Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CBJ] Patrik Laine, '26 2nd for Jordan Harris

[SteelCityCannon]

This is a homerun for Hughes and just another step in the right direction to get us back in mix for playoffs and ultimately the SCF.

Laine getting you to the finals is certainly a take.

Ive posted in this thread numerous times that this is a no brianer deal for the habs, but Patty is the opposite what you want in a playoff performer.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Those are full seasons for him. We’re not talking one, two or even three years. He hasn’t played a full season in a very long time.

That’s who he now is. There’s nothing to suggest that’s gonna change. It’s like he just doesn’t enjoy playing the game. No shrink is gonna change that. Even now, wanting another fresh start.

There’s huge questions with him.

Circumstance matters. Go look up the talent Laine had with the Jets and then with the Jackets. Then also look at how that affected Gaudreau's production with the Flames vs Jackets. Playing with talent is a huge factor most overlook.

Huge questions yes but there is also huge potential and it didn't cost the Habs other than cap space. Space that could have went unused.

Laine getting you to the finals is certainly a take.

Ive posted in this thread numerous times that this is a no brianer deal for the habs, but Patty is the opposite what you want in a playoff performer.

The hot take is assuming it is only Laine leading that charge.

 

[CHaracter79]

The downside of this trade for Habs is.

Laine, Anderson, and Gallagher combining for 20.7M

ouchies

they already have about 8m of space this year and with ARMIA SAVARD and DVORAK coming off the books next summer and PETRY and ALLEN retentions too.. with price on LTIR and adding SLAFs new deal habs will still be at about 19m of cap space next summer.

with the 3 upcomin UFAs prob getting traded at deadline... and with 7 picks in first 94 in the draft (4 in first 40) the habs are settin themselves up for a great prospect pool and cap space in 2 seasons when itll be the real time to compete.

suzuki caufield laine slaf dach newhook demidov dobes fowler hage roy guhle reinbacher hutson wifi struble maiiloux will all be under the age of 28 in 2 years and only suzuki and laine will be over 25.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I can't stand the Habs, but this is a good move for them. I suspect that Laine is broken, but who the hell knows. If it doesn't work out . .. oh well. But if it does . . . watch out.

 

[CBJx614]

Circumstance matters. Go look up the talent Laine had with the Jets and then with the Jackets. Then also look at how that affected Gaudreau's production with the Flames vs Jackets. Playing with talent is a huge factor most overlook.

Huge questions yes but there is also huge potential and it didn't cost the Habs other than cap space. Space that could have went unused.



The hot take is assuming it is only Laine leading that charge.

That's all irrelevant if he can't stay healthy. No one should be question his production. He's capable of being an 80pt+ player. His production in Columbus went up on a worse team.


His biggest question mark is his ability to stay healthy. He has played 60 games in the entirety of his tenure in Columbus.

45, 55, 56, 18.

And those were never all in a row, he was constantly getting banged up and missing weeks at a time, only to come back slowly before seemingly putting it all together and playing well to inevitably get hurt again.


I hope he does well, but if he can't string together some full seasons he's never going to reach his potential.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The downside of this trade for Habs is.

Laine, Anderson, and Gallagher combining for 20.7M

ouchies

That means nothing because it didn't affect us from adding Laine's full cap hit and we are also still able to put Price's contract on LTIR after the season starts. Habs have lots of cap space and contracts like Gallagher, Anderson, Savard, Armia, Dvorak, and probably also Matheson are all gone in 3 seasons. That's a load of more available cap.

That's all irrelevant if he can't stay healthy. No one should be question his production. He's capable of being an 80pt+ player. His production in Columbus went up on a worse team.


His biggest question mark is his ability to stay healthy. He has played 60 games in the entirety of his tenure in Columbus.

45, 55, 56, 18.

And those were never all in a row, he was constantly getting banged up and missing weeks at a time, only to come back slowly before seemingly putting it all together and playing well to inevitably get hurt again.


I hope he does well, but if he can't string together some full seasons he's never going to reach his potential.

Lots of possibilities can happen. But I can't stress this enough... Laine is not coming to Montreal to be on a Island by himself. There is plenty of talent for him to work with and he doesn't have to be our best player. It's a great situation for Laine and the Habs. The risks are low even if he gets injured.

Blue Jackets didn't have much talent for Laine to work with. Spin that all you want but those were factors into his spiral.

