Captain Bowie
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Does how they played against each other at 16 really affect them as prospects at 19? And what are their head to head stats like anyways?
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Oh, I understand the confusion, my mistake, I didn't mean games played head to head but in the same league/setting/tournament.
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Having Noah Juulsen ahead of
Bouchard
Liljegrin
Juolevi
etc etc
hell even Fabbro is a better prospect
Having Noah Juulsen ahead of
Bouchard
Liljegrin
Juolevi
etc etc
hell even Fabbro is a better prospect
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Petterson had 10 points in 12 games. Necas had 16 points in 14 games. No doubt Necas performed better, but it is enough with a small sample size to overcome the difference in their performance for their clubs teams? I don't think so.
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Ill answer to this in good faith, even though there was none on your part.
I am low on Bouchard, I believe he has some really deep rooted issues with the game both defensively and offensively. His offensive production was great in the OHL, but he rode a atypically high number of shots, which was mostly boosted by again, atypical playing time for a junior. His defensive play though, was not great at any point, he gets beat a lot, he gets outmuscled a lot for a big guy, he loses his man, his gap control is fine but not good, etc. Theres a lot of issues with his game, and a lot of it might come from the speed at which he processes the game, or it could be coaching. Anyhow, I'm a fan of really smart players, Bouchard isn't one.
Liljegren had decent offensive production too, in the AHL, but he lost a lot of favors with the coach going late in the season, he played very little in the POs.
Juolevi is at an all-time low for me. His only redeeming qualities when drafting him were "NHL readiness" and sure ceiling... Sure ain't looking good on that part. He was bad at the WJC, he was disappointing any time I watched him... Theres just not that many tools to work with with Olli. I'd have him behind the two others mentionned above too. I don't even know if he makes my top 75.
If you want to talk about Liljegren's AHL production, maybe you should go look at Juulsen's.
He also played a bunch in the playoffs, he was paired with Dermott for most of it.
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Pretty low on Canucks prospects eh? Lists are tough though, always going to disappoint someone
Lol! Montreal is my second favourite team but this is one heck of an agenda driven list. Are you sure you couldn’t squeeze a few more Habs prospects in?
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Funny you list Juolevi not in the top 75.
Which I have no problem with
I mean I wouldn't would even put Juulsen in a list of the top 100 prospects.
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I think so, especially since Necas did really well himself, finishing first in u22 scoring for this season.
At the end of the day, Ive been high on Necas for a long time and mild to Pettersson, It's 6 spots and 3 to 6 are still super close, you could have them completely reversed and you wouldn't be wrong. Same reason why you might make the argument for Elias against Miro, and you wouldn't be wrong.
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Do you know why Juulsen played 31 games in the AHL ? Also, have you taken a look at the team ? Also, also, also, Juulsen was the best defender on the Rocket... Can you say the same about Timothy ?
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Because I'm biased towards the Avsobviously.
In all seriousness, I'm high on him, from watching Timmins all year, there's just something about him, the way he controls the play with that long stick, his offensive potential is similar to Tim but he controls the play much better.
Also, who would you think Liljegren should be ahead of ? I'm certainly not ready to put him ahead of Hague or Vakaanainen.
Well i have him roughly in the same range as Foote, Valimaki and Brännström so personally i would slot him between 20-30 definitely not outside top-50. He's certainly ahead guys like Lundkvist and Juulsen.
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Gotta respect a guy who hangs around and defends his opinions with out getting hyper defensive like a lot of people around here.
Yeah, I knew you were going to point to the quality of the team. And, yes I can read a boxscore. Funny though, if team quality had such an impact on points, why did Rychel improve his production with the Rockets, probably because he got more ice-time, compared to the Marlies who had very balanced usage. And Juulsen played 31 games because the Habs d was a joke. Hell, Mete should have been in London most of the year.
Your list is so biased towards the Habs, it renders it a joke. Next time you try this exercise, at least aim to have some level of objectivity, if you actually want a serious discussion about it.
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I think Glass's offensive toolkit is just much better than Thomas, and they both showed it this season, Glass producing arcade numbers and Thomas producing really good numbers. I think Thomas is a good prospect, I just question his upside in the NHL, I really don't see the game to be a number one center, whereas, with guys like Vilardi and Glass, I see it.
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I'll be honest, I was lower than most on the last three vancouver picks, I don't know why it worked out that way, but yeah, I am lower than most on them.
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Ummm
They played each other at the world juniors where sweden beat them 3-1 and petterssson had the winning goal.
Necas had a 2nd assist.
They didn't play each other in the world championships.
But keep making up facts.
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Particularly high on Lundkvist, had him in the top 15 for this years draft and Juulsen is poised to be a top four Dman right this year, I think the aformentioned Ds are also all much better in quality than Liljegren, but then again, AHL is not the league I watch the most of, not even close, so I might have missed some great games from Liljegren.
Id like to point that I agree that these players are all similarly close in quality, adding in Hague and others in there too, I agree it seems harsh, but the difference between 30ish and 50 isn't that great, to me.
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