Proposal: Montreal Retool

[Hunter368]

Trading Laine won't return a potential #1C if that's what your thinking. He's good but not that good. Habs can offer Caufield, Domi, and our 16th OA pick. We can also talk about including one of our young guys at RD (Fleury is NHL ready and Brook probably needs another AHL season or two).

I doubt any team can offer you a proven top 6 talent like Domi who can play center, and also a top prospect like Caufield and the 16th pick... with additional RD options. You might say it's low or not what you are looking for but Habs can also say we are stretching. Laine is not a complete winger and his career stats so far are 36 goals and 67 pts. You won't get 80+ pts and 50 goals and I feel like Jets fans are setting the value way too high on Laine. Like I said... Laine is good but not that good. If he was that good, your GM would have locked him up and not bridged him.

You’ve never seen what I expect for Laine, nor will you.......needless to say fans never know who’s truly available especially when high level player is made available possibly. I’ll wait to see what, if anything is done by Chevy.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Domi seems like the type of guy who could play well from the wing as well if needed. Still I'd rather keep him at center and build 3 quality lines that you can roll out equally. At that point though, if you view him as your 3C, it comes down to how much he asks for. If it's $5M I think you can live with it for a 3C, or technically more of a 2B-center.

I think if you deal him you're just going to end up looking for his type of player again in the near future.

Julien says Domi is better suited at center. But our top 3C's are Suzuki, Kotkaneimi, and Danault. Habs also have too many smaller type wingers so playing Domi on wing don't fit our team needs. The issue here with Domi is he has never played with good top 6 talent on both the Coyotes and Habs. Habs need to be careful with trading him to a team that has good top 6 talent cause he can bust out even more than his age 23 72 pts with 28 goal season.

Age 23 and 24 seasons matter the most

Age 23: 72 pts and 28 goals playing with Shaw full time and Drouin 50% of the time. Only 15% of his points came on the PP that season. Usually, you see 25% - 30% (+/-).
Age 24: 51 pts with 20 goals (prorated). Was bounced all over the line all season long and he still managed decent numbers. This is his low point, not high point.

Domi is worth more than what you see on HF boards. He is a solid candidate to bust out in his prime years if he finally plays with real top 6 talent.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You’ve never seen what I expect for Laine, nor will you.......needless to say fans never know who’s truly available especially when high level player is made available possibly. I’ll wait to see what, if anything is done by Chevy.

Just a point... Laine won't return a potential #1C who is playing NHL today.

And not so sure Laine improves more than who we see today. I have his trade value around 70 pts and 40 goals.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Ekblad is fine and should have been named Captain instead of Barkov but no, he's not moving anywhere anytime soon. That poster has no clue what they're talking about

Looking at it from the Panthers perspective... They can't afford to trade Ekblad. Without Ekblad, Bob's looks even worse! (believe it or not)

 

[Mister Ed]

Proven top 4 LD or a goal scoring winger with size. Lots of fans think we need a young LD but that's not the case. Romanov, Harris, Norlinder, Stuble are very good young LD's with potential. We actually need a goal scoring winger with size the most. Chiarot has been a great signing for us at LD.

I wonder who you're hinting at

 

[jgimp]

Looking at it from the Panthers perspective... They can't afford to trade Ekblad. Without Ekblad, Bob's looks even worse! (believe it or not)

I’ve often wondered about a Laine/Pionk for Ekblad/12OA/Prospect swap. Florida is in desperate need for a shake up. Bringing in a sniper like Laine to play beside Barkov and Huberdeau would ignite the fan base a bit. Pionk comes in to replace Ek and Winnipeg gets a defender to pair with JoMo. 12OA gives them another good prospect to fill the cabinet along with 10 and couple that with for example Tippet, he fills in on the wing to replace some of the lost goals from losing Laine. It hurts each team but fills a need for each.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I’ve often wondered about a Laine/Pionk for Ekblad/12OA/Prospect swap. Florida is in desperate need for a shake up. Bringing in a sniper like Laine to play beside Barkov and Huberdeau would ignite the fan base a bit. Pionk comes in to replace Ek and Winnipeg gets a defender to pair with JoMo. 12OA gives them another good prospect to fill the cabinet along with 10 and couple that with for example Tippet, he fills in on the wing to replace some of the lost goals from losing Laine. It hurts each team but fills a need for each.

