Speculation: MSG reclocation?

[rangersfansince08]

Kathy Hochul is preparing to relocate Madison Square Garden (buffalochronicle.com)

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[nyr2k2]

I feel like this comes up every five or so years.

I like MSG where it is. I liked it there when I lived in NY and where I live now.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Is Dolan really going to want to shell out for a new arena after the billion dollar renovation the current one just had like 5 years ago?

 

[Chaels Arms]

If the governor of NY says a construction project can be completed in "as little as three years" be prepared to wait at least ten.

 

[rangersfansince08]

If the governor of NY says a construction project can be completed in "as little as three years" be prepared to wait at least ten.

Yea they should probably start looking into 8G internet technology for the new arena. And if its supposed to cost 800 million expect it to cost 2 billion.

 

[Ruggs225]

Oh Hochul, can we start smaller. Like renaming Cuomo bridge back to the Tappen Zee

 

[Ruggs225]

Also i might add, why do we have to change names. Its is Penn Station. Just let it be called Penn Station.

its just a waste of money to rename. And there is no purpose. Is Penn station offensive?

There is no good reason to change names.

i also hope that the new MSG is still called MSG.

and i am not against this project. Actually dont mind it at all. But it will cost a ton more then Hochul is saying it will.

 

[will1066]

Oh Hochul, can we start smaller. Like renaming Cuomo bridge back to the Tappen Zee

LOL

 

[broadwayblue]

Tappan Zee. And how much does it cost to change the name of a bridge? Is it really worth it? Did they really have to change Tri-Borough to RFK? So dumb.

 

[Crease]

Wake me up when they actually break ground.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Its one of those things where if everything goes right this is amazing. But it won't imo.

-need some sort of transportation
-will they get the starchitect they want? Also pick the best person for the job. Who cares about ties to NY?
-able to stay on budget
-able to stay on time

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Wake me up when they actually break ground.

This does seem to have far more credibility than other movement reports in the past, though since there seems to be agreement with a number of folks involved.

 

[cheech70]

This does seem to have far more credibility than other movement reports in the past, though since there seems to be agreement with a number of folks involved.

and financing thru the last covid recovery bill passed by congress

 

[IronBloodedLion]

MSG is in such a great spot. It’s a central hub that all New Yorkers can get to, why change that? Dolan is right to have his concerns. Oh my God, I’ve agreed with Dolan twice over the last year.

 

[ArPanet]

considering how frequently unsuccessful teams suddenly become contenders upon moving to a new venue we should probably consider this an exciting proposal

 

[Cmox]

Its one of those things where if everything goes right this is amazing. But it won't imo.

-need some sort of transportation
-will they get the starchitect they want? Also pick the best person for the job. Who cares about ties to NY?
-able to stay on budget
-able to stay on time

You know this will never happen. They’ll probably go the nepotism route or person who pumps up her reputation best.

 

[DutchNYR]

Yea they should probably start looking into 8G internet technology for the new arena. And if its supposed to cost 800 million expect it to cost 2 billion.

I feel it will be the other way around. According to some, by the time 8G has arrived, the mutants that come out of its radiation will start to spew out arenas themselves.

 

[rangersfansince08]

You know this will never happen. They’ll probably going the nepotism route or person who pumps up her reputation best.

The Eric Adams strategy - Be someone's brother or have the right skin color/genitals

 

[noupf]

Anybody who lives in NYC or is intimately knowledgeable about NYC logistics care to comment.......

How exactly would you get from Penn / Grand Central Station to the proposed new arena location? I would have to assume it would be a complete shit show and nothing short of a major inconvenience for anybody who takes a train into NYC correct?

 

[rangersfansince08]

Anybody who lives in NYC or is intimately knowledgeable about NYC logistics care to comment.......

How exactly would you get from Penn / Grand Central Station to the proposed new arena location? I would have to assume it would be a complete shit show and nothing short of a major inconvenience for anybody who take a train into NYC correct?

Honestly it'd be quickest to walk imo. Crosstown buses are atrocious.

 

[clmetsfan]

Anybody who lives in NYC or is intimately knowledgeable about NYC logistics care to comment.......

How exactly would you get from Penn / Grand Central Station to the proposed new arena location? I would have to assume it would be a complete shit show and nothing short of a major inconvenience for anybody who takes a train into NYC correct?

Honestly, barring new subway lines, putting an arena in that area of Hell's Kitchen would be a nightmare commute. It's at least a 15-20 minute walk from the nearest subway station (either Columbus Circle or 50th and 8th), and the closest mass transit hub is Port Authority at 41st and 8th. There's just no easy way to get there right now.

 

[noupf]

Honestly it'd be quickest to walk imo. Crosstown buses are atrocious.

Honestly, barring new subway lines, putting an arena in that area of Hell's Kitchen would be a nightmare commute. It's at least a 15-20 minute walk from the nearest subway station (either Columbus Circle or 50th and 8th), and the closest mass transit hub is Port Authority at 41st and 8th. There's just no easy way to get there right now.

Yea, thats what i thought. By my quick math, it looks like 4 blocks west and about 20 blocks north..............yea, thats convenient for almost............ nobody.

Great plan. I'd expect nothing less from the stellar leadership group in the great state of New York.

Bravo, bravo.

 

[romba]

Sources say that Dolan is “generally onboard” with Hochul’s proposal, but is concerned that the Dewitt Clinton Park site is located a full four city blocks from the nearest subway station at Times Square. He thinks the obstacle could most easily be resolved by constructing a 1.5-mile light rail train on 53rd Street, from Dewitt Clinton Park to Second Avenue. That at-grade light rail would transport riders from the arena site to subway stations across Midtown and would cost between $300 million and $400 million.

Dolan 'generally on board' if the mass transit is better, and I'm sure he'll also want his permanent property tax exemption to travel to the new site. Where exactly do they have room to construct this at grade crosstown lightrail line to connect to the subways? And who would fund the new arena? Dolan? Tax payers? Both?

 

[Crease]

This proposal seems very expensive to the taxpayer. What is the payoff?

 

[clmetsfan]

Yea, thats what i thought. By my quick math, it looks like 4 blocks west and about 20 blocks north..............yea, thats convenient for almost............ nobody.

Great plan. I'd expect nothing less from the stellar leadership group in the great state of New York.

Bravo, bravo.

I can't stop laughing at this quote from the article: "The new arena is expected to be a super-modern, super-comfortable venue in a corner of Manhattan that is very centrally located but doesn’t feel as hyper-congested and gritty as the 33rd Street location," an official with Empire State Development explains.

Someday maybe they'll decide it's a good idea to leave the planning for major city venues to someone who actually spends time in the city. Dewitt Clinton Park is on the extreme west side of Manhattan and, as stated, has no transit locations within a mile. It's insanity.