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So, you have no idea why Juulsen only played 26 games in the AHL ?
Because the Habs D-core is terrible after Weber got injured. Which got him call-upcall up. Same reason they played Mete when he should have been in London since November.

Another question, why is Juulsen and Mete ahead of Travis Dermott if you value AHL and NHL contribution so highly. I mean, he's still a prospect.
 

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Because the Habs D-core is terrible after Weber got injured. Which got him call-upcall up. Same reason they played Mete when he should have been in London since November.

Another question, why is Juulsen and Mete ahead of Travis Dermott if you value AHL and NHL contribution so highly. I mean, he's still a prospect.
Guess again, you got it wrong !

(Well, I guess you get bonus point because the habs Dsquad is indeed really bad.)
 

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Guess again, you got it wrong !
If you are talking about his injury in training camp fine, but the NHL cut into that.

Again, why isn't Dermott ranked. He easily outperformed both Juulsen and Mete in the NHL, is from the same draft with Juulsen, and played less NHL games than Mete.
 

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I doubt you even watched most of these prospects :dunno:
I haven’t. But I didn’t make a list just plugging my own teams prospects into the list either. No other list I’ve seen has 4 Habs in the top 50. If you didn’t watch these players what makes you qualified to plug your teams prospects so high?
I’ll leave it at that.
 

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If you are talking about his injury in training camp fine, but the NHL cut into that.

Again, why isn't Dermott ranked. He easily outperformed both Juulsen and Mete in the NHL, is from the same draft with Juulsen, and played less NHL games than Mete.
I don't believe Dermott outplayed Mete in the NHL, and I don't believe he outplayed Juulsen in the AHL. Juulsen carried the Rockets defensively for a good 20 games once he got confortable (Yay!) after his injury. I think they're all similar level defenders, again. Juulsen, Mete and Liljegren have the better tools and the better upside and Dermott is similar to Juulsen in NHL readiness but just doesn't possess the skating/shooting/size combo Juulsen has, I don't believe Dermott has it in him to be more than a 2nd pairing D, the other three do.
 

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I haven’t. But I didn’t make a list just plugging my own teams prospects into the list either. No other list I’ve seen has 4 Habs in the top 50. If you didn’t watch these players what makes you qualified to plug your teams prospects so high?
I’ll leave it at that.
I watched every single one of these prospects though, thats what I do, mostly, when the NHL team sucks.

Anyhow, Id rather you comment on the list than comment on me watching or not watching.
 

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I doubt he’s even watched most of these prospects.

I know he hasnt

I wont see prospects in the europe unless some one posts a specific link which is rarely. I wont see the CHL. I brought up guys in the U18 NTDP that I have seen in the limited NCAA Games they play because I have access to NCAA live because I am alumni. There is no way he can have seen half the guys he brings up because they dont broadcast the games.
 
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I don't believe Dermott outplayed Mete in the NHL, and I don't believe he outplayed Juulsen in the AHL. Juulsen carried the Rockets defensively for a good 20 games once he got confortable (Yay!) after his injury. I think they're all similar level defenders, again. Juulsen, Mete and Liljegren have the better tools and the better upside and Dermott is similar to Juulsen in NHL readiness but just doesn't possess the skating/shooting/size combo Juulsen has, I don't believe Dermott has it in him to be more than a 2nd pairing D, the other three do.
Juulsen has done nothing to show he has significantly higher potential than Dermott. Dermott is a better skater than Juulsen, so I don't know why you'd point to skating.

You are clearly overrating your own team. From putting Kotkaniemi significantly ahead of Tkachuk and Zadina. Nowhere was Kotkaniemi that far ahead of any of those guys. And then by putting Pohling, Mete, and Juulsen in your top 40. Mete had shown limited offensive upside, and to claim Juulsen and Mete have first pair upside while Dermott doesn't just borders on ridiculous. You also completely ignored Thomas Chabot, who should still be a prospect, considering he hasn't played over 65 games, unless you are going to use Calder candidacy, which would then eliminate people like Mete. This list lacks consistency.
 

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I watched every single one of these prospects though, thats what I do, mostly, when the NHL team sucks.

Anyhow, Id rather you comment on the list than comment on me watching or not watching.
For me the value of any list depends on how much the person making the list watched prospects other than their own. From your comments I doubt you watched many of these players other than your own so that tells me it’s not really worth commenting on specific players.
 

