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I dont want to imagine a team with zacha, coyle and frederic down the middle. Zacha, coyle and frederic combined for one goal this postseason. Zacha doesnt have a postseason goal in 12 postseason games, frederic doesnt have a single point in nine postseason games. Frederic is an abomination in the faceoff cirlce and zacha is below 50% as well.

What's the solution, Boss?
 

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Out:
Ullmark - $5M
Grzelcyk - $3.7M
Forbort - $3M
Reilly - $1.9M

Total: $13.6

In:
Re-sign Bertuzzi - $5.75M
Re-sign Swayman - $4M
Re-sign Bergeron - $1.5M
Re-sign Frederic - $2.1M

Total: $13.4M

Just spitballing...
It's going to be a tough off-season for sure. Assuming the players above are moved for picks, it will still only leave the Bruins with $6M to add 3 forwards, 2 defensemen, and 1 backup goalie.
 

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What's the solution, Boss?
Idk what the solution is, they really dont have many choices with the lack of assets and cap. Just not looking forward to that center group. Two top 6 forwards who immensely struggle to score in the playoffs and a potential third line center who had been a healthy scratch half of the last two playoff rounds.

If I was management I would certainly listen to any offers. I just cant help but look at zacha/coyle/frederic and think its one of the worst top 9 center groups in the league.
 
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Idk what the solution is, they really dont have many choices with the lack of assets and cap. Just not looking forward to that center group. Two top 6 forwards who immensely struggle and a potential third line center who had been a healthy scratch half of the last two playoff rounds.

If I was management I would certainly listen to any offers. I just cant help but look at zacha/coyle/frederic and think its one of the worst top 9 center groups in the league.

I don't think it's that bad. Not great. Not good. But the sky isn't falling in this corner.

I really hope they don't do something foolish like trade McAvoy, DeBrusk or Swayman.

I understand that almost everyone else is on the table. If it were up to me I would rid myself of Clifton, perhaps Frederic & Forbort, Nosek, and, sad to say, Foligno. I would keep Gryzleck.

It's likely Orlov is gone.

I very much hope they can keep Garnet Hathaway and Tyler Bertuzzi. The problem with Bertuzzi is that signing him means you're going to have to move someone, like Taylor, or someone's (Lysell, Lohrei, etc.) It's a drag.

It may come to parting ways with Taylor Hall, which would bum me out, though he's going to slow down soon enough, one would think. Much of his game relies on superior skating.

It's also possible that a trade can be made involving Ullmark, though I hope they don't do that, either. Nor do I look forward to dealing Lysell or Lohrei. Especially Mason.

On the bright side, at least to me, is that there are younger, inexpensive alternatives waiting in PRO. I really like Marc McLaughlin. Beecher could possibly fill Frederic/Nosek's slot on the fourth line. It's conceivable, anyway. Have a good look at Georgii Merkulov and maybe Brett Harrison.

They should also examine Jim Montgomery's head, and Bob Essensa's as well.

The collection of bad -- extremely bad -- coaching decisions made by Montgomery in R1 were, and remain, truly stunning. I still can't wrap my head around those decisions.

I am speechless. Without speech.

I can vent here, though.

Which helps.

"It gets better."

I hope. :bruins :lightningbolt :wedgie:
 

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If you’re not going to give Debrusk what he will want for an extension deal him now. His value will never be higher.

I also don’t think he is resigning here anyway. I think he wants to be closer to home.
 

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I don't think it's that bad. Not great. Not good. But the sky isn't falling in this corner.

I really hope they don't do something foolish like trade McAvoy, DeBrusk or Swayman.

I understand that almost everyone else is on the table. If it were up to me I would rid myself of Clifton, perhaps Frederic & Forbort, Nosek, and, sad to say, Foligno. I would keep Gryzleck.

It's likely Orlov is gone.

I very much hope they can keep Garnet Hathaway and Tyler Bertuzzi. The problem with Bertuzzi is that signing him means you're going to have to move someone, like Taylor, or someone's (Lysell, Lohrei, etc.) It's a drag.

