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Player Discussion Morgan Rielly

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WTFMAN99 said:
I don't think the trade would be crazy

Detroit - Compher
Seattle - Oleksiak
Calgary - Weegar? We'd need to add to Rielly or maybe Coleman
Vancouver - Garland and/or Soucy
Los Angeles - Not sure what the deal looks
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I don't think he waves for Detroit and Compher doesn't really make them a better club.

Weegar is the same age but better and cheaper so I can't see any Calgary interest. If the Flames finish strong maybe they look at adding to their D this summer so perhaps a Coleman. The Flames like him a lot but he is a winger and their real need is at C.

I don't think Van would move their 3rd leading scorer and Soucy looks bad this year but I think Rielly would waive to go there. If they value Mo enough they actually have room for an LD. I am not sure how much better Garland makes them because they have wingers coming up but he has value and only 1 more year on his deal.

I don't think LA has any cap space once they are healthy but if they want to move Gavrikov that could be a start. However their roster core has a lot of age so would they want to add Mo into his senior years?

Seattle does seem like a place he might waive for but I don't know what they would give up. Oleksiak is not the popular guy of a couple of years ago but he would be more attractive if he was a righty.

For sure its possible but I find it difficult to imagine solving any of their weaknesses if they find a taker he would waive for. The big thing would be if they recognize the value of getting out from under that $7.5M for the next 5 years. We know they are going to get raunched by Marners agent this summer so it could have needed long term cap benefits. But are Shanny and Tre taking the long view now or is it survival? Another short playoff would generate a real shakeup from the Prez on down so who knows?
 
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nuck said:
I don't think he waves for Detroit and Compher doesn't really make them a better club.

Weegar is the same age but better and cheaper so I can't see any Calgary interest. If the Flames finish strong maybe they look at adding to their D this summer so perhaps a Coleman. The Flames like him a lot but he is a winger and their real need is at C.

I don't think Van would move their 3rd leading scorer and Soucy looks bad this year but I think Rielly would waive to go there. If they value Mo enough they actually have room for an LD. I am not sure how much better Garland makes them because they have wingers coming up but he has value and only 1 more year on his deal.

I don't think LA has any cap space once they are healthy but if they want to move Gavrikov that could be a start. However their roster core has a lot of age so would they want to add Mo into his senior years?

Seattle does seem like a place he might waive for but I don't know what they would give up. Oleksiak is not the popular guy of a couple of years ago but he would be more attractive if he was a righty.

For sure its possible but I find it difficult to imagine solving any of their weaknesses if they find a taker he would waive for. The big thing would be if they recognize the value of getting out from under that $7.5M for the next 5 years. We know they are going to get raunched by Marners agent this summer so it could have needed long term cap benefits. But are Shanny and Tre taking the long view now or is it survival? Another short playoff would generate a real shakeup from the Prez on down so who knows?
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AC pointed out that Rielly's wife is from the Michigan / Windsor area (forget) so that might make the Detroit one more viable. Compher is a right shot centre that could likely work as our 3C.

Vancouver would be the one Rielly likely wants the most, Garland is pretty good but it frees up money long term.

LAK is a hard fit to imagine.

Oleksiak has historically played on his off side as a left shot but he's older now, might be hard with his skating.

Calgary...we'd need to add for Weegar 100%, no way around it but they actually have Andersson, Pachal and Mirondov as right shot D. Weegar plays LD for them but their LD otherwise is Bean and Bahl so Rielly would be a big upgrade as a natural left shot but we would need to add something else that is attractive to them. I'd need to think on what that actually is.
 
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Most likely, Rielly is staying put for the duration of the contract and it's going to be a slog.

If cap space permits I almost wouldn't mind just investing in a higher end number one D and just moving Rielly and his cap hit to LW or something like that. His tunnel vision rushing and remaining speed isn't bad and can be shifted away from a more critical position on the blueline. Alleviate him of the defensive responsibilities he's not really great at handling in the first place.
 
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Stephen said:
Most likely, Rielly is staying put for the duration of the contract and it's going to be a slog.

If cap space permits I almost wouldn't mind just investing in a higher end number one D and just moving Rielly and his cap hit to LW or something like that. His tunnel vision rushing and remaining speed isn't bad and can be shifted away from a more critical position on the blueline. Alleviate him of the defensive responsibilities he's not really great at handling in the first place.
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It might work but he would be an expensive 4th line LWer .. he couldn't produce offensively on 1st 3 lines and he doesn't hit so 4th line might be a bad fit .. to me 4th line C is more likely
 
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He's value sunk. Albatross contract.

