Value of: Moving up at the draft from #26 with one of Lane Hutson or Owen Beck.

[pth2]

A+ answer.

OP is too deep in draft boards and has two prospects they don’t value as much as others. They think they can reach player C and wants others to confirm it, ignoring that this makes no sense for MTL.

Move prospects if it fuels a cup run or if they massively disappoint. Don’t just move back a few years, wow.

I'd suspect they're falling into the trap of thinking all trades are only about value, and not about filling needs, both on the ice and in terms of timelines.

 

[Habsrule]

Why would Montreal draft and develop prospects and just as they are about to turn pro to turn around and trade them for another prospect?

That’s not how rebuilds work. With that mindset you would always be rebuilding.

Sure that higher draft pick could be better than Hutson or Beck but what happens if they aren’t?

 

[Qwijibo]

Hutson had superior college seasons to Hughes and Makar. Not saying he'll be an equivalent NHLer. But if there's even a small chance that he can become a similarly dynamic defenceman, you hang on to him. Boom or bust, you dont trade him away in a package for another lesser known magic bean

 

[Gaud]

Does Mtl have a better prospect than Hutson?
I find too many proposals are "if you want X, you have to give us your best asset".

Anyways, Hutson is more of a known value to Mtl and even played a few games in the NHL. He didn't seem out of place. It makes no sense for me to get rid of a prospect evaluated as "high end" to get another that is a far more risky in terms of making the NHL. Beck at least isnt a bluechip.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Hutson had superior college seasons to Hughes and Makar.

No he didn’t. Makar won the Hobey Baker…Hutson put up more points. That doesn’t make it superior on its own.

 

[samsagat]

Hutson will be an NHLer.

The question is more will he be a Gostisbehere/Tyson Barrie or a Adam Fox?

He has all the offensive talent you wanna see in a player. He's smart and very creative.

It's his skating, strength and reach that's gonna handicap him in the DZ.

He could be converted in a LW/7th D/powerplay specialist. Like Carbonneau did with Streit back in the days.

So you don't waste his offensive talent because he's so so defensively. You optimize his qualities.

 

[TBF1972]

Habs would be crazy to trade a center like Beck

I'd understand trading Hutson if they draft a Buium, one can make an argument that at that point one of them won't see as much PP minutes and you might as well get something in return

I think Hutson and 26 can land a pick around 10 but the real question is is it necessary, it's 50/50 wherever the pick ends up being better than Hutson

drafting buium at #5 would be a smart move, if celibrini, demidov and lindstrom are all off the board

 

[canuckslover10]

Why can't people just answer a hypothetical question,

With Hutson im really high on him even more so than most habs fans I'd say in this draft that package should get you all the way up to number 2 in this draft.

For Beck im going to be honest I haven't seen him play too much but the times I've seen him hes been good but the highest id think that package would go is 12-17 range.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

With Hutson im really high on him even more so than most habs fans I'd say in this draft that package should get you all the way up to number 2 in this draft.

That's absolutely insane. There's no chance that moves you up to 2nd overall.

Find another prospect who's regarded in the same tier as Hutson, and offer him with a mid-20s pick and see Habs fans responses for 5th overall. They would all turn it down, let alone going up to 2nd.

 

[Eegs]

Why can't people just answer a hypothetical question,

With Hutson im really high on him even more so than most habs fans I'd say in this draft that package should get you all the way up to number 2 in this draft.

For Beck im going to be honest I haven't seen him play too much but the times I've seen him hes been good but the highest id think that package would go is 12-17 range.

I'm not sure if Hutson + 26 gets you #2, but I reckon it is a breath of fresh air for someone to just answer the damn question.

 

[canuckslover10]

That's absolutely insane. There's no chance that moves you up to 2nd overall.

Find another prospect who's regarded in the same tier as Hutson, and offer him with a mid-20s pick and see Habs fans responses for 5th overall. They would all turn it down, let alone going up to 2nd.

Well at Hutson's current value id say it would be impossible to get number 2 but me personally I value him highly and think he can be a top 10 dman in the league in his prime, so I wouldn't trade unless its worthwhile, at his current value he probably gets you to 11-15 maybe.

I just strongly believe in his ability to transfer his game to the NHL level.

 

[BLONG7]

Hutson and Beck are either nhl ready or close. Habs have been trying to accelerate the rebuild by moving picks for young players (Dach, Newhook, Barron rather than a pick, rumors of Habs looking at other young players).

Why would they move a prospect to draft a younger player who sets them back 2 years compared to Beck or Hutson?

I would think neither gets moved, just no way.
If habs are trying to trade up, just can't see those two being used to do so...................

 

[samsagat]

I wouldn't mind trading Hutson because he's very talented, but smallish without elite skating.

I love his extraterrestrial creativity and quantic hockey processor.
But at the end of the day the goal is to build a Cup winner and I'm not sure Hutson will be a good playoff performer.

