Morgan Rielly cross check to the head of Ridley Greig (DOPS UPDATE: In Person Hearing - 6 games or more possible)

[Based Anime Fan]

Given that “intent” generally plays a factor in the outcome, how do you surmise the initial point of contact to not matter?

Intent to injure. What other purpose would a cross check, at speed, towards the upper body entail or imply? Especially one after the play has been blown dead due to a goal.

 

[MCR74]

This reminds me of Tim Hunter and Pierre Turgeon and I think with that, it's completely unnecessary, I think it needs to be punished severely to 25 gamers. This will send a message that this is not tolerated when trying to protect a head injury with CTE issues. This is a red line for NHL especially with lawsuit in the past. If they don't do severely, they are a joke. 25+ games or the NHL is a joke and will send a wrong message, easily send a goon to do it for them and get less suspension.

Who's Tim Hunter?

25 games? Man, crack is a hell of a drug.

Dale Hunter got less, and Turgeon was out cold. Grieg barely felt it in comparison. You have a Vancouver player in your avatar. You should be more than well aware of cheap, career-ending hits. Reilly was nowhere near it.

 

[Petrus]

Now maybe this is an ignorant question from someone (me) who hasn't played the sport, but is "code" then referring to the actions players feel they need to take due to historically ineffective officiating? Because there are goaltender interference, instigator, and various other rules for the things you listed.

I always thought they mean like a "code of honour" thing among players.

Either way, what Greig did isn't an excuse for Rielly's action. I'm just not sure what people mean when they say "code".

Baseball has the most I’ve heard of. The bat flip being one not a violent act but considered unacceptable. Also taking your time to run the bases after home run from what I recall is considered unacceptable by players.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I would love to see him try and see how many beatdowns he receives before he gets the message that people won't stand for that kind of crap.

You mean assaulted cause he scores an empty netter? I bet players won’t do shit after they see how long Reilly gets suspended for

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Intent to injure. What other purpose would a cross check, at speed, towards the upper body entail or imply? Especially one after the play has been blown dead due to a goal.

Gee, I don’t know, that an armoured shoulder vs a face are two monumentally different things?

 

[Based Anime Fan]

Baseball has the most I’ve heard of. The bat flip being one not a violent act but considered unacceptable. Also taking your time to run the bases after home run from what I recall is considered unacceptable by players.

Baseball's unwritten rules are hogshit.

You can't celebrate an HR, it's showboating.
But yet, a pitcher can showboat and celebrate strike outs like a spaz.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Baseball has the most I’ve heard of. The bat flip being one not a violent act but considered unacceptable. Also taking your time to run the bases after home run from what I recall is considered unacceptable by players.

So it is more of a code of honour thing then? That's what I was thinking.

 

[jbeck5]

So would boxers be arrested, so would martial arts be arrested, so would football players who fight get arrested, so would UFC fighters get arrested.

Not a good take.

This isn't my argument, but I think the main difference is punching or striking is within the bounds of those sports.

A fight, is between two willing combatants.

And the other thing is this incident is done well after the whistle, so there's no excuse for a hockey play gone wrong.

So what's the excuse? "I lost my temper" doesn't excuse making a cross check to the head well after the whistle.

Now I'm not the one saying "call the police" but no one has actually give a good counter to the argument of an assault with a weapon.

Saying boxers punch each other is not a good argument and does not excuse a cross check to the head well after a whistle.

I'd love to hear some better counter arguments just for arguments sake.

 

[Based Anime Fan]

So it is more of a code of honour thing then? That's what I was thinking.

Baseball's 'rules' are so that no one gets 'one-upped' or 'embarassed'. Unless you're a pitcher. Or a star SS. Or or or or.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

 

[Petrus]

Baseball's unwritten rules are hogshit.

You can't celebrate an HR, it's showboating.
But yet, a pitcher can showboat and celebrate strike outs like a spaz.

I don’t disagree with you. It adds to the spectacle of the sport.

 

[jbeck5]

and the NHL is fighting fighting fight. More fights in the NHL then any of those sports combined.

Not everyone is a Karen.

There's a clear different because:

A) this isn't 2 willing combatants

And

B) this includes a technical weapon. Not bare fists.

Again, not my argument, but I'd like to hear a better counter on your part. What you said does nothing to counter the original argument.

 

[Commander Clueless]

Baseball's 'rules' are so that no one gets 'one-upped' or 'embarassed'. Unless you're a pitcher. Or a star SS. Or or or or.

Got it.

Open to interpretation.