 

[Whalers Fan]

His prime?? His best numbers were 6/7 seasons ago and he's never come close to even sniffing his numbers from his best season in 2017-18. Let's be real here.

Laine is 26 years old, so he's still in his prime years. If he can remain healthy, he's a top6 forward. If not, the Habs still were able to relieve a logjam they had at LD by trading Harris for an early 2nd round pick, which is a very good return for Harris. There is almost no risk to Montreal with this trade, with a big upside if Laine returns to any semblance of his old self.

 

[paragon]

I don't think it's crazy to think to that. I watched his full 26 minute interview (which you can find here Laine ‘super excited’ for new opportunity in Montreal | Montréal Canadiens ) and I get the feeling his focus is more on trying to win. He is saying all the right things and seems like he's in a good head space.

I wouldn't read too much into it. He's saying all the clichés he's expected to say. Jeff Carter is probably the only player in league history to not say that he's excited about his new team.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Laine is 26 years old, so he's still in his prime years. If he can remain healthy, he's a top6 forward. If not, the Habs still were able to relieve a logjam they had at LD by trading Harris for an early 2nd round pick, which is a very good return for Harris. There is almost no risk to Montreal with this trade, with a big upside if Laine returns to any semblance of his old self.

The Monahan trade worked out very well for the Habs and the Laine trade has the potential to be even better.

 

[Rcknrollkillnmachine]

Hell of a move.

No disrespect to the Jets or CBJ but this is the big time with the Habs so he either sinks or Olympic gold medal winnings swims to success as there will be no acceptance of just being decent with Laine hence it will be intriguing to see how he plays out.

Banking on seeing more Habs hats in Finland this coming season apart from Florida.

 

[pth2]

Laine getting you to the finals is certainly a take.

Ive posted in this thread numerous times that this is a no brianer deal for the habs, but Patty is the opposite what you want in a playoff performer.

If he works out and signs a cheaper deal, he could well be a 3d liner on a team that goes deep, like Kessel in PIT. Even if he doesn't carry a team, he has the kind of talent that will make opponents look bad when he's given opportunities.

 

[pth2]

Harris might have a long carreer, he'll never be a cornerstone piece in any specific role, but he could play 600 games and I wouldn't be surprised.

A good comparison for Jordan Harris might be Jon Merrill. Not a guy who wows anyone, but useful in all kinds of situations and now at 612 games played.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Seems to be... Go read any trade thread involving Habs.

They are flooded with those types of posts.

There are in particular a few posters who seem to lurk/troll every single Habs related thread and post the same crap in every one. It's a weird obsession.

Ok.

 

[pth2]

Kent Hughes strikes again!!

Best MTL GM in a long time...

Keep in mind, it's easy to win deals when you're selling off pieces and under no pressure to win, with an owner without budget constraints. Let's wait and see if Hughes manages to do well when he has specific gaps to fill, hard cap constraints, and everyone knows it.

 

[knight23]

Montreal just needs to get a star goaltender and I think they're set.

Montreal need Askarov.

 

[Albatros]

If he works out and signs a cheaper deal, he could well be a 3d liner on a team that goes deep, like Kessel in PIT. Even if he doesn't carry a team, he has the kind of talent that will make opponents look bad when he's given opportunities.

Despite playing a lot with Bonino and Hagelin, Kessel still got as much ice time as Malkin, second only to Crosby.

 

[JustAHabFan]

Keep in mind, it's easy to win deals when you're selling off pieces and under no pressure to win, with an owner without budget constraints. Let's wait and see if Hughes manages to do well when he has specific gaps to fill, hard cap constraints, and everyone knows it.

The Habs got a big hole in top 6 and he just fill the gap with Laine so I am not sure what you are talking about. On top he had done wonder managing capspace and turn available capspace to asset.

 

[dgibb10]

Circumstance matters. Go look up the talent Laine had with the Jets and then with the Jackets. Then also look at how that affected Gaudreau's production with the Flames vs Jackets. Playing with talent is a huge factor most overlook.

Huge questions yes but there is also huge potential and it didn't cost the Habs other than cap space. Space that could have went unused.



The hot take is assuming it is only Laine leading that charge.

Since I highly doubt Laine will move one of Caufield or Slafkofsky off line 1, how exactly is laine's talent around him improving?

MTL has one of the worse dcores in hockey, and going from Johnny Gaudreau down to probably some combo of Dach, Newhook, and Roy is certainly not an upgrade in forward talent around him

 

[Lshap]

That's all irrelevant if he can't stay healthy. No one should be question his production. He's capable of being an 80pt+ player. His production in Columbus went up on a worse team.


