Player Discussion: Morrissey's quiet redemption

[DRW204]

Sure but that third pairing was being pretty sheltered so Myers moving up to play tougher competition should to some extent offset that.

and he probably played more minutes behind CSW who was buzzing that year. and Ehlers+Laine when on the top pair.

i think you caught me before the edit

id constitute trouba with stuart as carrying, or buff with chiarot.

nevertheless, 17-18 year was 3 years ago, since then morrissey's play has been underwhelming.

 

[surixon]

and he probably played more minutes behind CSW who was buzzing that year. and Ehlers+Laine.

i think you caught me before the edit

id constitute trouba with stuart as carrying, or buff with chiarot.

Fair enough, I will just say he showed he could be the best dmen on a top 4 pairing that stretch while playing with a good but not great partner in Myers.

 

[Ducky10]

I'm really skeptical of using single game or small samples for shot metrics, especially expected goals. A single play or shift can greatly skew the xG figure for a game. I'm a bit more comfortable with Corsi metrics in smaller samples, because they are based on larger event samples, but they can also be very skewed within a game if a player is stuck defending for a long shift where another player has muffed a couple of zone clears.

Overall, Morrissey's play has looked a lot sharper to me recently. He's much more decisive in cutting down time and space and more inclined to move up the ice with and without the puck.

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[garret9]

Well yeah DeMelo is doing incredibly well playing heavily sheltered minutes with Stanley and the other bottom pairing dmen he's played with. I would hope that an established top 4 defensive dmen would perform well given that usage.

Two games worth of ice time with Pionk isn't a good enough sample size to draw conclusions.

Morrissey stunk playing his offside with Beau no question about it. It was a dumb spot for his coach to put him in and leave him in it when it was clearly not working and it impacted his confidence.

Poolman isn't a very good dmen and shouldn't be in the top 4, we saw the same thing last year. Results are pretty much the same with both of them together.

No question Morrissey had some real rough patches earlier in the year but he seems to be back playing at the level expected of him lately. Maybe he has finally learned how to carry a poor partner. Anyhow lets hope he keeps this up.

DeMelo also did good this year with Morrisey on the top pair.
DeMelo also did good with BEAULIEU ON THE TOP PAIR LAST YEAR.
It's odd how everyone does good with DeMelo, no matter the usage.

Stanley is sheltered but has negative values in adjusted models (EH xG RAPM or HV Isolated Impact) despite very positive raw results, but DeMelo has positive values. It's not like it's a usage thing.

 

[surixon]

DeMelo also did good this year with Morrisey on the top pair.
DeMelo also did good with BEAULIEU ON THE TOP PAIR LAST YEAR.
It's odd how everyone does good with DeMelo, no matter the usage.

Stanley is sheltered but has negative values in adjusted models (EH xG RAPM or HV Isolated Impact) despite very positive raw results, but DeMelo has positive values. It's not like it's a usage thing.

I don't believe I said DeMelo wasn't a good player. I just said I would expect a player of his ability (clearly top 4 caliber) to do real well in a bottom pairing sheltered role.

 

[Whileee]

DeMelo also did good this year with Morrisey on the top pair.
DeMelo also did good with BEAULIEU ON THE TOP PAIR LAST YEAR.
It's odd how everyone does good with DeMelo, no matter the usage.

Stanley is sheltered but has negative values in adjusted models (EH xG RAPM or HV Isolated Impact) despite very positive raw results, but DeMelo has positive values. It's not like it's a usage thing.

Really hard to conclude anything based on adjusted models in such a small sample and with such a narrow range of contexts and pairings.

 

[garret9]

Really hard to conclude anything based on adjusted models in such a small sample and with such a narrow range of contexts and pairings.

When you look at any one piece of evidence, it's not much... but when you look at all the pieces that pile together... and again I point out that one of the models (that IMO adjusts for defenders vs forward quality differences better than EH's RAPM) never really shone that brightly on Morrissey.

 

[garret9]

I don't believe I said DeMelo wasn't a good player. I just said I would expect a player of his ability (clearly top 4 caliber) to do real well in a bottom pairing sheltered role.

