(MTL) Arber Xhekaj has been fined $3,385.42

[NyQuil]

I am not aware of the case? What had he done then?

He had a friend lay down a bet for him in the US while he was in Canada.

 

[FMichael]

Match made in heaven...Or Montreal?

 

[Dr Pepper]

I am not aware of the case? What had he done then?

Pinto was supposedly reprimanded for "violating the NHL's gambling rules" - but the league even said there's no evidence he gambled on NHL games.

So essentially they kicked him out for half a season for throwing some bets on some out of town football games.

Pinto says gambling suspension was result of proxy betting

Ottawa Senators forward Shane Pinto lifted the lid on his 41-game suspension for violating the NHL's gambling rules. "I had my buddies - because I was in Canada - just place bets for me in America," he explained during a recent appearance on the "Empty Netters" podcast. "I wasn't a Canadian...

www.thescore.com

Ottawa Senators forward Shane Pinto lifted the lid on his 41-game suspension for violating the NHL's gambling rules.

"I had my buddies - because I was in Canada - just place bets for me in America," he explained during a recent appearance on the "Empty Netters" podcast. "I wasn't a Canadian citizen so I couldn't really use a Canadian sportsbook. ... That's proxy betting, so that's obviously a big no-no. It was an illegal act so, obviously, it was a pretty big deal.

"So that's why we didn't want to fight (the suspension) and we just kinda accepted it."

The league announced that Pinto would be banned for half the 2023-24 campaign in late October, marking the NHL's first betting-related ban in the world of online wagering. There was no evidence to suggest that Pinto bet on NHL games.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I'm sure it's a very serious issue in terms of the credibility of sports betting.

But what you are also saying is that it's a lot more important than the safety and well-being of the players.

You want to go on sliperry slope but yes integrity of the sport is more important than injury in a physical sports that player accept the consequences of potential long term physical damage. There have been whisper of former players suing the league for it but I am not sure of what happened with it.

If all the players refused to play or asked their rep to protect them more or enforce stricter rules to prevent them they should do it but so far they have not.

Paré can also sue or pursue Xhekaj in court if he feels that he was assaulted like Moore did with Bertuzzi but I am pretty sure he won't.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

You do realize x kept his gloves on so he wouldn’t break his hands, right?
If this fine is the precedent for attacking another player from behind and repainting them in the back of the head then what does the league do if it’s a star player who is attacked? The precedent is there and the NHLPA would win an appeal if the DOPS tried to hand out a suspension.

Of course I realize that. He would have been stupid to remove his glove. I never mentioned his glove, just Bertuzi's. I mentioned his to illustrate the brutality and intent with the placement of his gloved sucker.
I'm honestly not even defending Arber's actions. Just trying to keep the on ice crimes in perspective

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Pinto was supposedly reprimanded for "violating the NHL's gambling rules" - but the league even said there's no evidence he gambled on NHL games.

So essentially they kicked him out for half a season for throwing some bets on some out of town football games.

Pinto says gambling suspension was result of proxy betting

Ottawa Senators forward Shane Pinto lifted the lid on his 41-game suspension for violating the NHL's gambling rules. "I had my buddies - because I was in Canada - just place bets for me in America," he explained during a recent appearance on the "Empty Netters" podcast. "I wasn't a Canadian...

www.thescore.com

He violated a rule obviously. He did sign a contract and accepted the consequence like all players to oblige to these rules. He did something illegal in term of the NHL gambling policies and was suspended for it.

 

[Fatass]

Of course I realize that. He would have been stupid to remove his glove. I never mentioned his glove, just Bertuzi's. I mentioned his to illustrate the brutality and intent with the placement of his gloved sucker.
I'm honestly not even defending Arber's actions. Just trying to keep the on ice crimes in perspective

Both attacks are quite similar the difference is the injury resulting from the Bertuzzi attack. This is where the league fails in their consequences for actions, especially when factoring in head injuries and their latent effects.

 

[cowboy82nd]

I'm sure it's a very serious issue in terms of the credibility of the sport and sports betting.

But what you are also saying is that it's a lot more important than the safety and long-term well-being of the players.

You do realize that Shane Pinto did not gamble on any NHL games. He had a friend lay a bet down in a different jurisdiction on his behalf.

That's like saying that Pete Rose didn't bet on baseball games. He just had his friend places bets for him on his behalf.

