Value of: Montreal Canadiens Looking to Add Some Grit to Their Defensive Corps/Bottom 6

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The guy who was a healthy scratch for us last year and is now blocking your 2OA dman from getting into games? We need to let our young D develop
Kivacevic is playing very well. NJ added him thinking he’d be a seventh guy and he’s playing as well as any defender on the team. I’m sure the NJ staff is as surprised as anyone. NJ is trying to win hence all the off season adds. Nemec will get his turn but NJ is past the point of prioritizing the development of young players over winning. Whether it works out for them we will see.
 

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The guy who was a healthy scratch for us last year and is now blocking your 2OA dman from getting into games? We need to let our young D develop
He’s not blocking anything. He outplayed Nemec to earn the spot on the team. That’s straight from the coach’s mouth.

If your young players are developing into a bunch of losers that’s not going to help anyone or anything. Please note I’m not saying any of them are bad but they are collectively one of if not the worst defense in the league right now. Maybe the play the young guys no matter what strategy isn’t a very good one even if the goal is tanking.

I agree but he isn't a top 4 guy.
No but he doesn’t need to be. He isn’t top 4 on the Devils either. He adds grit which is what was being requested in the op.

With Pesce returning it honestly might make sense for the Devils to trade him soon too if he keeps up the good play.
 
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He’s not blocking anything. He outplayed Nemec to earn the spot on the team. That’s straight from the coach’s mouth.

If your young players are developing into a bunch of losers that’s not going to help anyone or anything. Please note I’m not saying any of them are bad but they are collectively one of if not the worst defense in the league right now. Maybe the play the young guys no matter what strategy isn’t a very good one even if the goal is tanking.


No but he doesn’t need to be. He isn’t top 4 on the Devils either. He adds grit which is what was being requested in the op.

With Pesce returning it honestly might make sense for the Devils to trade him soon too if he keeps up the good play.
Teams are in different places, at the time of the trade we had 3 RHD with high expectations battling for the one spot, all with a higher ceiling than Kovacevic, not saying better today but in 2 years when we should be starting to compete, so he was never part of the long term plans, Could maybe have got more if they waited or could’ve got nothing if they had to put him on waivers. Unfortunately injuries have hit again and definitely looking more like another tank year which is fine.
 
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Teams are in different places, at the time of the trade we had 3 RHD with high expectations battling for the one spot, all with a higher ceiling than Kovacevic, not saying better today but in 2 years when we should be starting to compete, so he was never part of the long term plans, Could maybe have got more if they waited or could’ve got nothing if they had to put him on waivers. Unfortunately injuries have hit again and definitely looking more like another tank year which is fine.
Did Savard look better then Kovacevic last year? I struggle to see why he was kept instead of Kovy. Yeah Savard is older and a "veteran" but I'd think Skill > Veteran is more logical.
 

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Did Savard look better than Kovacevic last year? I struggle to see why he was kept instead of Kovy. Yeah Savard is older and a "veteran" but I'd think Skill > Veteran is more logical.
Savard played very well last year, has been brutal this year. Think the thought was good. Veteran presence for most of the season and a trade chip at the deadline, wouldn’t have much value with his current play unless there’s an extreme shortage of RHD on the market.
 

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He’s not blocking anything. He outplayed Nemec to earn the spot on the team. That’s straight from the coach’s mouth.

If your young players are developing into a bunch of losers that’s not going to help anyone or anything. Please note I’m not saying any of them are bad but they are collectively one of if not the worst defense in the league right now. Maybe the play the young guys no matter what strategy isn’t a very good one even if the goal is tanking.


No but he doesn’t need to be. He isn’t top 4 on the Devils either. He adds grit which is what was being requested in the op.

With Pesce returning it honestly might make sense for the Devils to trade him soon too if he keeps up the good play.
Yea I get it but I think there is enough grit on the D. A top 4 RHD is a far more pressing need. One with about 2 years left on his deal. That would give time for Mailloux and Reinbacher time to develop. I think the grit is more needed in the bottom 6.
 

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Avs offer Miles Wood, De Haan and Oskar Olausson for Jake Evans, Dvorak and Kidney.
De Haan is a left handed bttom pairing defenseman, doesn't filll the need for physical/stay at home RHD.

I don't know Oskar Olausson so can't comment on that.