It may come to parting ways with Taylor Hall, which would bum me out, though he's going to slow down soon enough, one would think. Much of his game relies on superior skating.

It's also possible that a trade can be made involving Ullmark, though I hope they don't do that, either. Nor do I look forward to dealing Lysell or Lohrei. Especially Mason.

On the bright side, at least to me, is that there are younger, inexpensive alternatives waiting in PRO. I really like Marc McLaughlin. Beecher could possibly fill Frederic/Nosek's slot on the fourth line. It's conceivable, anyway. Have a good look at Georgii Merkulov and maybe Brett Harrison.

They should also examine Jim Montgomery's head, and Bob Essensa's as well.

The collection of bad -- extremely bad -- coaching decisions made by Montgomery in R1 were, and remain, truly stunning. I still can't wrap my head around those decisions.

I am speechless. Without speech.

I can vent here, though.

Which helps.

"It gets better."

I hope. :bruins :lightningbolt :wedgie:
I don’t think they’re in a position to deal Lysell or Lohrei anyway. They need to get younger and start playing these prospects to get out of cap hell. I hope they keep most of them.
 
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I don’t think they’re in a position to deal Lysell or Lohrei anyway. They need to get younger and start playing these prospects to get out of cap hell. I hope they keep most of them.

I agree but as Conor Ryan points out on Boston.com


if the Bruins seek 1C help outside the organization, they will likely part with Lysell, Lohrei, or both.

Gulp.
 

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I don't think it's that bad. Not great. Not good. But the sky isn't falling in this corner.

I really hope they don't do something foolish like trade McAvoy, DeBrusk or Swayman.

I understand that almost everyone else is on the table. If it were up to me I would rid myself of Clifton, perhaps Frederic & Forbort, Nosek, and, sad to say, Foligno. I would keep Gryzleck.

It's likely Orlov is gone.

I very much hope they can keep Garnet Hathaway and Tyler Bertuzzi. The problem with Bertuzzi is that signing him means you're going to have to move someone, like Taylor, or someone's (Lysell, Lohrei, etc.) It's a drag.

It may come to parting ways with Taylor Hall, which would bum me out, though he's going to slow down soon enough, one would think. Much of his game relies on superior skating.

It's also possible that a trade can be made involving Ullmark, though I hope they don't do that, either. Nor do I look forward to dealing Lysell or Lohrei. Especially Mason.

On the bright side, at least to me, is that there are younger, inexpensive alternatives waiting in PRO. I really like Marc McLaughlin. Beecher could possibly fill Frederic/Nosek's slot on the fourth line. It's conceivable, anyway. Have a good look at Georgii Merkulov and maybe Brett Harrison.

They should also examine Jim Montgomery's head, and Bob Essensa's as well.

The collection of bad -- extremely bad -- coaching decisions made by Montgomery in R1 were, and remain, truly stunning. I still can't wrap my head around those decisions.

I am speechless. Without speech.

I can vent here, though.

Which helps.

"It gets better."

I hope. :bruins :lightningbolt :wedgie:

Ya I wouldnt trade Mcavoy, Pasta, debrusk or swayman. I hope they bring bertuzzi back, his hustle is motor is second to none and to combine that with his talent is rare. Teams need that style of play in their top 6.

I hope we get to see the young guys through some sort of youth movement. Honestly, the team has kind of a baked in excuse to have a retool/down year with the cap and draft asset issues. They should take advantage of it. Management can just blame next season on the old core choking lol. Let the young guys play and see who carves out a role.
 

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I agree but as Conor Ryan points out on Boston.com


if the Bruins seek 1C help outside the organization, they will likely part with Lysell, Lohrei, or both.

Gulp.
Pierre Luc Dubois would be an interesting target for sure. He’d fit the age of the current core, plays with grit, still young. Wouldn’t be against it.
 

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Heres another plan that will never happen, but is cap compliant.

Hall to Colorado for a #1 and a prospect

Ullmark and Grzelcyk to Edmonton for Foegele, Bourgault and one of their several second rounders.

