More Babcock Shenanigans

SirKillalot

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Tell that to Commodore, whose abuse by Babcock had nothing to do with his on ice play.
I don't believe one single word coming out of Commodore 64's mouth.
He thinks Babcock was the one deciding to sign him just to bench him and that was his plan before he got there. Nothing this immature tool says can be taken seriously, he is still a child.

Fact is Commodore was bad in Detroit and he was no better in Tampa after, and thus his NHL career ended cause he sucked. He should praise whoever he believe in, that he won a cup while being on a team that went all the way.
 

wetcoast

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He's essentially having the teammates and trainers rip into each other rather than doing it directly himself.

I don't know why he went about it that way.
Break them down and build them up and I kind of get it but there is a time and place and limits for that type of coaching or leadership and Babcock clearly crossed the line here as my example is from the military not sportsworld.
 

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It’s all been out there and I also question why a guy is worried about a book while still playing
Everyone needs hobbies. Joseph Woll plays piano, Dustin Byfuglien fishes, Jacob Trouba took a painting class and has had his art* exhibited.

Most guys in the league prob spend their time at home sitting on their ass watching tv and playing video games, good for Kadri for doing something that uses his brain.


*Trouba’s artistic process: dress up in hockey gear, slather himself in paint and leap shoulder first into a canvas
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Lshap

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Pro sports has a long history of tough-as-nails coaches who push players to succeed by pressuring/yelling/bullying. In most cases, players look back and see a strategy behind the intensity. Turns out it was only business. Like Ken Dryden said about Scotty Bowman, they hated him for 364 days a year, but loved him the day they lifted the Cup. Tough coach, but nothing personal.

Babcock's problem is that his extreme behaviour isn't tied to any legit strategy and it appears VERY personal. GMs believed his twisted, abusive personality was part of an holistic coaching system, but sometimes being an asshole isn't a methodology. Sometimes you're just an asshole.
 

WarriorofTime

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How was this guy coach for so long?
I'd say he was a bit ahead of the curve in terms of the 2000s and prioritizing speed/skill over goonery. Went to the Finals in his first ever NHL season with a mediocre roster (and Giguere). Leveraged that into the Wings job with a stacked roster, leading to a Cup and great success to really establish reputation as a best in the business type, leveraged into Canada jobs where he did the impossible and won with a short tournament with like 15 Hall of Famers, leveraged into the Leafs job with their very talented young core, continued regular season winnings to buy enough time until act wore off. Look up and it's an 18 year NHL coaching tenure.

When someone has a lot of success, it's easy to ignore [that guy is just mad that he sucks and couldn't make the lineup], brush aside [all coaches do that] or rationalize [it's tough, but it leads to good results]. It also causes other players to stay quiet because they don't want to be viewed as problems/whiners themselves. I had no idea about his treatment of Johan Franzen until after the stuff with Marner. You can be both a bad person and good at your job, and unfortunately a lot of people will conflate that the former leads to the latter... but color me skeptical that whatever mind-games with players aside, that you need to berate arena staff in order to be a good hockey coach.

One would have thought after four years that he'd maybe self-reflect and change some of his behavior when he was hired by Columbus. Then the whole nonsense with the phone thing occurred, suggesting he probably just fundamentally doesn't give a f*ck and is who he is. Him being a supposed "advocate" for mental health makes all of it so much more strange. I can differentiate a player that toes the line and sometimes acts recklessly like Trouba that can be a good guy off the ice, but it's hard to imagine in someone like Babcock's case how he is able to reconcile his behavior and supposed advocacy in his mind.
 
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tarheelhockey

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I think people have said this is basically Babcock’s MO.

In Detroit guys like Chelios never had problems with him but he brutally targeted fringier players or staff.

The stories Franzen bullying should have kept him from getting the Columbus job, why would you unleash this on your employees?

And Babcock’s “who me?” and claims to be “an advocate for mental health” just make it cartoonishly worse.




This sort of thing, especially the part about popping off at seemingly random people in the arena, really makes me wonder if some of these guys have undiagnosed long-term mental decline that people chalk up to just being a hardass.

There are a lot of stories about Eddie Shore behaving like a total psychopath when he went into management. I have a strong suspicion that it connected to the head injuries he experienced not only as a player but as a child in a non-hockey related context. A guy who at one time was extremely intense but not weirdly aggressive gradually became a monster and everyone was like “ha ha, that old time hockey!”
 

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