 

[Based Anime Fan]

I don’t disagree with you. It adds to the spectacle of the sport.

We were robbed of possible great displays of guys like Jr. and Edgar Martinez celebrating great HRs because 'can't show up the pitcher'.

 

[GQS]

That's actually assault out in public. Spitting can be violent. Your spit carries virus and bacteria and no one knows what you're carrying.

The code is about things that are violent.

What Greig did was non violent.

Never is the answer to a non violent act, a violent act. That doesn't make sense.

What Greig did was STUPID. I don't know how you get to the pro leagues and not know that showing up your opponents when you've already won is not a good idea and can likely get you in trouble. Why do you think leagues have rules against excessive taunting? 'Well its just words why so angry?' Because people don't like getting taunted especially when they're down which can lead to players getting heated and angry and responding physically.

You can't possibly tell me that if a Leafs player fired a puck into an empty net like that when they've already won the game that the Sens wouldn't have responded as well. Players from every team in the league would've responded in a similar manner.

 

[TheDoldrums]

You realize that 'primary point of impact' or whatever argument is used doesn't matter in this instance? Reilly smoked him in the head, regardless of where the stick first hit his body. He wasn't in control of his stick and hit another player in the head with it.

He also wasn't clearly in charge of his mind either. Reilly is as tough as Cool Whip.

You realize I was just disagreeing with the guy who said the hit was "from behind" Mr. Anime Fan?

 

[Korpse]

That was a criminal attack and should be facing jail time. Possible felony charges.

It’s funny how bad leafs fans want this to be a thing.

 

[jbeck5]

Now maybe this is an ignorant question from someone (me) who hasn't played the sport, but is "code" then referring to the actions players feel they need to take due to historically ineffective officiating? Because there are goaltender interference, instigator, and various other rules for the things you listed.

I always thought they mean like a "code of honour" thing among players.

Either way, what Greig did isn't an excuse for Rielly's action. I'm just not sure what people mean when they say "code".

I always took code to be unwritten rules around dangerous acts that aren't properly written in the rulebook.

Like there's no rule for extra punishment for a player fighting a goalie, but generally will be considered against the code because a goalie is more likely to get injured (unless you're emery of course)

I never see code for things that don't harm anyone like empty net goals or celebrations. There have always been crazy celebrations like Brad may or theoren Fleury, or Ovechkin, etc.

Things that don't harm anyone have nothing to do with code and everything to do with egos getting hurt.

 

[MCR74]

What Greig did was STUPID. I don't know how you get to the pro leagues and not know that showing up your opponents when you've already won is not a good idea and can likely get you in trouble. Why do you think leagues have rules against excessive taunting? 'Well its just words why so angry?' Because people don't like getting taunted especially when they're down which can lead to players getting heated and angry and responding physically.

You can't possibly tell me that if a Leafs player fired a puck into an empty net like that when they've already won the game that the Sens wouldn't have responded as well. Players from every team in the league would've responded in a similar manner.

Brady loses his shit over less than that.

 

[GQS]

He'd be doing his job effectively then.

The more opposing players get suspended, the weaker other teams get.

Again lets see him have the balls to do it again with another team when going to score an empty netter.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

So it is more of a code of honour thing then? That's what I was thinking.

In this case, it’s simple sportsmanship. See how it goes over in say an NBA game if you pull a showboat dunk when the other team’s fate is sealed.

 

[summer tooth]

Hopefully they throw the book. No room for this thuggish behavior

Reilly's not a thug per se but he's struggled with emotional issues for a long time. Hope he can get his act together

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

What Greig did was STUPID. I don't know how you get to the pro leagues and not know that showing up your opponents when you've already won is not a good idea and can likely get you in trouble. Why do you think leagues have rules against excessive taunting? 'Well its just words why so angry?' Because people don't like getting taunted especially when they're down which can lead to players getting heated and angry and responding physically.

You can't possibly tell me that if a Leafs player fired a puck into an empty net like that when they've already won the game that the Sens wouldn't have responded as well. Players from every team in the league would've responded in a similar manner.

By starting a scrum and throwing punches.

 

[toddkaz]

There's a clear different because:

A) this isn't 2 willing combatants

And

B) this includes a technical weapon. Not bare fists.

Again, not my argument, but I'd like to hear a better counter on your part. What you said does nothing to counter the original argument.

Fights happens in the NHL where one player turtles.

Again players hack, slash and cross check before and after the whistle and from behind.

Its not a sport for Karens.

Also they aren't combatants they are hockey players. Just a ridiculous take.