According to what we're seeing right now in the playoffs, it takes big guys on the rear end. Small guys gets crushed around and tends to fall short compared to their regular season standards.

Habs will draft top 5 and would prefer to take a forward. Thing is there's good chances that at this point of the draft, BPA will be a LHD (if Demidov and Lindstrom are gone).

Buium is a dominant player, an attested winner. His profile is +/- a Hutson with 2 " taller and 20 pds heavier.
Plus he's a better skater and much better defensively.

If I was HuGo, I'd wait at the draft to see what's available at 5 and if Demidov and Lindstrom are gone, I would seriously consider to add Hutson to the Winnipeg 1st pick in order to obtain an earlier pick.

And with the 5th pick, I'd draft one of the dominant LD available.

As far as I'm concerned it should be Buium, but Silayev/Dickinson would be ok for me too.

 

[Frank Drebin]

A team could just draft its own Hutson if they wanted likely trading up for him in late 1st or 2nd depending on where he falls

Neither package is all that appealing IMO as outside for teams to justify move down

"Its own Hutson."

He may or may not be an impact nhl player but he's certainly not a garden variety player.

 

[Archijerej]

We trade a prospect so we can select a prospect, so we can later trade him for a draft pick in order to select another prospect?

 

[Frank Drebin]

We trade a prospect so we can select a prospect, so we can later trade him for a draft pick in order to select another prospect?

Todays NHL. Have to stay young.

 

[Rob Sense]

Has anyone answered "NO" yet?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

No he didn’t. Makar won the Hobey Baker…Hutson put up more points. That doesn’t make it superior on its own.

Hobey Baker is nothing. Majority of winners were duds. It is not just points. it is how he created them and the rest of his game.

 

[Blueston]

Why can't people just answer a hypothetical question,

With Hutson im really high on him even more so than most habs fans I'd say in this draft that package should get you all the way up to number 2 in this draft.

For Beck im going to be honest I haven't seen him play too much but the times I've seen him hes been good but the highest id think that package would go is 12-17 range.

Hutson and 5oa doesn’t get you to 4, let alone 2. Hutson and 26 likely gets you to maybe 19-24 range.

 

[TBF1972]

Hobey Baker is nothing. Majority of winners were duds. It is not just points. it is how he created them and the rest of his game.

the majority of winners were duds. so more than 50%. in the last 10 years the winners were:
celebrini NO dud
fantilli NO dud
mckay dud
caufield DUD???
perunovich dud
makar NO dud
gaudette dud
butcher dud
vesey dud
eichel NO dud

 

[General Fanager]

I would trade 26th and Beck for Sennecke...to add to Lindstrome at 5.

Lindstrome has the grit to replace Beck and then some, then add Sennecke.

Not me.

Lindstrom or Demidov at #5 for sure and I am all in on moving up for a 2nd tier forward but not adding Hutson or Beck. I would see how far 26th and Xhekaj moves them up.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

Hutson will be an NHLer.

The question is more will he be a Gostisbehere/Tyson Barrie or a Adam Fox?

He has all the offensive talent you wanna see in a player. He's smart and very creative.

It's his skating, strength and reach that's gonna handicap him in the DZ.

He could be converted in a LW/7th D/powerplay specialist. Like Carbonneau did with Streit back in the days.

So you don't waste his offensive talent because he's so so defensively. You optimize his qualities.

Adam Fox level is out of the question since Hutson doesn’t have elite defensive skills like Fox does. I don’t know how you can even suggest that as a possibility.

 

[jfhabs]

Hutson is a weird one, in that he has the hopes and dreams of many Habs fans riding with the idea that he's going to become an absolute superstar. But in terms of trade value...he's probably got very little. Because quite frankly...it's not even clear he's going to be an NHL player at all at this point. His "outcomes" range is a hundred miles wide. Anywhere from superstar to complete bust who flunks out of the NHL still.



Beck on the other hand...i don't really understand the idea of tossing him into a trade when he's at the cusp of NHL ready...to move up and draft another complete lottery ticket.

I don't think most expect him to be an absolute superstar. But he's clearly NHL level.

 

[Miller Time]

Hutson and 5oa doesn’t get you to 4, let alone 2. Hutson and 26 likely gets you to maybe 19-24 range.

This kind of nonsense take is as bad or worse than anything Homer fans post about their teams.

 

[jfhabs]

Adam Fox level is out of the question since Hutson doesn’t have elite defensive skills like Fox does. I don’t know how you can even suggest that as a possibility.

I don't project him like that, but he was better in the NCAA it shouldn't be deemed impossible for him to improve defensively. Offensively, he's already more dynamic imo

Of course if you don't like Hutson you won't be willing to go down for him... But some like him for sure. If you already have a beefed up defense and need a pmd, PP quarter back; Lane is your guy.

For me I'd trade Beck easily before Lane. He's a boom or bust, but the boom is pretty high if it hits.