Might work if they value the 12th OA. But I doubt they move Ekblad for a winger. Pionk had a good season but they would look at him worse than the Jets look at Domi in terms of these guys being a solution.

Panthers ripping apart their D would make things worse for them IMO. Their D needs work to begin with!

 

[blankall]

So basically if the Habs rip off other teams in 3 deals, they will be a better team.

Let's dissect that Gallagher/Wilson deal. Wilson is younger, more physical, and signed for 4 more years. Gallagher is an upcoming UFA. Both players bring similar offence and energy, but Wilson is just an all around better asset. There's zero chance of that deal going down, and no guys like Lehkonen do not close that gap.

 

[Runner77]

As a DET fan, I would base a trade for Domi around Mantha as the main piece.

Seems fair. Domi has now been dealt, no need to keep offering him to other teams.

What other pieces are on the table for the Habs to be able to acquire a top 4 left PMD?

 

[Gaud]

I know lol, like the hope that Domi can get you a Brodin, or Dumba, or 9th overall

Sergachev got us Drouin and he was a 9th. I dont think his value had lowered since the draft, and Domi>Drouin, IMO

 

[Subway Schenn]

15th overall pick + 2nd or 3rd next year (conditional) + Kerfoot for Max to the Leafs.

Not sure why the Habs are down on him after an off year.

 

[Captain Mountain]

15th overall pick + 2nd or 3rd next year (conditional) + Kerfoot for Max to the Leafs.

Not sure why the Habs are down on him after an off year.

Habs likely pass. Don't need Kerfoot.

And I don't think the Habs are down on Domi as much as HFBoards - Trade Rumours and Free Agent Talk is down on him. But he's very clearly better at center and he's not as strong defensively there as Danault, Suzuki or Kotkaniemi. Suzuki and Kotkaniemi are kind of starting to push for more play time with their play and Montreal needs to make room.

 

[Subway Schenn]

Habs likely pass. Don't need Kerfoot.

And I don't think the Habs are down on Domi as much as HFBoards - Trade Rumours and Free Agent Talk is down on him. But he's very clearly better at center and he's not as strong defensively there as Danault, Suzuki or Kotkaniemi. Suzuki and Kotkaniemi are kind of starting to push for more play time with their play and Montreal needs to make room.

I don't know, the sense I get is that Montreal could definitely end up regretting trading Domi (to a higher degree than the Leafs will regret trading Kadri).

I'd move a mid-1st and 2nd for him and it seems like there's some appetite there.

 

[JustAHabFan]

I don't know, the sense I get is that Montreal could definitely end up regretting trading Domi (to a higher degree than the Leafs will regret trading Kadri).

I'd move a mid-1st and 2nd for him and it seems like there's some appetite there.

They may. But Suzuki and KK are doing well at Centers ATM. Domi is not going to be happy as 3rd C. The Habs does not really have a choice here.

 

[waitin425]

15th overall pick + 2nd or 3rd next year (conditional) + Kerfoot for Max to the Leafs.

Not sure why the Habs are down on him after an off year.

Actually not bad. I'd prefer to trade him out west but the 15th is a pretty nice get.

I wonder if we could move up to 8 or 9 by packaging the 15th + 16th.

Maybe land Holtz if he slips

 

[Habs Halifax]

15th overall pick + 2nd or 3rd next year (conditional) + Kerfoot for Max to the Leafs.

Not sure why the Habs are down on him after an off year.

Not all Habs fans but a lot of them yes. Habs are their own worse enemies. The movement in the hero vs zero scale is comical from season to season

- Price sucks.. trade him for 50% retention and get whatever you can.
- Make a deal with Seattle to have them take Price
- Price is god again
- Weber is going to decline real hard
- Weber is a beast
- Chiarot sucks. Bergevin with his depth moves man
- Chiarot is a beast
- Trade Petry and Tatar for futures.
- Keep Petry, Trade Tatar lol
- KK is going to be a star after his age 18 season cause he "don't look out of place"
- KK sucks in his age 19 season
- KK has a great playoffs... back to being a future star lol
- Domi is awesome after his age 23 season.
- Domi sucks and trade him for whatever.