His biggest question mark is his ability to stay healthy. He has played 60 games in the entirety of his tenure in Columbus.

45, 55, 56, 18.

And those were never all in a row, he was constantly getting banged up and missing weeks at a time, only to come back slowly before seemingly putting it all together and playing well to inevitably get hurt again.


I hope he does well, but if he can't string together some full seasons he's never going to reach his potential.

This is fair. Health really is the main question mark. Other issues attached to Laine are less relevant or no longer applicable. He's recently made the right choices in his personal life and, at 26, is at the age when young men start getting their heads on straight.

I'd be thrilled if he settles in and reaches his potential. I'd be happy if he fits in as a complementary forward. In either case, Montreal should have room to sign him to a fair contract. But if he doesn't work out, he'll be gone within a season or two for a pick.

 

[kyne]

Montreal need Askarov.

Not really. Askarov at this point is no better or worse than what they have already. They have Fowler coming up who by all accounts is going to be very good. There is also Russian goalie Yevgeni Volohkin in the system who is having a terrific junior career so far. Goaltending depth is not a weakness.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Keep in mind, it's easy to win deals when you're selling off pieces and under no pressure to win, with an owner without budget constraints. Let's wait and see if Hughes manages to do well when he has specific gaps to fill, hard cap constraints, and everyone knows it.

The reason they are in the position they are is because of the good deals Hughes made to get here. Signing players on the cheap and trading for undervalued players who could turn it around. The core of the team is already locked up long term to very friendly deals.

 

[pth2]

The Habs got a big hole in top 6 and he just fill the gap with Laine so I am not sure what you are talking about. On top he had done wonder managing capspace and turn available capspace to asset.

Yes, but he had capspace to spare for both Monahan and Laine, and no pressure to win, and no pressure to limit spending.

He did well under favorable conditions, but other deals, like keeping Allen around all season and still needing a retention slot to move him, show he isn't working miracles.

 

[dgibb10]

Keep in mind, it's easy to win deals when you're selling off pieces and under no pressure to win, with an owner without budget constraints. Let's wait and see if Hughes manages to do well when he has specific gaps to fill, hard cap constraints, and everyone knows it.

Also important to note money in a market like MTL.

Teams like SJS, Buffalo, Anaheim have revenues around 160 mill (and got hit HARD by covid).

MTL has revenues at 260 mill+.

The other owners are likely a lot less willing to eat 23 million dollars on laine and monahan

 

[calder candidate]

As a MTL fan, I like the trade, go big or go home, not much to lose given limited need for cap space in the next two years.

That being said, if you look at the price of dumping salary right now, if Laine produces at a 0.5PPG and is useless defensively, this will be a major victory for CBJ to dump 8.7m for two years at no cost.

It s all on Laine now to prove if Hughes or Wadell wins that trade and to CBJ fans who don t know Harris, I think you re going to like him, he is the kind of guy who makes very few mistakes on the back end and has a good transition game.

MTL win the trade regardless, I see that it on Laine to make it one of the worst trade in history or just a gamble that didn't payoff.

I love Harris and he might be the habs most undervalued D but still everyone would have keep Hutson, Guhle and Xhekaj ahead of him and probably even Struble and Engstrom, so it isn't like the habs lost something since he was the oldest and most expensive out of that bunch, and will like require a raise for next season... Not sure any teams was willing to trade him for a early 2nd round pick considering MTL situation.
Even if Laine is a .5ppg player that probably worth it to MTL to be able to add that to their top 6 + it is probably worth close to 4-5M$ in the NHL... So you aren't dumping 8.7M$ your dumping 5M$ at best that might be worth a 1st round to dump that kind of cap hit, the CBJ 2nd will be fairly close to a late 1st round, so that isn't much of a saving + there always a chance that 26yo Laine could be better than a .5ppg player in which case you probably didn't need to pay to dump him.

 

[Andy]

The downside of this trade for Habs is.

Laine, Anderson, and Gallagher combining for 20.7M

ouchies

two of these things are not like the other.

In the last three seasons:

Anderson: 0.23 GPG, 0.39 PPG
Gallagher: 0.18 GPG, 0.406 PPG
Laine: 0.42 GPG, 0.91 PPG

The habs have almost 20 million in Armia, Gallagher, Dvorak, Anderson. Taking a gamble on Laine at 8 million isn't their problem.