 

[NyQuil]

He violated a rule obviously. He did sign a contract and accepted the consequence like all players to oblige to these rules. He did something illegal in term of the NHL gambling policies and was suspended for it.

Xhekaj also violated a rule and it cost him 3K as opposed to half of his annual salary.

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Similar in that a scrub took out a star player and then didn't answer the bell, forcing the other team's tough guy to chase them around the ice and deliver a shot to the head? Sure, they're similar in that sense I suppose.

"Forcing" him to chase him around and punch him in the back of the head? lol. Was someone blackmailing Xhekaj into taking a cheapshot? The league should really look into that.

 

[NyQuil]

That's like saying that Pete Rose didn't bet on baseball games. He just had his friend places bets for him on his behalf.

We’re not talking about a bookie here.

They know exactly what bets were made and on what games and for how much because the friend used Shane Pinto’s electronic account to do it.

Shane is not allowed to bet on sports using Canadian betting sites because he is not a Canadian citizen.

 

[BlueSeal]

Xhekaj already beat the brakes off Pare to the point he was fined and half of you are in tears over it so this makes literally no sense

But but Pare is just a scrub, he'll never make the NHL, YOU DON'T UNDERSTANDDDDDD

But wait. Yes. Yes, you do understand .

 

[Marlowe Syn]

I'm not sure what's more laughable...

1. Pretending they're "Not similar unless you squint" when both literally chased down a guy, grabbed him by the jersey, and sucker punched him from behind.

Or:

2. Pretending Bertuzzi deliberately angled Moore head first downward and drove him into the ice, when what actually happened is he already had hold on Moore and KO'ed him with a sucker punch, sending them both down.

And that's not meant to absolve Bertuzzi. Him sucker punching Moore absolutely caused it. The point is if WiFi had KO'ed Pare we could be potentially dealing with the exact same problem.

To be fair I never used the word drove. I was conscious of that, hence the awkward leverage line. Arber swung Pare around, not down to the ice. That is a big difference. His intent looked to me like he just wanted to beat the shit out of Pare. I don't fully blame him, but also see he got off light.

 

[Dr Pepper]

"Forcing" him to chase him around and punch him in the back of the head? lol. Was someone blackmailing Xhekaj into taking a cheapshot? The league should really look into that.

Forcing, leading to, however you'd care to phrase it, just saying if Pare had just dropped the gloves this thread wouldn't be on page 19.

Or, again, if the on-ice officials were capable of making the correct call and throwing Pare in the box, it coud've at least alleviated some tension instead of just allowing it to boil over like it did.

 

[Marlowe Syn]

Both attacks are quite similar the difference is the injury resulting from the Bertuzzi attack. This is where the league fails in their consequences for actions, especially when factoring in head injuries and their latent effects.

While I don't fully agree on the similarity thing, I do think we are both on the same side here. Just different perspectives.

 

[cowboy82nd]

We’re not talking about a bookie here.

They know exactly what bets were made and on what games and for how much because the friend used Shane Pinto’s electronic account to do it.

Shane is not allowed to bet on sports using Canada betting sites because he is not a Canadian citizen.

Pete Rose used a friend to go to the bookie. I think his name was Paul Janszen?? I could be wrong about the name.

 

[Dr Pepper]

He violated a rule obviously. He did sign a contract and accepted the consequence like all players to oblige to these rules. He did something illegal in term of the NHL gambling policies and was suspended for it.

Right, and I'm not saying he didn't.

But it's definitely interesting to see what the league considers worthy of the harshest punishment.

Cheap shots, slewfoots, dangerous plays? Couple games, MAYBE, or a fine that is equivalent to a drop in the bucket.

Betting on a different sport? Suspended HALF THE SEASON without mercy.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

To be fair I never used the word drove. I was conscious of that, hence the awkward leverage line. Arber swung Pare around, not down to the ice. That is a big difference. His intent looked to me like he just wanted to beat the shit out of Pare. I don't fully blame him, but also see he got off light.

... If he knocks Pare out he doesn't really have the option of swinging him around. Pare drops. That's kinda the whole point. I don't think Bertuzzi intended to paralyze Moore either.

 

[NyQuil]

Pete Rose used a friend to go to the bookie. I think his name was Paul Janszen?? I could be wrong about the name.