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I know he hasnt

I wont see prospects in the europe unless some one posts a specific link which is rarely. I wont see the CHL. I brought up guys in the U18 NTDP that I have seen in the limited NCAA Games they play because I have access to NCAA live because I am alumni. There is no way he can have seen half the guys he brings up because they dont broadcast the games.
Which games aren't broadcasted ? You can ask me anytime you want to watch a dude, I'll find a feed. (Obviously in the season.) Finding games is surprisingly easy when you know where to look.

I also have the full CHL package, so yeah.
 

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Juulsen has done nothing to show he has significantly higher potential than Dermott. Dermott is a better skater than Juulsen, so I don't know why you'd point to skating.

You are clearly overrating your own team. From putting Kotkaniemi significantly ahead of Tkachuk and Zadina. Nowhere was Kotkaniemi that far ahead of any of those guys. And then by putting Pohling, Mete, and Juulsen in your top 40. Mete had shown limited offensive upside, and to claim Juulsen and Mete have first pair upside while Dermott doesn't just borders on ridiculous. You also completely ignored Thomas Chabot, who should still be a prospect, considering he hasn't played over 65 games, unless you are going to use Calder candidacy, which would then eliminate people like Mete. This list lacks consistency.
I consider Chabot graduated, just like I consider a guy like Scherback or White graduated. Their spot with their teams are pretty much guaranteed.

I think Mete and Dermott are close in potential, both likely top out as a player you plug in next to a great D and they thrived but don't actually carry a pairing all that well. Also, I had Zadina and Tkachuk behind Kotkaniemi since like... Yeah February ? So I don't know, call me biased.
 

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For me the value of any list depends on how much the person making the list watched prospects other than their own. From your comments I doubt you watched many of these players other than your own so that tells me it’s not really worth commenting on specific players.
Fair enough, thats your opinion, why are you even posting then ? I'm here for honest conversations, not to get attacked on my integrity.
 

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Which games aren't broadcasted ? You can ask me anytime you want to watch a dude, I'll find a feed. (Obviously in the season.) Finding games is surprisingly easy when you know where to look.

I also have the full CHL package, so yeah.
I’m calling BS.
I’ve looked at a lot of lists and most have one or at the most two Habs on it. You have every single one of them ranked higher than they should be.
I’m out of here to go read more objective prospect info from people who have actually watched them and can report objectively. Not just pumping their own team.
 

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I consider Chabot graduated, just like I consider a guy like Scherback or White graduated. Their spot with their teams are pretty much guaranteed.

I think Mete and Dermott are close in potential, both likely top out as a player you plug in next to a great D and they thrived but don't actually carry a pairing all that well. Also, I had Zadina and Tkachuk behind Kotkaniemi since like... Yeah February ? So I don't know, call me biased.
I just think your ranking of Pohling, Mete and Juulsen reflect a bias, whether intentional or not, due to either watching more of them or them being part of your team. Neither are that many spots ahead of Liljegren or Dermott and done anything to really prove it. Now, if you had one or two ahead maybe I wouldn't question your objectivity, but when you put all 3 significantly ahead, it makes me suspect.

You also need a real standard of what makes someone graduated. Not an arbitrary, I think this guy is graduated. Set a clear data point that makes someone graduated, whether it is the sites 65 game rule, they are currently on an NHL roster or they no longer have Calder eligibility. Make it something that is clearly tangible.
 

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Any other comments on anything else than integrity ?

Why is it fine to rank Frost at 38, but Poehling at 37 is heresy ? I consider Frost, Poehling, Thomas, Kostin, all similarly leveled prospect, is that really wrong when you think of it ?
Why is it fine to rank Lundkvist at 33 but Juulsen/Mete at 39/40 being biased ? Maybe I'm biased towards the rangers.. I have four of their prospects in the top 35!
 

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I think Glass's offensive toolkit is just much better than Thomas, and they both showed it this season, Glass producing arcade numbers and Thomas producing really good numbers. I think Thomas is a good prospect, I just question his upside in the NHL, I really don't see the game to be a number one center, whereas, with guys like Vilardi and Glass, I see it.
So 1.59 PPG is arcade numbers and 1.53 PPG (in a lower scoring league) is just really good? Are you not taking WJC or playoff performance into account?
 