Carlo to Chicago for Raddysh

Forbort to Philly for a prospect or 4th. (Their PK was awful, he’d help)

Reilly for whatever


Marchand 6.125 — Zacha 4.75 — Pasta 11.25
JDB 4.0— Bergeron (1 yr/2.0) — Raddysh .750
Frederic (3yr/2.0). — Coyle 5.25 — Foegele 2.75
Lauko (2yr/1.75) — Bjugstad (3yr/2.75) — Greer .762
Steen .800

Lindholm 6.5 — McAvoy 9.5
Orlov (3yr/5.0) — Gudas (3yrs./3.25)
Lohrei .925 — Bear (3yrs./3.5)
Zboril 1.137

Swayman — 3yrs./4.0
Bussi — 2 yrs./1.25
 

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I just got in argument with a B's fan on another site cause he thinks that if Bergeron retires the dropoff from him to Coyle wouldn't be that substantial. How is it people still don't understand the degree that Bergeron impacts games in the year 2023, he's been here for 19 years.
 

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I just got in argument with a B's fan on another site cause he thinks that if Bergeron retires the dropoff from him to Coyle wouldn't be that substantial. How is it people still don't understand the degree that Bergeron impacts games in the year 2023, he's been here for 19 years.
He was pretty amazing last season statistically. Amazing, considering Brad was feeling his way after surgery for the majority of the season and DeBrusk had a pretty significant injury.
 
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He was pretty amazing last season statistically. Amazing, considering Brad was feeling his way after surgery for the majority of the season and DeBrusk had a pretty significant injury.
Still the best 2 way forward in the league and some people are acting like we'll be able to fill the hole that he leaves with Charlie Coyle, who who have 10 years in league telling us that he isn't a top 6 center. It's insane to me.
 

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As long as the deal is sweet anyone can be had. Either now or at trade deadline the for sale sign is up.

Time for the rebuild. We've seen it too many times to think otherwise. I mean I love Bergy and Krejci but it's time to realize both of these guys are not taking you to a cup. They both started their careers young and the milage has added up. Without these guys the Center depth is far from SC Champion caliber.

With little in the cupboard and few draft picks for the next few years this team will be spinning it's wheels unless they deal with reality and start the rebuild.


Don't look for this team to preform like last season. That was the last kick at the can and sadly it was the greatest disappointment of all time. Let's face it everything went their way during the season but that all turned around in the PO's when everything that could go wrong did.

I sign Orlov and Bert for trade down the road and get assets for guys like Ullmark, Grizz, Forbort, Hall, Coyle and Fredy. Both Pasta and Mac can be had for a ransom at TDL.

Assets can be managed in many ways . Picks can be traded and prospects can be had . A good GM can manage that.
 

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If I'm GM I'm taking all calls for anyone.
As long as the deal is sweet anyone can be had. Either now or at trade deadline the for sale sign is up.

Time for the rebuild. We've seen it too many times to think otherwise. I mean I love Bergy and Krejci but it's time to realize both of these guys are not taking you to a cup. They both started their careers young and the milage has added up. Without these guys the Center depth is far from SC Champion caliber.

With little in the cupboard and few draft picks for the next few years this team will be spinning it's wheels unless they deal with reality and start the rebuild.


Don't look for this team to preform like last season. That was the last kick at the can and sadly it was the greatest disappointment of all time. Let's face it everything went their way during the season but that all turned around in the PO's when everything that could go wrong did.

I sign Orlov and Bert for trade down the road and get assets for guys like Ullmark, Grizz, Forbort, Hall, Coyle and Fredy. Both Pasta and Mac can be had for a ransom at TDL.

Assets can be managed in many ways . Picks can be traded and prospects can be had . A good GM can manage that.
Cupboard is fine I don't see the doom gloom . Poitras Harrison are gonna be good ones down the middle in the future. We already have zacha 26 years old holding that 2nd c well. Lohrei mcavoy carlo lindholm zboril will be a fabulous D6. We have sway already looking elite in net ay age 24 and we have a bountiful of net prospects coming. Were solid.
 

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Pierre Luc Dubois would be an interesting target for sure. He’d fit the age of the current core, plays with grit, still young. Wouldn’t be against it.