I may entertain Miles Wood for Dvorak 1v1, but then you throw in Jake Evans who is undoubtly the best pieces on both sides and this just won't work.

NO GO.
 

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Lindgren is a fine stopgap, this yr 4.5 expiring, if mutual interest, you have dibs on renewing before ufa status kicks in

capwages.com has him as LD/RD, but lefty shot really an LD
not a unicorn who does it all but is 6'0" 190+ solid, can clear the crease and otherwise ok, fully delivers grit sought, shows his playing with heart every night

prior to accumulated wear + tear, coupla yrs ago price was more
current, imo
Lindgren + Vesey + next 2 Ranger 3rds [2026 + 2027]
for
small add (Barron) + next 2 Hab 2nds [2025 + 2026, but flexible ok if later yrs]

throwing in Vesey 800k expiring, want NHL mins for Rempe which is long term smarter

McCarron no longer on MON

you get short term answer
Rs get cap space + futures, we have Mancini available now and Fortescue down the road
There is no chance Montreal throw 2x high 2nd at Lindgren, even with 2x late third coming back.

Barron + 2nd for Lindgren straight up would have been a deal I would have been open to if he had another year on his deal. The fact that he’s UFA at the end of the year kills this one for me. We need a stop gap for this year and next.

The fact that he’s a lefty also doesn’t help your case for this trade but otherwise the profile is right on the dot

Hate to be a hindsight guy but maybe trading Kovacevic was a mistake.
He was not steady enough to be in the top 4 and we need someone to eat minutes while we ease in Mailloux and Reinbacher over the next two years. Something Kovacevic is unable to do on a longer period of time
 

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Did Savard look better then Kovacevic last year? I struggle to see why he was kept instead of Kovy. Yeah Savard is older and a "veteran" but I'd think Skill > Veteran is more logical.
Honestly yes and not even close. Savard was a legit 2nd pair option last year and he's been almost an extra coach for their young blue line
 

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Plekanec was a #1C? In the AHL you mean?
He was 22th in points from 2007-2008 to 2014-2015 amongst NHL C, so in a way you could say he was a low-end #1C in that 8 seasons time span, specially considering he was solid in his own zone.
 

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He was 22th in points from 2007-2008 to 2014-2015 amongst NHL C, so in a way you could say he was a low-end #1C in that 8 seasons time span, specially considering he was solid in his own zone.
Ok, but it would be more accurate to say he was a good #2C as most of the time Saku was the actual #1C, though neither was ever a true #1C based on their offensive ability. Both good two way guys though
 

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Ok, but it would be more accurate to say he was a good #2C as most of the time Saku was the actual #1C, though neither was ever a true #1C based on their offensive ability. Both good two way guys though
Saku Koivu stopped playing from Montreal in 2008-2009, I talked about the 2007-2008 to 2014-2015 timeline.

Not sure what both have to do together. Plekanec was the #1C for most of that timespan.

If you want to remove the 2 years Saku was there and go from 2009-2010 to 2015-2016, Plekanec was #23 in C scoring, centering MTL first line. So by definition, he was a low end #C for at least 7 seasons, there is no really arguing about that.
 

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Saku Koivu stopped playing from Montreal in 2008-2009, I talked about the 2007-2008 to 2014-2015 timeline.

Not sure what both have to do together. Plekanec was the #1C for most of that timespan.

If you want to remove the 2 years Saku was there and go from 2009-2010 to 2015-2016, Plekanec was #23 in C scoring, centering MTL first line. So by definition, he was a low end #C for at least 7 seasons, there is no really arguing about that.
Ok, fair enough, I wouldn't argue that he didn't have #1C ice time, just that they were both better suited as #2C's, much like Suzuki
 
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Ok, fair enough, I wouldn't argue that he didn't have #1C ice time, just that they were both better suited as #2C's, much like Suzuki
That I agree, he would have better suited for #2C on a contender. But he definitely was a #1 C for a good chunk of his career, albeit, like I said, a low end one.
 
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I wish they would have handled this in the offseason instead of trotting out the exact same roster and expecting different results. I’ll give them a pass on D because of the injuries but they should have got some help for that bottom six in the offseason. I know he’s been scratched a lot but Pezetta is not an NHLer. They should have brought in atleast one real NHLer for the bottom six.
 

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