Player Discussion Morgan Rielly

[ULF_55]

Serious question.

Would you guys consider trying to convert him to a winger if you were Berube?

Have thought about Red Kellying him several times.

Red averaged 15.7 goals per 82 with Detroit as defender.
Red averaged 20.8 goals per 82 with Toronto as center.
Morgan averages 8.3 goals per 82.

Not sure Rielly has the shot to be a forward, or maybe if he wasn't shooting from the point, he could be more a marner than a Knies?

 

[supermann_98]

He, like Rielly, plays a lot of the PP minutes on a team that allows some of the most goals against on the PP.

So what you're saying is the stat is misleading because he's on ice ice for shorthanded goals against, and that doesn't mean he's bad defensively.

Ummm, the powerplay is designed to give the team the overwhelming advantage of having an extra player on the ice and the play start in the offensive zone. When he's the PP quarterback and he's on the ice for goals against that makes his defense even worse considering the other team has 2 forwards instead of 3 skating against him.

The team should theoretically not even be in their defensive zone if the PP quarterback is doing his job properly and either helping the team score a goal, or controlling the blue line and not allowing the puck to clear the zone.

I like Reilly, I have a number of Leaf jerseys and wears his the most as it's my lucky jersey, but he has been awful this year, straight up scary awful. Optimistically I even hoped Tessa would somehow make him a better skater, give him tips on how to be lighter on his skates, instead it looks like he's dragging around concrete skates out there compared to only just a season or two ago.

It makes me sad to see how badly he's regressed and afraid of how bad it's gonna get

 

[mapleleaf979]

So what you're saying is the stat is misleading because he's on ice ice for shorthanded goals against, and that doesn't mean he's bad defensively.

Ummm, the powerplay is designed to give the team the overwhelming advantage of having an extra player on the ice and the play start in the offensive zone. When he's the PP quarterback and he's on the ice for goals against that makes his defense even worse considering the other team has 2 forwards instead of 3 skating against him.

The team should theoretically not even be in their defensive zone if the PP quarterback is doing his job properly and either helping the team score a goal, or controlling the blue line and not allowing the puck to clear the zone.

I like Reilly, I have a number of Leaf jerseys and wears his the most as it's my lucky jersey, but he has been awful this year, straight up scary awful. Optimistically I even hoped Tessa would somehow make him a better skater, give him tips on how to be lighter on his skates, instead it looks like he's dragging around concrete skates out there compared to only just a season or two ago.

It makes me sad to see how badly he's regressed and afraid of how bad it's gonna get

Reilly is 15 lbs overweight, that doesnt help his skating. The worst part of Rielly is his mentality. How soft he is and how easy it is to break his will in the corners. Passive and lost running a pp with 4 all stars.

 

[Stephen]

So what you're saying is the stat is misleading because he's on ice ice for shorthanded goals against, and that doesn't mean he's bad defensively.

Ummm, the powerplay is designed to give the team the overwhelming advantage of having an extra player on the ice and the play start in the offensive zone. When he's the PP quarterback and he's on the ice for goals against that makes his defense even worse considering the other team has 2 forwards instead of 3 skating against him.

The team should theoretically not even be in their defensive zone if the PP quarterback is doing his job properly and either helping the team score a goal, or controlling the blue line and not allowing the puck to clear the zone.

I like Reilly, I have a number of Leaf jerseys and wears his the most as it's my lucky jersey, but he has been awful this year, straight up scary awful. Optimistically I even hoped Tessa would somehow make him a better skater, give him tips on how to be lighter on his skates, instead it looks like he's dragging around concrete skates out there compared to only just a season or two ago.

It makes me sad to see how badly he's regressed and afraid of how bad it's gonna get

The crux of the issue is Rielly’s performance, and not the accuracy of the plus minus stat.

Getting into a ground war with Dekes over the validity of how plus minus works and the margins of unfair short handed tallies (how often are SH goals going in?!) is a pure deflection on the topic.

We have enough game footage, contextual information on who is registering these low minus stats around the league, the talking heads are commenting on aspects of the game that there’s more than enough to talk about the player, not some referendum on one stat category.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So what you're saying is the stat is misleading because he's on ice ice for shorthanded goals against, and that doesn't mean he's bad defensively. Ummm, the powerplay is designed to give the team the overwhelming advantage of having an extra player on the ice and the play start in the offensive zone. When he's the PP quarterback and he's on the ice for goals against that makes his defense even worse considering the other team has 2 forwards instead of 3 skating against him.

Goals against on the PP suck, but it's not really representative of normal defensive play. It's generally a result of something like a puck bouncing or a shot block, leading to a quick counter odd man rush or breakaway while your team has no secondary defensive support and everybody is in the offensive zone pushing the other direction. Or just a really weak goal by your goalie.

Have you actually looked at the PP goals against? Rielly barely factored into any of them. One was McCabe going out of position and then the goalie allowing a really weak goal in a nothing 1v2. One was Tavares and Nylander playing 'who can flub their pass worse' at the blueline. One was an empty net goal from behind the opposing goalie's net. And one where Rielly wasn't even on the ice; coming in with the unit change as the puck went in the net.I

The crux of the issue is Rielly’s performance, and not the accuracy of the plus minus stat.

The crux of the issue is people having an incorrect evaluation of Rielly's performance, in part due to poor stats like +/- helping to skew their perception.