar are in 3 years time. I doubt you will bet your house that Nazar ends up better.

 

[japhi]

From Chi's perspective, nothing has changed. They were moving on from him, right or wrong.

And the draft math on this remains the same, odds are the player drafted won't be better then the player they traded, even at the time of the trade. Upside, they could have added a star player. That is the risk they were willing to take, roll the dice and hope you land a significantly better player that will age in at a better time, offset by the fact the guy might never make an impact in the NHL

As a Habs fan I'm ecstatic with the trade, and I loved Romo. For those thinking this is good player looking great on bad team, I don't see it. He is playing same number of minutes he did in CHI and looks like the player he was projected to be.

 

[BHawk21]

That's what the Blackhawks thought last year. Bookmark this. Let see where Romanov, Dach, and Nazar are in 3 years time. I doubt you will bet your house that Nazar ends up better.

Why you keep talking about Romanov? I do not know.

Thats good that you think Dach is a very good player. I do not believe he would have made a significant difference to the franchise if he had stayed here.

That means the trade has worked out for both sides. Blackhawks are happy getting Nazar and Hayes.

 

[BHawk21]

From Chi's perspective, nothing has changed. They were moving on from him, right or wrong.

And the draft math on this remains the same, odds are the player drafted won't be better then the player they traded, even at the time of the trade. Upside, they could have added a star player. That is the risk they were willing to take, roll the dice and hope you land a significantly better player that will age in at a better time, offset by the fact the guy might never make an impact in the NHL

As a Habs fan I'm ecstatic with the trade, and I loved Romo. For those thinking this is good player looking great on bad team, I don't see it. He is playing same number of minutes he did in CHI and looks like the player he was projected to be.

Hes a quality NHL player. The ceiling is why Chicago took the "Risk"

 

[JRichard]

Shall I bookmark this for a couple years from now when you're dead wrong?

No need. If you read correctly, i question the fact Habs fans arguing in this thread say that Nazar will bust in weak draft while their (later) picks in same draft are steals. you can bookmark it for them as you wish.

 

[Lshap]

I have no idea why this thread is still relevant. It's pretty obvious Habs are thrilled with Dach. He's not just producing well against other teams' top lines, he's creating chances and is very strong on the puck.

So far, it's a great trade for Montreal. Hopefully, Nazar will work out well for Chicago.

 

[BHawk21]

I have no idea why this thread is still relevant. It's pretty obvious Habs are thrilled with Dach. He's not just producing well against other teams' top lines, he's creating chances and is very strong on the puck.

So far, it's a great trade for Montreal. Hopefully, Nazar will work out well for Chicago.

They are 2nd to last in the east and you dont know what you gave up so really you are just happy with the progress of Dach you dont know anything about the trade.