Beer and Chips
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I'm chosing to be grateful Molson learned from his mistakes.
HF Habs: Montreal Canadiens Hockey Ops - Part 3
- Thread starter Adam Michaels
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What was truly insane was the extent to which many fans and the media went to keep defending Bozovin and Timbits by lapping up all their pathetic excuses ( trades are hard, we don’t draft high enough, we don’t have enough picks, it’s on the player to improve, it’s all about attitude and character, etc...)
They were so behind in using analytics, data technology, and performance and fitness specialists that is was downright embarrassing for a team this rich in money and history.
I know I wasn’t the only one, but I cannot tell you how many heated arguments I got into people on this board who defended those 2 clowns tooth and nail to the very end. Truly mind boggling
He took at least 5 years too long to learn from his mistakes.
Like taking 12 years to get out of grade school.
WeThreeKings
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@Adam Michaels I expect a full English dissertation on the Hughes Marinaro interview happening right now.
Marinaro said he would discuss and translate the interview tonight on his podcast for what that's worth
red devil
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Most important things:
1) He would not discuss Askarov. Said Gordon told him the NHL doesn't like teams speaking about players on other teams.
2) Trading for Laine was a reward for the team playing all out every game. To help the team get to the next step.
3) He can't wait for Demidov to come, he said Habs fans will love Ivan Demidov.
4) About Pierre's Mcguire suggestion of playing 7D to play Hutson soft minutes, he said the canadiens will not hide Lane Hutson, that either he plays a regular shift or he starts in the NHL. He also said he has been watching Lane Hutson for 4 years and he has been able to adapt and excel at every level.
5) Laine's salary doesn't worry him or the team. He believes Laine didn't forget how to play hockey and in the habs culture and dressing, he will turn it around.
6) He wouldn't rule out a trade before start of season but no ongoing talks right now.
7) Cole vs Laine on the PP1, not his decision and its up to marty.
8) No Plans to hire another assistant coach. Up to marty who handles PP.
9) He is moving to new Hampshire Sept 4th.
10) The rebuild isn't done but he wants to see them in the mix for the playoffs this year.
Yeah alot of questions he was asked were questions better suited for the coach, not the GM.
Correct and he suggested Marty be invited to the show.
He was asked about the top line staying intact, he said he would expect it does but again up to Marty.
He was asked about Serge Savard concern for size of the team, he said its about finding a balance, not everyone can be 6'4 and not everyone can be 5'8.
Vachon23
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I strongly disagree with that decision, MSL clearly needed help on his structure and game time management
I was very surprised he flat out rejected the idea. I think it was the one thing he was definite about lol
Pretty much means the plan is for Hutson/Mailloux/Reinbacher to start in the AHL.
Also, means Pezz/Gignac/ABB/Roy are all sent to the AHL (they can keep one to the be 13th forward technically but won't have the cap space for it).
xX SEYF Xx
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one of Struble/Hutson/Mailloux is starting with the habs, maybe 2
also Roy and Pezz are staying up
Roy and one or 2 Ds will be sent down in paper transactions, that's all, but they starting up
xX SEYF Xx
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Marinaro was very badly prepared for this interview, 80% of coach questions!! Kent was repeatedly telling him you should ask Marty.
There was so much material, too bad
There was so much material, too bad
LaP
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Doesn't work.
With Pezz/Gignac/ABB/Roy Montreal is at 11th forwards. You need 12th minimum. Pazette is more of a 13th forward imo too.
Caufield-Suzuki-Slaf
Newhook-Dach-Laine
Roy-Dvorak-Gallagher
Anderson-Evans-Armia
Pazetta
RHP (injured for at least 1 month)
RHP will be injured to start the season for at least one month and once he returns there will probably be injuries. Don't think he's part of the plan anymore anyway if there's no injuries and Roy is doing well i expect someone to be waived or a trade involving Pazetta with Demidov likely coming in next season.
As for the defense i think they'll want one of Reinbacher/Hutson/Mailloux/Engstrom in the NHL if one is ready. You don't want to be stuck in a position where you keep all of them in the AHL depite one being ready just to play hardball and then the next year they are all more than ready enough and you have two or three green rookies in the lineup at defense.