The point is that he didn’t bet on hockey games because they have a complete record of all transactions on his account.

Shane wasn’t exactly trying to cover his tracks by using his own account in the US.

He wasn’t suspended because he gambled, or because he gambled on hockey, but because he engaged in proxy betting.

 

[4thline]

Forcing, leading to, however you'd care to phrase it, just saying if Pare had just dropped the gloves this thread wouldn't be on page 19.

If X wanted Pare to drop the gloves he should have given him a fair chance to do so.

When was Pare supposed to drop 'em, when he was spinning off balance and X was already in the process of dropping his stick and grabbing him, or a second and half later when X had him horsecollared and an arm cocking back?

The code obliged Pare to fight at some point- it doesn't mean he's obliged to legitimize being jumped

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Xhekaj also violated a rule and it cost him 3K as opposed to half of his annual salary.

As I have said, I am all in for the players to make noise to their PA about it but they have not and most likely never will.

We can cry at every cheapshots that get fined it is not an exception this is nothing new and you can claim on social message boards or twitter that it is unacceptable but if the players don't do anything about it. That will never change.

Right, and I'm not saying he didn't.

But it's definitely interesting to see what the league considers worthy of the harshest punishment.

Cheap shots, slewfoots, dangerous plays? Couple games, MAYBE, or a fine that is equivalent to a drop in the bucket.

Betting on a different sport? Suspended HALF THE SEASON without mercy.

I swear you have never watched the game or what.. this is nothing NEW, this is recurrent year after year. The NHL has always been like that and unless the players take charge on their own, it will never change. Cry about it if you want but that will not change unless the players truly want it to change.

In the case of the gambling suspension it is not the NHL player safety board that is in charge and that is why the suspension is very different.

 

[NyQuil]

As I have said, I am all in for the players to make noise to their PA about it but they have not and most likely never will.

We can cry at every cheapshots that get fined it is not an exception this is nothing new and you can claim on social message boards or twitter that it is unacceptable but if the players don't do anything about it. That will never change.

I don't think that's necessarily true at all.

Historically, players were not in favour of mandatory helmet use.

They had to grandfather it in as a compromise which is why we still saw Brad Marsh and Craig MacTavish and Guy Lafleur skating around without them.

The problem is that suspensions to promote player safety takes money out of the pockets of players and that’s the main reason why they have a union.

 

[Cap'n Flavour]

Forcing, leading to, however you'd care to phrase it, just saying if Pare had just dropped the gloves this thread wouldn't be on page 19.

Or, again, if the on-ice officials were capable of making the correct call and throwing Pare in the box, it coud've at least alleviated some tension instead of just allowing it to boil over like it did.

I'm willing to bet that if the refs had only given Pare a minor, or hell a major but not a game misconduct, more or less the same thing would have happened after he got out of the box. Of course we'll never know for sure.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I don't think that's necessarily true at all.

Historically, players were not in favour of mandatory helmet use.

They had to grandfather it in as a compromise which is why we still saw Brad Marsh and Craig MacTavish and Guy Lafleur skating around without them.

Some NHL players did contest the ruling of the helmet usage and agreed on a deal on a compromise as you stated but it also applied for visors.

The issue is that NHL players have not asked the NHL to change the rules and everytime the NHL want to ban all sort of fights or illegal hits there are huge pushback from the players and even the fans.

Maybe if the players wanted to protect themselves they would ask the PA to accept the NHL desire to start banning fights and then we would start seeing more severe punishment for illegal actions like that.

 

[NyQuil]

Some NHL players did contest the ruling of the helmet usage and agreed on a deal on a compromise as you stated but it also applied for visors.

The issue is that NHL players have not asked the NHL to change the rules and everytime the NHL want to ban all sort of fights or illegal hits there are huge pushback from the players and even the fans.

Maybe if the players wanted to protect themselves they would ask the PA to accept the NHL desire to start banning fights and then we would start seeing more severe punishment for illegal actions like that.

There's a tension between "let the players decide the risks that they are willing to accept playing hockey" and "players are not health and safety experts and shouldn't be relied upon to make these kids of decisions".

The macho hockey culture exists and it will take a lot for a player to admit that they feel unsafe out there.

I remember cringing at how many OHL players had their helmets tilted back as far as humanly possible so that their visors were perched on their foreheads.