Our coach bounced Domi all over the line-up and treated him like Seguin back with the Bruins. Because Domi struggled to put up 72 pts and 28 goals again, he sucks again but they ignore the usage by our coach. Domi is a good talent and I'm sure other GM's are trying to buy low but it's not going to happen. Bergevin's phone is ringing I am sure. Habs would decline the 15th, 2nd, 3rd, and Kerfoot offer. There is nothing the Leafs can spare that we would consider meeting our team needs. 15th pick? We have the 16th pick and we might trade that ourselves.

Domi with 16th
or
Domi with Caufield

We are after a big fish

 

[Captain Mountain]

I don't know, the sense I get is that Montreal could definitely end up regretting trading Domi (to a higher degree than the Leafs will regret trading Kadri).

I'm not super keen on Montreal trading Domi (he's a high end playmaker on a team with almost no goal scoring talent), but I get the challenge.

-Danault is local and one of the better two way centers in the NHL who, while limited on the PP, is a strong PK player and really strong ES centers.
-Kotkaniemi had a tough sophmore season due to injuries and bad play, but his rookie season and play in the bubble point shows tantalizing upside.
-Suzuki was better than Domi this season, is younger and has much more two way upside.

If all of Domi, Bergevin and Julien see him as a center and Montreal doesn't have the space for him, then its best to get the best possible deal for him in a trade, especially of you can address Montreal's long-standing goal scoring needs.

 

[Subway Schenn]

Our coach bounced Domi all over the line-up and treated him like Seguin back with the Bruins. Because Domi struggled to put up 72 pts and 28 goals again, he sucks again but they ignore the usage by our coach. Domi is a good talent and I'm sure other GM's are trying to buy low but it's not going to happen. Bergevin's phone is ringing I am sure. Habs would decline the 15th, 2nd, 3rd, and Kerfoot offer. There is nothing the Leafs can spare that we would consider meeting our team needs. 15th pick? We have the 16th pick and we might trade that ourselves.

Domi with 16th
or
Domi with Caufield

We are after a big fish

If I were a Habs fan, I'd really hope Bergevin sees it this way!

 

[Habs Halifax]

If I were a Habs fan, I'd really hope Bergevin sees it this way!

I think he does but circumstance plays a huge factor here. Covid-19 flat cap is helping our probability but we still might not be able to pull it off. I do think pieces like Domi, 16th OA, and Poehling are in play. Not so much with Caufield but that depends on who's coming the other way

 

[Habs Halifax]

Actually not bad. I'd prefer to trade him out west but the 15th is a pretty nice get.

I wonder if we could move up to 8 or 9 by packaging the 15th + 16th.

Maybe land Holtz if he slips

You are overvaluing the 15th pick cause it might be a player like Domi or he might bust. I think you think the 15th pick is a guarenteed hit and it don't work that way. Domi is worth more than that and I get it... fans are frustrated with him after his age 23 season of 72 pts and 28 goals. But I also think those same fans are overlooking how Julien managed Domi like Seguin and much worse! Domi didn't help himself but there is context at play there with how he was used this past year.

Talent needs to play with talent. Especially the 2nd tier types like Domi. Reality

Why the hell would we go after futures and Kerfoot who clutters our bottom 6? It makes no sense. Domi is not 30+, he's 25 heading into prime years. And he is not just some 40-50 pts forward either

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sergachev got us Drouin and he was a 9th. I dont think his value had lowered since the draft, and Domi>Drouin, IMO

Drouin was traded for that value cause of circumstance of Tampa with their cap and expansion draft. Yzerman managed to get a 2nd round conditional pick as insurance

 

[Subway Schenn]

Darren Ferris now representing Max. **** that!

 

[HuGo Sham]

15th overall pick + 2nd or 3rd next year (conditional) + Kerfoot for Max to the Leafs.

Not sure why the Habs are down on him after an off year.

many of us are not down on him..habs just have depth like they never have at C..
personally would be terrified of him on the leafs ..
ps habs don't need kerfoot