HF Habs: Montreal Canadiens Hockey Ops - Part 3

[ReHabs]

A bold claim.

Reggie Houle gave away the greatest goalie of all time for magic beans. Not even magic beans. Just beans.

Gave away Damphousse and Recchi for nothing, and managed to turn Pierre Turgeon AND Craig Conroy into Shayne Corson and Murray Barron.

There’s 4 Hall of Famer’s for a net profit of negative 5000. It may never be replicated.

I hated Bargain Bin, but Reggie Houle might be the worst NHL GM of all time.

Houle had economic restrictions placed on him that Bergevin never had. Not an excuse, just context.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

Houle had economic restrictions placed on him that Bergevin never had. Not an excuse, just context.

I will give you that as a small point. I mean Serge Savard said that he had a deal worked out for Roy that included getting Owen Nolan and other pieces coming back to Montreal. Much better than what dumbass Houle managed to get - plus he threw in the captain Mike Keane!!!

You can’t tell me that he got anything close to value on what he gave away. He managed to turn dollars into nickels pretty easily.

 

[BLONG7]

A bold claim.

Reggie Houle gave away the greatest goalie of all time for magic beans. Not even magic beans. Just beans.

Gave away Damphousse and Recchi for nothing, and managed to turn Pierre Turgeon AND Craig Conroy into Shayne Corson and Murray Barron.

There’s 4 Hall of Famer’s for a net profit of negative 5000. It may never be replicated.

I hated Bargain Bin, but Reggie Houle might be the worst NHL GM of all time.

Reggie Houle,was a puppet..............you are really talking about Ronald Corey.
Greatest goalie of all time??? I loved Patrick but seriously, he was not the greatest......one of but not The greatest.

Anyhow Bergevin is clear and away winner of stupidity while running the team.

 

[Habs4Life]

Reggie Houle,was a puppet..............you are really talking about Ronald Corey.
Greatest goalie of all time??? I loved Patrick but seriously, he was not the greatest......one of but not The greatest.

Anyhow Bergevin is clear and away winner of stupidity while running the team.

that's very debatable in my opinion he was one of the greatest if not the greatest goalie of all time.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Reggie Houle,was a puppet..............you are really talking about Ronald Corey.
Greatest goalie of all time??? I loved Patrick but seriously, he was not the greatest......one of but not The greatest.

Anyhow Bergevin is clear and away winner of stupidity while running the team.

Roy is absolutely in the conversation as the greatest goaltender of all time. Hasek is the only other name in that discussion for me and he never did what Roy did in the post season. Brodeur was a very good goalie but was overrated imo and benefited enormously from playing behind the best defensive team of his era and the coaching of Jacques Lemaire. Montreal's last Cup win would have been in 1979 if any other goalie not named Patrick Roy was in net for their 1986 and 1993 championship runs. Hasek would have eventually choked or got injured as he commonly did in the playoffs and Brodeur would not have stole the games that Patty did.

He is the only goaltender and incredibly the only player with 3 Conn Smythe awards and there has never been a goaltender who twice was such a clear and obvious choice as the playoff MVP.

There is no rational argument that has him anything less than the greatest playoff goaltender in modern history and that is easily the most important distinction when assessing who the greatest goalie of all time is.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Roy is absolutely in the conversation as the greatest goaltender of all time. Hasek is the only other name in that discussion for me and he never did what Roy did in the post season. Brodeur was a very good goalie but was overrated imo and benefited enormously from playing behind the best defensive team of his era and the coaching of Jacques Lemaire. Montreal's last Cup win would have been in 1979 if any other goalie not named Patrick Roy was in net for their 1986 and 1993 championship runs. Hasek would have eventually choked or got injured as he commonly did in the playoffs and Brodeur would not have stole the games that Patty did.

He is the only goaltender and incredibly the only player with 3 Conn Smythe awards and there has never been a goaltender who twice was such a clear and obvious choice as the playoff MVP.

There is no rational argument that has him anything less than the greatest playoff goaltender in modern history and that is easily the most important distinction when assessing who the greatest goalie of all time is.

Hasek is the greatest.. Roy is 2nd.. then Brodeur is solidly in 3rd, and the debate goes from there.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I will give you that as a small point. I mean Serge Savard said that he had a deal worked out for Roy that included getting Owen Nolan and other pieces coming back to Montreal. Much better than what dumbass Houle managed to get - plus he threw in the captain Mike Keane!!!

You can’t tell me that he got anything close to value on what he gave away. He managed to turn dollars into nickels pretty easily.

You didn’t like Roy/Keane for Rucinksky/kovalenko and Thibault? I don’t blame that all on Houle. He wasn’t the idiot who forced him out of town. He had a mandate to unload Patrick quickly, so that’s what he did.

 

[the valiant effort]

Hasek had a career .930 for the Sabres in the playoffs lol

 

[Miller Time]

Monty looking confident out there

 

[morhilane]

I found back the website with weird NHLs stats I found last year for the back-to-back win/loss ratio. Turns out there is a lot more on it. Like coach challenges win/loss rates.

https://morehockeystats.com/coaches/challenge

MSL was super bad in 2022-2023 with then, but has a 100% success rate last year.

 

[Rapala]

I found back the website with weird NHLs stats I found last year for the back-to-back win/loss ratio. Turns out there is a lot more on it. Like coach challenges win/loss rates.

https://morehockeystats.com/coaches/challenge

MSL was super bad in 2022-2023 with then, but has a 100% success rate last year.

Our video team was super bad...

 

[GrandmaCookie]

Hockey is fun to watch again

 

[Skip Bayless]

delete

 

[Habs Halifax]

He should have gone all in when he arrived when
Price/Subban/Pac entered their prime and Plekanec/Markov where still good player. Overpay for a #1 C

Don't think they had the assets to get that impact center. That was a topic that was discussed over and over again.

Regardless, A true rebuild for me is core pieces in place as well as the depth behind them to support it. Otherwise, you are forced to fill holes with trades and UFA and that can create cap issues. Ask the Leafs and Oilers.

I think we are in a very good spot. If guys like Slaf, Hutson, Demidov (Add Dach to that list as well) support this core as legit top of the line-up assets, this team is going to be a top 10 or top 5 contender. The depth behind the core is unreal IMO.

Will be interesting to monitor Dach's progression as a top 2C. Lets say he struggles to play at that high level game/game, what does our management do? Do we try Demidov at center?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Don't think they had the assets to get that impact center. That was a topic that was discussed over and over again.

Regardless, A true rebuild for me is core pieces in place as well as the depth behind them to support it. Otherwise, you are forced to fill holes with trades and UFA and that can create cap issues. Ask the Leafs and Oilers.

I think we are in a very good spot. If guys like Slaf, Hutson, Demidov (Add Dach to that list as well) support this core as legit top of the line-up assets, this team is going to be a top 10 or top 5 contender. The depth behind the core is unreal IMO.

Will be interesting to monitor Dach's progression as a top 2C. Lets say he struggles to play at that high level game/game, what does our management do? Do we try Demidov at center?

Michael Hage and I would expect our top pick this year to also be a centerman unless we win the lottery and can pick Porter Martone.