We just have to hope he can play out of it, but I'm not optimistic.

The speed is gone and what's left?
 
The time to move on was when Petrioangelo was available. I made my plea on here but Leafs as usual kept their core. Handing out NMCs like candy.

An average fan shouldn't be more accurate than an entire scouting and management staff.

Reilly needs a fresh start. Sometimes a player just becomes too complacent after years in the same city and with a secure contract. One can surmise that if it were a UFA year, he'd be playing better and with more focus. He brings passion once in awhile but for a team lacking so much passion, it's only for a fleeting moment.
 
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Sure, by itself plus/minus isn't a great stat, but Rielly's plus/minus this year relative to the numbers of the other defensemen on the team sticks out in a bad way.

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He's minus eight while the other defensive regulars are plus players. Hopefully he'll have a better second-half than first.
 
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Gallagbi said:
Crazy he gets in the foot race given he's behind the net making the pass while Marner and Willy give up on the play
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I only watched the highlight and not the full PP sequence, but Rielly (only defenseman out there) setting up in Wayne Gretzky's office behind the net. Marner didn't see to be all there on that play.
 
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Crazy he gets in the foot race given he's behind the net making the pass while Marner and Willy give up on the play
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I think they misjudged the clearing and thought the puck was going down the ice. Brain dead plays by both regardless.
You could see Marner was mad at himself afterwards.
 
Stephen said:
Most likely, Rielly is staying put for the duration of the contract and it's going to be a slog.

If cap space permits I almost wouldn't mind just investing in a higher end number one D and just moving Rielly and his cap hit to LW or something like that. His tunnel vision rushing and remaining speed isn't bad and can be shifted away from a more critical position on the blueline. Alleviate him of the defensive responsibilities he's not really great at handling in the first place.
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Team badly needs some talent on the backend. We have too many one dimensional defensive dmen who can’t contribute offensively and struggle to make a good first pass hemming us in our zone.

Jealous of teams with mobile, all around blue liners.
 
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DitchMarner said:
He's minus eight while the other defensive regulars are plus players. Hopefully he'll have a better second-half than first.
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Did he happen to be out for the -4 the Leafs took with the goalie pulled while on the PP the one game a couple weeks back? Even if he was, still not a good look for Rielly.
 
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He does not fit Berube’s system super well.
I admittedly have never been a huge fan of his, despite him being a great teammate and representative of the Leafs off the ice. We need more of a shooting PP QB, and that is not Morgan.

My wish is that we could move on from him.
 
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It's over. I wanted him traded SO badly.

Now he's gonna cost a bunch of assets if we want to get rid of him.
 
DitchMarner said:
Sure, by itself plus/minus isn't a great stat, but Rielly's plus/minus this year relative to the numbers of the other defensemen on the team sticks out in a bad way.

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He's minus eight while the other defensive regulars are plus players. Hopefully he'll have a better second-half than first.
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I think this is partly to do with always being the defencemen for ENG, but he has been very disappointing, I agree.
 
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I don't even mind him not putting up the points as much as he used to, clearly the coaching style has affected that, but he's really bad defensively this year.
 
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I just don't think he's a 7.5M defenseman...I think he has a fantastic break out pass and happens to get decent TOI with some talented forwards which at times can pad the stats but he is a liability out there defensively more often than not.

I don't think he's in the cap dump territory or will cost a ton to move...I just think it'll be a similar not as attractive return coming back.

NYR's LD is a blackhole for example, maybe they'd consider a swap for Trochek between now and the off-season? I can't think of a lot of players to turn down a chance to play for Rangers.
 
I just find it funny that Rielly always gets a pass. We raved when he had one solid playoff series but forget all the other poor performances from him.

The guy is over 6’1” and over 220lbs and showed less physicality than Lilly and Sandin did here but rarely gets called out by anyone.

Different coach and GM and they are also dumbfounded in trying to find a partner for him.

Would it be wise to ask Rielly to waive his NMC so we can upgrade the team and use his cap money?

I know some wanted him captain but why? If he is this great leader then why has the team spent yrs trying to get veteran leadership in locker room?

How much resources do we have to waste on old slow vets like Marleau, Thornton, ROR, etc
 
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