Confirmed Trade: [MTL/CBJ] Patrik Laine, '26 2nd for Jordan Harris

[CBJx614]

Hard to trust others when there is limited talent around you. Look at Gaudreau's point totals between the Flames and Blue Jackets.

I think Scheifele was the best center Laine has played with. Who's the 2nd best? Seems to be a massive drop to the quality.

I think MSL is going to work with him on the flaws or areas of improvement. When to take chances and when not to.



In terms of maturity/experience, he can grow in that area. Puck management areas

Yet he was more productive in Columbus. He had talent around him, he just tried to do it all. Injuries just constantly derailed him.

They owe us for this

10 times that darn cannon went off, surprised they did not run out of gun powder

I was there for that game

We had gotten there late and just trying to get to our seats we heard it go off multiple times

 

[Favster]

[MOD]


that Cryptopsy pfp is such a throwback

I know their guitarist/producer Christian Donaldson quite well, really cool dude.

But ya back to Laine, I honestly don't know how anyone can look at this and see anything negative from a Habs perspective but hey, it is HF where people would rather be emotional (Habs haters) than rational. It gets really exhausting tbh.

 

[FerrisRox]

He played 400 minutes with each of them 5v5, making them his most common linemates by far.

In that time he put up 4 goals and 10 points alongside them. or a points/60 of 1.5, good for 280th in the league that year

He produced well on the power play (which he will likely no longer be on thanks to the addition of Patrick Laine).


If Cotter is a 4th line forward what does it say that he produces better than kirby dach?

Are you somehow incapable of feeling embarrassment?

 

[Eegs]

He's probably best cast as Kessel on a Hagelin - Bonino - Kessel as-3rd-line lineup configuration with 1st PP minutes.

That feels VERY premature without even letting him hit the ice with the team...

 

[Lazytrout]

I know their guitarist/producer Christian Donaldson quite well, really cool dude.

But ya back to Laine, I honestly don't know how anyone can look at this and see anything negative from a Habs perspective but hey, it is HF where people would rather be emotional (Habs haters) than rational. It gets really exhausting tbh.

The metal scene in montreal is a such a small world, I've met a lot of great musician like Dan Mongrain, Dominic Lapointe back when I'd hang out at every shows and the cafe chaos 15 years ago. So many great death metal bands from here like Quo Vadis, Cryptopsy (lord worm era), Gorguts, Martyr to name a few.

 

[pth2]

16 pts out of 38 is every single ounce of his production ?

And being good on the PP is a bad thing ?

PP points don't count, didn't you know that?
See Monahan, Sean.

 

[MXD]

That feels VERY premature without even letting him hit the ice with the team...

I mean, as a player type. I don't see him as well-rounded enough for first line duties.

 

[NotCommitted]

Yet he was more productive in Columbus. He had talent around him, he just tried to do it all. Injuries just constantly derailed him.

People sell his Columbus linemates short, it's not like Gaudreau, Voracek, Jenner or Nyquist are/were not very good hockey players. The biggest difference by far comparing to his WPG years is the D-men, their top-4 pairings were Morrissey-Trouba (who was actually pretty good back then, especially in that pairing they complemented each other very well) and Byfuglien-Enström/Chiarot. Compare that to CBJ defense he played with in 21/22 & 22/23...

That said, the difference to WPG is Laine in his productive CBJ seasons had the best P/GP of the team and his individual points percentage was crazy high, practically anytime the Jackets scored with Laine on ice, he had a point on it. CBJ has not been an easy environment to produce in, look at what happened to Gaudreau's totals, or conversely what happened to Nyquist once he got to Nashville.

 

[Lazytrout]

My bold prediction: we'll see the best of Laine in Montreal

 

[pth2]

This is going to get get Caufield more competitive IMO. Both are 40+ goal threats and I bet you these two will have a goal scoring competition

Also, having another scorer to key in on means Caufield won't always be facing the best defensemen or have his line be the focus of opponents gameplans.

 

[Favster]

The metal scene in montreal is a such a small world, I've met a lot of great musician like Dan Mongrain, Dominic Lapointe back when I'd hang out at every shows and the cafe chaos 15 years ago. So many great death metal bands from here like Quo Vadis, Cryptopsy (lord worm era), Gorguts, Martyr to name a few.