I'm just pointing out that all the excuses Morrissey keeps getting, other players have succeeded with in similar situations.

I don't think Morrissey is *really bad* or outside of being a bit of a reclimation but I think it's not outside the relm of possibility that he's never produces better than #4 quality impact again.

 

[surixon]

I'm just pointing out that all the excuses Morrissey keeps getting, other players have succeeded with in similar situations.

I don't think Morrissey is *really bad* or outside of being a bit of a reclimation but I think it's not outside the relm of possibility that he's never produces better than #4 quality impact again.

Who really knows. His recent play is encouraging and he needs to keep building off of it but you have to admit that having a solid partner helps a lot and he really hasn't had better then bottom pairing or replacement caliber players the last two years outside of his time with DeMelo.

He needs some stability to help him get his game back imo.

 

[garret9]

Who really knows. His recent play is encouraging and he needs to keep building off of it but you have to admit that having a solid partner helps a lot and he really hasn't had better then bottom pairing or replacement caliber players the last two years outside of his time with DeMelo.

He needs some stability to help him get his game back imo.

The issue is while RAPM or other methods don't account for all the impacts of having a different partner they should quite well account for the quality of their partner.

And again, Morrissey isn't the only guy who has spent a lot of time with scrubs. It happens a lot and there are many players who rise to the challenge. It's something else if those scrubs don't play better with the supposed good player.

 

[Romang67]

That series by Morrissey was quite something.

 

[DeepFrickinValue]

That series by Morrissey was quite something.

Change title again.

 

[BigZ65]

Had to be 4-5 times per game in this series where McDavid seemingly pulled away from our checking and had an open path to the goal only for Morrissey’s stick to appear to kill the chance.

 

[surixon]

He was back doing everything at a high level defensively and had that chip on his shoulder aggression again. He also looked like he has added dimensions to his offensive game.

If he can keep this level up he's a number 1 dmen and checks off another box for what this team needs to contend.

Having a stable partner that you trust helps a lot but he took his game to another level this series.

 

[Romang67]

He was back doing everything at a high level defensively and had that chip on his shoulder aggression again. He also looked like he has added dimensions to his offensive game.

If he can keep this level up he's a number 1 dmen and checks off another box for what this team needs to contend.

Having a stable partner that you trust helps a lot but he took his game to another level this series.

My main worry going into the expansion draft is if they expose DeMelo. He is what Perreault used to be (and still to an extent is) but for forwards, where he can be put with anyone and they will do much better.

If the Leafs advance, he'll have another series of trying to shut down an elite pair of forwards to look forward to.

 

[Sweech]

Morrissey looked like he was channeling prime Enstrom out there. Excellent skating while seemingly always getting his stick on pucks to deflect passes and shots.

 

[surixon]

My main worry going into the expansion draft is if they expose DeMelo. He is what Perreault used to be (and still to an extent is) but for forwards, where he can be put with anyone and they will do much better.

If the Leafs advance, he'll have another series of trying to shut down an elite pair of forwards to look forward to.

Yup, you have to keep both Stanley and DeMelo at the draft imo.

I still expect we make a deal to expose Copp for a top 4 dmen from Seattle. I don't think we can afford to keep him for what Overcharge will want on his next deal.

 

[pictman]

Besides his excellent play he was one of one of a small handful that still had alot of energy in the 3rd OT. Off the top of my head, Morrissey, Sheif, Draisaitl, Nurse.

 

[DRW204]

 

[LowLefty]

JoMo let his emotions get the best of him there
He's lucky it's only a fine

 

[Jet]

What did Domi get for speedbagging an unbeknownst participant. Just curious

 

[Kamo]

Honestly, that slash deserves a 1 game suspension. You don't do that shit.

 

[None]

What did Domi get for speedbagging an unbeknownst participant. Just curious

$5000 fine for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

[surixon]

I'm fine with the slash given the Domi shit. I think the NHL handled it well, fine for each and move on.

 

[Jet]

$5000 fine for unsportsmanlike conduct.

That's fine. He should have gotten 2 5 and a game though. That's the correct penalties