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I’m calling BS.
I’ve looked at a lot of lists and most have one or at the most two Habs on it. You have every single one of them ranked higher than they should be.
I’m out of here to go read more objective prospect info from people who have actually watched them and can report objectively. Not just pumping their own team.

It's one thing to make a list, which is fine. Everyone does it.

But to claimed to have watched countless games in every league for the last few years. I mean come on.
SHL, Liiga, AHL, KHL, CHL (WHL, QMJHL, OHL) NCAA USHL, Czech.
 
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I just think your ranking of Pohling, Mete and Juulsen reflect a bias, whether intentional or not, due to either watching more of them or them being part of your team. Neither are that many spots ahead of Liljegren or Dermott and done anything to really prove it. Now, if you had one or two ahead maybe I wouldn't question your objectivity, but when you put all 3 significantly ahead, it makes me suspect.

You also need a real standard of what makes someone graduated. Not an arbitrary, I think this guy is graduated. Set a clear data point that makes someone graduated, whether it is the sites 65 game rule, they are currently on an NHL roster or they no longer have Calder eligibility. Make it something that is clearly tangible.
Liljegren wouldve been 51. Thats 11 spots from Mete, also I won't rank Juulsen/Mete twenty spots apart, they are literally neck and neck and most of the time I can't decide which one is better than the other.

My criteria is simple, a graduated prospect is a prospect in which his NHL future is incertain.
 

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So 1.59 PPG is arcade numbers and 1.53 PPG (in a lower scoring league) is just really good? Are you not taking WJC or playoff performance into account?
Glass didn't play WJC, so it's hard to compare them there, and Thomas didn't impress me on the international stage.

He did have a really good run with the Bulldogs though, that I can't dispute. I still don't think they are very similar, Glass's upside is just a bit better than Thomas.
 

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It's one thing to make a list, which is fine. Everyone does it.

But to claimed to have watched countless games in every league for the last few years. I mean come on.
SHL, Liiga, AHL, KHL, CHL (WHL, QMJHL, OHL) NCAA USHL, Czech.
I don't watch much KHL, watched two full games of Kravtsov I think, I have a hard time following with the cyrillic and everything, watched a few more MHL to see Denisenko and a few other kids.

The Czech league is the one that is mostly impossible to watch a game, caught all of Necas's international games though, and shift by shifts/high lights etc of him in the czech league.

Aside from that, yeah, watched a lot of hockey this year, not that much SHL either, didn't watch one game of Dahlin, who needs to watch that. You forgot Allsvenskan though, I did watch a few of those to see Olofsson, Fehevary and Hallander.
 
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So 1.59 PPG is arcade numbers and 1.53 PPG (in a lower scoring league) is just really good? Are you not taking WJC or playoff performance into account?
Thomas's PPG took a hit post trade too. Took a couple weeks to pick it back up then he was just flat out dominant during the playoffs, and played half of it on a ankle sprain
 

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Liljegren wouldve been 51. Thats 11 spots from Mete, also I won't rank Juulsen/Mete twenty spots apart, they are literally neck and neck and most of the time I can't decide which one is better than the other.

My criteria is simple, a graduated prospect is a prospect in which his NHL future is incertain.
You need something tangible to make the list consistent. You can't arbitrarily decide who is graduated. Have a clear cut-off point. Maybe they should be neck and neck outside your top 50. Because you have them neck and neck, doesn't mean they are both top 50 prospects.
 

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Glass didn't play WJC, so it's hard to compare them there, and Thomas didn't impress me on the international stage.

He did have a really good run with the Bulldogs though, that I can't dispute. I still don't think they are very similar, Glass's upside is just a bit better than Thomas.
Thomas was an 18yr old playing on a Canadian team.... I could be misremembering but Glass was cut from the squad
 

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You need something tangible to make the list consistent. You can't arbitrarily decide who is graduated. Have a clear cut-off point. Maybe they should be neck and neck outside your top 50. Because you have them neck and neck, doesn't mean they are both top 50 prospects.
Alrighty, theres 48 other players in the list, care to mention any other ?
 

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Thomas was an 18yr old playing on a Canadian team.... I could be misremembering but Glass was cut from the squad
He was, but I figure its more on the play style, as the Canadian teams usually do. Thomas can fill in a lot more spots than Glass can, who's pretty much a top 6er and thats it.
 

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