The possibility was discussed today's Bruins Beat,



He's 24, a pain in the ass to play against, difference maker, etc.

However, both host Evan Marinofksy (New England Hockey Journal editor) and Boston.com Bruins writer Conor Ryan raised, obliquely, the issue of character/maturity, or lack thereof per DuBois. They both mentioned shooting his way out of town re CBJ, but both seem to believe he could grow up & fly right within the B's culture.

What is the informed opinion per PLD's character/maturity?

Also, OT, Marinofsky & Ryan implied that the Winnipeg locker room is, ah, special.



Any info/insight about this last appreciated as well,

:baghead: ?
 
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I just think you HAVE to get Bertuzzi back.
What is the point of bringing back Bertuzzi?

The real problem in the playoffs since Chara and Krug's departure is Dcore.
Sweeney loves to hoard and overpay for Dman that has some kind of dysfunction.
Good D has size, skill, can skate, physical, good reach and can take a slapshot.

McAvoy - very good D, terrible puck control and a crappy slapshot to run PP
Lindholm - good D, soft, a crappy slapshot to run PP
Carlo - good D, no skill
Grzelcyk - no size, soft, no reach, no slapshot
Forbort - no skill, can't skate
Orlov - no size, no reach
Clifton - no size, no skill, no reach, no slapshot
Zboril - unlike his former teammate Senyshyn, who couldn't break out of the locker room, he has managed to play in 76 regular season games since being drafted 8 years ago
 
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What is the point of bringing back Bertuzzi?

The real problem in the playoffs since Chara and Krug's departure is Dcore.
Sweeney loves to hoard and overpay for Dman that has some kind of dysfunction.
Good D has size, skill, can skate, physical, good reach and can take a slapshot.

McAvoy - very good D, terrible puck control and a crappy slapshot to run PP
Lindholm - good D, soft, a crappy slapshot to run PP
Carlo - good D, no skill
Grzelcyk - no size, soft, no reach, no slapshot
Forbort - no skill, can't skate
Orlov - no size, no reach
Clifton - no size, no skill, no reach, no slapshot
Zboril - unlike his former teammate Senyshyn, who couldn't break out of the locker room, he has managed to play in 76 regular season games since being drafted 8 years ago
Your assessment of the defense is pretty bad, man.

Why bring back Bertuzzi? Because for one, he’s an excellent playmaker. He’s a net front presence that this team solely lacks. He can agitate and draw calls. He’s fairly young.

Orlov is a brick shit house. The guy is like 215-220 of pure tank. He also has a bomb of a shot.

McAvoys decision making was pretty bad, but he absolutely has good puck control.

Clifton, yeah, not the biggest guy, but is very physical. He’s not a top D-man. Ideally he’s a #6

Lindholm I don’t think is soft. I just don’t think he’s adjusted to playoff hockey, really. He tries to do too much.

I do agree that the defense can use some size and nastiness, but I think your assessment as a whole isn’t very fair.
 

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Your assessment of the defense is pretty bad, man.

Why bring back Bertuzzi? Because for one, he’s an excellent playmaker. He’s a net front presence that this team solely lacks. He can agitate and draw calls. He’s fairly young.

Orlov is a brick shit house. The guy is like 215-220 of pure tank. He also has a bomb of a shot.

McAvoys decision making was pretty bad, but he absolutely has good puck control.

Clifton, yeah, not the biggest guy, but is very physical. He’s not a top D-man. Ideally he’s a #6

Lindholm I don’t think is soft. I just don’t think he’s adjusted to playoff hockey, really. He tries to do too much.

I do agree that the defense can use some size and nastiness, but I think your assessment as a whole isn’t very fair.
I am not disputing Bertuzzi's qualities. I just ask what's in it for him.
If Bergy and DK come back they are both not getting any younger or healthier and Bruins still need to fix D.
If they don't come back it's either a full rebuild so no reason to sign here or if B's somehow manage to get a top line C most likely there won't be enough money to sign Bertuzzi.
If Bertuzzi wants to get paid with a long-term contract it's not gonna happen with B's.
 
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