Player Discussion Most disappointing Hughes Acquisition (All Michkov draft talk here)

[BLONG7]

I see we are moving the goalposts, and exercising no patience eh...................it's a rebuild guys.
Still early to rush judgements.
Tearing down kids, who are 20-23 years old seems like a rush here, during a rebuild.

Is Hughes perfect, by no means. Stay tuned it's a process.

 

[Lshap]

You can't declare Dach to be a bad trade because of an injury that happened after the fact. He looked great up until he was hurt. Until that point, it was a brilliant move by Hughes. It still can be if he regains his swagger. If he doesn't, file the trade under bad luck.

The answer to this question is picking Reinbacher over Michkov. So far, it's not even close. Every other move Hughes has made involves a player who's mid-tier/developing/not in the NHL yet. Michkov is PPG in his rookie NHL season. I feel bad for Reinbacher, who may become a very good defenceman for us, but until that happens we have to watch the player we could've/should've picked become a star.

 

[MolleSon]

I'm worried about the Slaf contract. I understand the strategy behind the move but I wonder if he will be THAT big for us. Obviously, Hugues (and the rest of the big cats) thinks so but but I have my reservation. 50 pts isnt enough. We'll see in a few years but...

I'm also questionning the coaching staff composition. Lack of experience. I do love the Pascal Vincent move.

The worst trade imo is Newhook. At best a 3rd line player... Wasnt worth the risk nor the price.

The rest, I can live with because it is too early to judge. I do miss Lehkonen but that 2nd pick saved it all. On the other hand, Heineman is a sure shot replacement for Lehky.

 

[Theodore450]

Hiring totally inexperienced coaching staff (other than Letowski) seems like the biggest issues. You make trades and you cannot win them all, but hiring the right people is the key part.

The worst thing Marc Berg did was hire terrible coaches, but even he did a better job than MSL

 

[Hins77]

I'm worried about the Slaf contract. I understand the strategy behind the move but I wonder if he will be THAT big for us. Obviously, Hugues (and the rest of the big cats) thinks so but but I have my reservation. 50 pts isnt enough. We'll see in a few years but...

I'm also questionning the coaching staff composition. Lack of experience. I do love the Pascal Vincent move.

The worst trade imo is Newhook. At best a 3rd line player... Wasnt worth the risk nor the price.

The rest, I can live with because it is too early to judge. I do miss Lehkonen but that 2nd pick saved it all. On the other hand, Heineman is a sure shot replacement for Lehky.

His prime gonna start in 2/3 years imo. it took time to Brady Tkachuk to developp into the player he is today. Same for a lot of bigger frame player. I think Slaf is gonna be more a Landeskog than a Rantanen. Im not sure he is going a really big point producer (like ppg). But he brings so many others tools... if we would sign him for 2/3 years, we would need to sign him on a higher aav. But I agree with you, we cannot sign and lock every young player on long term contracts like senators did. At one point, we need shorter and longer contract.

 

[Hins77]

Michkov's on pace for a point per game rookie season, that alone makes the Reinbacher acquisition the most disappointing for me regardless of injury.

I just have a feeling he's going to pan out to be a very vanilla 2nd pair defensive defenseman. The kind that teams trade a late 1st for at the trade deadline regularly. Meanwhile Michkov is looking nearly guaranteed to be a 100 point winger in his prime, the kind of player you have to draft because no team would be stupid enough to trade him away.

Why? Reinbacher played the most minute of his team, Kloten, in National swiss league. For a D, at 18 years old. Only this fact is something big.
If he was a Bad player, he wouldnt play that much. D take more time to developp, thats normal. He came in Laval last year and he was immediately the best. I mean. Need to Chill out

 

[sampollock]

Barron trade has not made a diff yet

 

[nhlfan9191]

You can't declare Dach to be a bad trade because of an injury that happened after the fact. He looked great up until he was hurt. Until that point, it was a brilliant move by Hughes. It still can be if he regains his swagger. If he doesn't, file the trade under bad luck.