You might have seen my band play lol, must've played there like 20 times. I remember that crappy ''arghhhh'' beer too, man that stuff tasted like dog piss

 

[Lazytrout]

You might have seen my band play lol, must've played there like 20 times. I remember that crappy ''arghhhh'' beer too, man that stuff tasted like dog piss

Wow I had completely forgot about that beer, for good reasons
Foufs was the best with the $1 buds on saturdays, while cafe chaos always smelled damp and bad to me, it was small too but I had a lot of fun, don't think I've many shows there thought as it was so small.

 

[10Ducky10]

Yet he was more productive in Columbus. He had talent around him, he just tried to do it all. Injuries just constantly derailed him.


I was there for that game

We had gotten there late and just trying to get to our seats we heard it go off multiple times

Huh?
his lowest points total with the Jets was 50 when he scored 30 goals. He hasn't scored 30 goals in a season since he left the Jets.
Even his ppg is higher with the Jets.
How was he more productive in Columbus?

 

[danisonfire]

Huh?
his lowest points total with the Jets was 50 when he scored 30 goals. He hasn't scored 30 goals in a season since he left the Jets.
Even his ppg is higher with the Jets.
How was he more productive in Columbus?

Two of his best p/60 seasons were in Columbus in 21-22 (3.2 p/60) and 22-23 (3.0 p/60) where he had 109 points in 113 games. Second place was 17-18 in Winnipeg (3.1 p/60).

He was far from useless, let's put it that way. The talent is still there if St. Louis and Montreal can help him love hockey again.

 

[CBJx614]

Huh?
his lowest points total with the Jets was 50 when he scored 30 goals. He hasn't scored 30 goals in a season since he left the Jets.
Even his ppg is higher with the Jets.
How was he more productive in Columbus?

He scored 56 in 56 and 52 in 55 in his two healthiest seasons in Columbus.

 

[My3Sons]

This looks a lot like the Taylor Hall to NJ trade in how it plays out. Team trying to rebuild adds a prime wing. Has a couple of years left in his deal. Assume he bounces back and in thr last year of his deal MTL has a decision to make. Do they extend and pay him long term or do they ultimately accept he isn’t the fit they want? Smart move by MTL but maybe a bit premature.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

On vient d'aquerir un scoreur pure Laine!!

 

[stanley25]

Wow I had completely forgot about that beer, for good reasons
Foufs was the best with the $1 buds on saturdays, while cafe chaos always smelled damp and bad to me, it was small too but I had a lot of fun, don't think I've many shows there thought as it was so small.

5$ pitchers on Tuesday at Foufs was my go to in the early 2000's

 

[Guess]

Really happy that Went Wughes went with Laine instead of McGroarty, especially seeing that return, a rehabilitated Laine has more upside.

 

[Guess]

He's 26. He's not going to develop anymore. He is a finished product.

Wrong.

Look at Martin St Louis, he kept on developing and only broke out at 27 in Tampa. The Habs philosophy is based on players developing over their whole career, they've specifically said that they will hammer it into the heads of the players that development doesn't stop in your early twenties (not saying it will happen to everyone, like Josh Anderson who isn't capable of adapting, but no reason to think Laine cannot develop his defensive game and consistency).

Keep with those outdated beliefs, and I'll keep to mine thanks. Not saying it's bound to happen, but no reason to outright reject it like that.

 

[mattihp]

He's 26. He's not going to develop anymore. He is a finished product.

Sami Kapanen learned to back-check at 29 pretty much, learned to be an effective two-way player in his 30s and to be an NHL-level defenseman at 32.

 

[10Ducky10]

Two of his best p/60 seasons were in Columbus in 21-22 (3.2 p/60) and 22-23 (3.0 p/60) where he had 109 points in 113 games. Second place was 17-18 in Winnipeg (3.1 p/60).

He was far from useless, let's put it that way. The talent is still there if St. Louis and Montreal can help him love hockey again.

I didn't say he was useless.

 

[danisonfire]

I didn't say he was useless.

I didn't say that you did. It is a figure of speech. He had two really good years in Columbus.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

He's 26. He's not going to develop anymore. He is a finished product.

It's not really about development with Laine. It's about getting his confidence back up and have him love playing hockey again.

Marty is the perfect coach for that

https://x.com/i/web/status/1825646968330400085

 

[Guess]

It's not really about development with Laine. It's about getting his confidence back up and have him love playing hockey again.

Marty is the perfect coach for that

https://x.com/i/web/status/1825646968330400085

It's a combination of both, if we want to get the best possible player. If he's playing 20 minutes a game you can be sure the coaching staff makes him put as much work into his defensive game as they're doing with Caufield.

Having him confident and enjoying himself makes it easier to have that inner belief and growth mindset.