We don't aim to be ready to compete in 2050. If one of them is mentally and physically ready no reason to keep him in the AHL just because they need to learn RISPEK and LIDERSHIP. NHL experience can't be gained in the AHL and on average players need around 150 games of NHL experience before they are ready to win.
I expect the defense to be :
Matheson-Guhle
Hutson-Savard
Xhekaj-Barron
Struble
or
Matheson-Savard
Guhle-Barron
Xhekaj-Reinbacher
Struble
or
Matheson-Savard
Guhle-Barron
Xhekaj-Mailloux
Struble
or
Matheson-Guhle
Engstrom-Savard
Xhekaj-Barron
Struble
People also forget Struble just have one year of pro experience and doesn't have to be waived, I expect them to rotate between the bolded young dmen to avoid overworking them and to give them NHL experience facing the likes of McJesus, MacKinnon, Crosby, .... I'd be very surprised if our 7th dman this year is a placeholder. I think for this to happen all kids will need to be clearly without a single shade of doubt not ready.
I know the "let them rot in the AHL until they learn RISPEK" mentally is very strong with our fanbase and media but i don't think this is an attitude our management share. They'll do it intelligibly and will focus on what's best for the players and team moving forward.
All pretty and stuff, but Hughes said they wanted to accrue cap space and that means starting with 20 players (12F, 6D) to be under the cap and no LTIR if no trade is planned. They will call people up once they accrued enough to do so (or more injuries happens).
Also, while Struble is waiver exempt, it's only for a few more games (like 11 from what I remember). I'm actually counting him among the 6D (with Matheson, Xhekaj, Guhle, Savard and Barron).
And yes, there is only 11th forwards until RHP is cleared to play, so one of Pezz/Roy will get to stay up for a while.
If Hughes wants to make place for more players and not use LTIR to accrue cap space, a trade will have to happen.
Sorinth
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They'll have the space once Price goes on LTIR which happens at noon on Day 1.
By 7pm on opening day they'll have 2 of those forwards (Or some other rookie who steals a spot like say F. Xhekaj) and one of those D on the roster.
EDIT: Your other post came in as I was writing mine, but to answer that, there's no need to accrue cap space with Price on LTIR, the only thing that matters is that Price isn't on the offseason LTIR.
Can't accrue cap space if Price is on LTIR and Hughes, a few days ago, said they were planning on accruing cap space.
LaP
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We have like 8 millions in cap space once Price is on LTIR i think. I still think people are wrong about the defense. Let's say we keep all of Engstrom/Mailloux/Reinbacher/Hutson in the AHL for most of the AHL season.
That will leave us with 4 talented young dmen having nearly 0 NHL experience who might be ready to graduate in 2025-26.
Mailloux will have 2 years of AHL experience and be 22.
Engstrom will have two years of SHL experience and one year of AHL experience and be 22
Reinbacher 1 yeah of AHL experience
Hutson 1 year of AHL experience.
We'll be stuck in a situation where it's more than possible two of them are ready to jump in the NHL in 2025-26 so we'll have two green rookies in the top 6, I still firmly believe they'll want to bring one this year if one is ready (far from impossible) and another one in 2025-26.
LaP
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We are talking about 20-30 games max though, Doubt they'll accrue cap space for more than that. A player playing 20 games in the AHL and 60 in the NHL is a player who played in the NHL. If we are debating whatever a player who played 50-60 NHL games played in the NHL or not then we are debating useless semantic here.
MrNasty
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My understanding: You can accrue cap space if you wait until in-season (Day 1) to put Price on LTIR which sounds like the plan. You can't accrue cap space if you put him on LTIR in the offseason.
They are fine.
Sorinth
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Yeah they no doubt will want to stagger the integration of the young D because having 3 rookie D and another 2-3 D with less then 200 games of experience is a recipe for finishing in the basement at a time when management will want to be talking about making the playoffs.
Obviously how everyone looks at camp can/will change things but I honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Struble is actually the odd man out and gets sent to the A to start the year but plays 40-50 NHL games as injury replacement much like last year.
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