The answer to this question is picking Reinbacher over Michkov. So far, it's not even close. Every other move Hughes has made involves a player who's mid-tier/developing/not in the NHL yet. Michkov is PPG in his rookie NHL season. I feel bad for Reinbacher, who may become a very good defenceman for us, but until that happens we have to watch the player we could've/should've picked become a star.

I think an argument you can make about the Dach trade is there seemed to be concern about his ability to stay healthy even tho he played 70 games the year prior to the trade happening. I don’t think you can completely relieve them of all responsibility when it comes to seeing injuries potentially being an issue. But it’s still a risk I take at the time. With no great center options being available with the first overall pick that draft, they needed to get creative. The Newhook trade is the one that kind of baffles me right now. It kind of seems like Hughes made an emotional trade based on being Newhook’s agent.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I think an argument you can make about the Dach trade is there seemed to be concern about his ability to stay healthy even tho he played 70 games the year prior to the trade happening. I don’t think you can completely relieve them of all responsibility when it comes to seeing injuries potentially being an issue. But it’s still a risk I take at the time. With no great center options being available with the first overall pick that draft, they needed to get creative. The Newhook trade is the one that kind of baffles me right now. It kind of seems like Hughes made an emotional trade based on being Newhook’s agent.

They did their homework on his wrist and decided that it was a risk worth taking. And so far they’ve been proven right on that.

The leg injury was unpredictable. That can happen to any player. No way to know.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Reinbach fo sho
Kids going to have to be alex pietrangelo for it to not be a colossal miss

 

[Dagistitsyn]

IMO it’s Reinbacher (no fault of the kid though) and it’s not even close, solely on the fact that Michkov is already a PPG player as a rookie on a garbage team. He’s going to be a star in this league for a long time and we all knew this.
The only way this move pans out is if Reinbacher becomes an elite number one RD, and I don’t think any of us truly believe that’s going to happen. I hope he does, but not many scouts ever touted him as such. Steady top 4 D at best probably.

Honourable mention to Newhook. Overpayment for an overrated 3rd line scoring winger who is consistently making bad plays and turnovers and can’t get any assists despite playing with our two best goal scorers.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Our best players are bergevin acquisitions, just like mb benefited from gainey

 

[Lshap]

I think an argument you can make about the Dach trade is there seemed to be concern about his ability to stay healthy even tho he played 70 games the year prior to the trade happening. I don’t think you can completely relieve them of all responsibility when it comes to seeing injuries potentially being an issue. But it’s still a risk I take at the time. With no great center options being available with the first overall pick that draft, they needed to get creative.

Exactly – Dach was a risk worth taking. And given how well he was playing after his previous injuries, the trade looked like genius. All his injuries have been one-offs. If he can recover from last year's like he did before, this can still be a huge win. Hopefully, the org knows something we don't, which is why they're playing him regularly.

 

[Lshap]

Our best players are bergevin acquisitions, just like mb benefited from gainey

Bergevin's acquisitions are only entering their prime now, which is why they're our best players.

Hughes' main acquisitions are 20 years old and younger, or they're coming back after long injuries. We'll only know what we have in two/three years.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Our best players are bergevin acquisitions, just like mb benefited from gainey

Two things here.

1. MB’s acquisitions are in their prime. Hutson and Slaf are just starting out and Demidov, Beck, RB and Hage aren’t even here yet.

2. MB’s acquisitions have greatly benefited from being developed by the new regime. caufield for example may have been drafted by MB but he was in his way to bustville under him. MSL walked in and turned that around.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'm worried about the Slaf contract. I understand the strategy behind the move but I wonder if he will be THAT big for us. Obviously, Hugues (and the rest of the big cats) thinks so but but I have my reservation. 50 pts isnt enough. We'll see in a few years but...

I'm also questionning the coaching staff composition. Lack of experience. I do love the Pascal Vincent move.

The worst trade imo is Newhook. At best a 3rd line player... Wasnt worth the risk nor the price.

The rest, I can live with because it is too early to judge. I do miss Lehkonen but that 2nd pick saved it all. On the other hand, Heineman is a sure shot replacement for Lehky.

Newhook is interesting. Depth scorer and I was okay dealing for that to help speed things along.

He’s got talent and some much needed speed. But he’s inconsistent and streaky. Even now with him playing really well he can’t seem to get any points. It’s really strange. Dach’s decline messed up everything- including Newhook as they should’ve been able to form the makings of a decent 2nd line.

Long way to go but I’ve been disappointed in him so far.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

IMO it’s Reinbacher (no fault of the kid though) and it’s not even close, solely on the fact that Michkov is already a PPG player as a rookie on a garbage team. He’s going to be a star in this league for a long time and we all knew this.
The only way this move pans out is if Reinbacher becomes an elite number one RD, and I don’t think any of us truly believe that’s going to happen. I hope he does, but not many scouts ever touted him as such. Steady top 4 D at best probably.

Honourable mention to Newhook. Overpayment for an overrated 3rd line scoring winger who is consistently making bad plays and turnovers and can’t get any assists despite playing with our two best goal scorers.

I have to agree, at the end of the day, If Dach and Newhok end up being solid 3rd line players down the road, well it's good for us as we will need them.

When you have the chance to draft a high desperately much needed offensive forward like Michkov, you cannot pass on that. It sucks for Reinbacher, but if you ask me that's KH biggest mistake as of now

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Reinbach fo sho
Kids going to have to be alex pietrangelo for it to not be a colossal miss

Sucks for RB. Might wind up being exactly what we need back there but it’ll be overshadowed by Mich becoming so good. And he gets the injury as well… Brutal.

 

[Egresch]

The worst thing Marc Berg did was hire terrible coaches, but even he did a better job than MSL

I am not against MSL, but he needs some help, so he can grow with the team. Having Robidas with zero experience and Grillo in some weird role does not challenge his abilities I guess.

 

[Angler]

Picking Reinbacher over Michov is easily the most disappointing move for me. They really messed that up and missed out on a special player.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The worst thing Marc Berg did was hire terrible coaches, but even he did a better job than MSL

Uh, no.

Therrien is a big reason why this team didn’t win a cup in the 2010s. Worst coach we’ve had since Claude Ruel and that includes Jean Perron. Julien was not terrible but not great and then he brought in Mumbles who was well on his way to ruining Cole Caufield.

Say what you want about MSL but most prospects have done well under him. This season has taken a lot of shine off as some have no struggled but at least our prospects have mostly improved under him.

Under MB it was a decade long black hole of prospects being wrecked. As if Therrien wasn’t bad enough, you had SL ruining guys in the minors.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Reinbacher
Dach
Slaf
Newhook
Barron

I don’t want to sound too pessimistic, but are any trending in the right direction? Not to say they won’t work out, but I don’t think any carry the same value they had at the time of acquisition.

Would Colorado or Chicago accept a refund on the trades? No.

Are the Habs really content with the 1 and 5 OA picks so far?

On the plus side … Demidov, Fowler, Hage, Beck, Hutson … all trending well.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Barron trade has not made a diff yet

Allowed them to move up for Hage.

 

[Sorinth]

Most disappointing move was probably the re-signing of Allen. Almost immediately Montembeault took over and although we eventually were able to move Allen, the return was not that impressive and took a multi year retention slot.

The 2nd Petry trade is probably second, although the return was better and we got rid of Hoffman so it was overall fine.

The complaints about Dach/Newhook being disappointing sound very similar to the talk last year of Caufield being a disappointment. 20-30 games shouldn't really change a person's opinion on a player.

 

[Weltschmerz]

Barron trade has not made a diff yet

Nah it helped Avs win a cup.