He also had broken ribs (protruding from his back!) the season before he was traded to the Habs and the first hip surgery is missing (one for each hips).
Monahan: Trade or Extend (assuming a decent season)
- Thread starter DAChampion
- Start date
Trade him before he falls apart again.. and cause hes too good they play him too much which increase the risk.
Sorinth
Registered User
- Jan 18, 2013
- 11,597
- 6,240
If you trade him to a contender and he has a good playoff run there's a good chance he gets re-signed before we can smooth over any hard feelings. Obviously the ideal is to get an extra 1st and then re-sign him but it adds a ton of risk, but if you are always taking risks looking for the "perfect" then you will fail.
Also not trading a player for a 1st isn't at all the same as trading a 1st for a player. It's just something GMs say to make fans feel better about a GM doing nothing at the deadline.
The odds are if he is traded there won't be hard feelings. But if the team he is traded to does well and offers him a contract there is every chance he signs with them.
Beer and Chips
Registered User
- Feb 5, 2018
- 1,482
- 1,122
The injury history is horrible listed together and his age, yet he is the best overall player we have right now, that's scary.
LesCanadiens
Hardcore Curmudgeon
I still am in awe and disbelief that we were given a likely high 1st rounder to take this player, lol. Has to be one of the greatest moves by a GM in recent history.
The sweetener is...the dumbass
who gifted him and the pick to us, was just handed the keys to Leafdom. You just can't make this up. 
The sweetener is...the dumbass
who gifted him and the pick to us, was just handed the keys to Leafdom. You just can't make this up. 
StCaufield
Registered User
- Mar 14, 2022
- 2,514
- 2,349
Im no doctor but there’s 2 injuries there that can actually cause issues down the road. Also nobody will give him a long term contract because of that so chill. The sky isn’t falling
Hannibal
Fear the Weber
- Feb 11, 2007
- 11,161
- 8,761
JianYang
Registered User
- Sep 29, 2017
- 19,492
- 18,832
Monahan has generally been a legit top line talent throughout his career, so thats not a scary part.
Obviously, there are serious questions about his health, but he's a very legit talent.
LaP
Registered User
Monahan is without any doubt a legit 60-80 points players. He proved it many times in his career. Obviously for anyone watching him play this season he is still that guy if healthy. The big question mark is his health specially moving forward (new contract). But for a team willing to win now if he's healthy at the deadline he will be one of the best players available.
Its not only the 60 pts but he is a top 10 faceoff man in the NHL in terms of % and total faceoffs won, and top 3 last I looked faceoff % in his own zone. A center that can take defensive draws in the playoffs and give you 60pts is a HUGE add for ANYBODY. He can also easily fit in on the wing to compensate for a center with a bad faceoff % like he did with Darch. A very useful player.
If he stays healthy Monahan will be worth a huge package. That's a big IF but lets see.
He's young enough that I'd extend. Don't believe there's anyone in the organization that can develop anywhere as good any time soon and the young wingers need someone to play with. Dvorak/Evans are not who you want prospects to play with, Newhook is no C, and Dach is injury prone to rely on.
26Mats
Registered User
- Jun 23, 2018
- 33,376
- 25,770
This. We see with Dach going down what an impact it has on young players like Slaf and Newhook.
We need better sees than Dvo on the top 9. If there's room in the top 9 for Dvo, I'm all for it. But I don't like him as a top 9c.
Next year I'm looking forward to seeing something like:
Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Newhook - Dach - Anderson
RHP - Monahan - Gallagher
Evans - Dvo - Ylonen
Pez, Armia
But Roy amd Heineman will push for jobs.
Not sure where Dvo (and maybe Anderson) fit. But I want Monahan.
What's a huge package? A late first pick getting us someone like Mesar or Poehling or Scherbak or Juulsen or McCarron or Tinordi, plus a prospect like Smilanic?
A near ready NHL prospect with good upside is indeed a better return than a late 1st round pick. There is less uncertainty about the return.
I'm still limp after reading that projected lineup because those players are then current reality moving forward. Nothing at all to get excited about.
We better hope Roy is a steal as a 5th round pick that develops into a legitimate top-6 winger with a solid production (60+ points) that at least becomesavery good 2nd line player.
Then,Montreal will need to package some draft capital + veteran + prospect to land an elite winger, at the very least.
More enticed by an eventual lineup that boasts:
Caufield - Suzuki - Elite winger
Slafkovsky - Dach - Roy
Newhook - Monahan - Anderson
RHP- Beck - Heineman
Gallagher, Ylonen, Pizza Man
Then, we'dbe talking about a highly competitive forward group with depth in case of injury (especially with the C-line), and a highly competitive team if the D-Corps pans out and we can find a good starting G (with Montembeault as a relatively inexpensive backup that can keep you in the games and prevent the starting G from playing too many games in the regular season.
Beer and Chips
Registered User
- Feb 5, 2018
- 1,482
- 1,122
was ... oh, never mind.
Mrb1p
PRICERSTOPDAPUCK
He has, but he has been much better now than he ever was with the Flames IMO. Hes aging like Pavelski.
The Gr8 Dane
L'harceleur
I would trade him , we need like 3-4 more top 3 picks in the next few years so we can maybe get a ppg forward one day..maybe.
Tank is on
Tank is on
Lack of imagination at work here. Weren't getting three or four more top-3 picks in the coming years...
The Gr8 Dane
L'harceleur
Let Monahan get out of his 20's in one piece before we start comparing him to Count Pavelski.
With you as GM, absolutely. If you can't conceive of a way to acquire missing element other than drafting top-3 repeatedly for years on end, you're definitely not the person for the job. AND, I genuinely say this with all due respect.
Montreal's GM, Hughes, will need to convince another team to hand over a young, up and coming elite forward for mix of accumulated 1/st and 2nd round picks, a good veteran not part of the team, longer term plans and/or a valuable prospect at a position we are not lacking.
There might be some short term pain with choices needed to be made and a fan favourite being moved, but the objective is to improve theta at all costs. If the sumo the moves does this, Hughes needs to find a way to make it happen.
IMO, he has the cards and will add more to form a winning hand by the 2025 trade deadline and/or offseason with veteran contracts coming than end and Matheson's contract only having one year left after that, two current picks in the first three rounds of the 2025 draft and the ability to add more by then as well.
Montreal will never keep all of Matheson, Guhle, Hutson, Xhekaj, Harris and Struble on the left side of D, nor will it keep all of Reinbacher, Mailloux, Barron, Engstrom (lefty who plays right), Konyushkov and Kovacevic on the right side of D. Unfortunately/fortunately,someofthebetter players (veteran or prospect) will/can be sacrificed because of the Cap reality heading forward. That willleadtovaluable trade assets to package with picks aqndcomplete theforwardgroup with an impact player, maybe two.
It's that, or, as you say, we aren't heading anywhere. How you think it is impossible to acquire talent other than to tank is beyond me, even without considering possible UFA additions in case impact players refuse to sign here at that stage in their careers.
Your view of professional hockey is rather tunnel-visioned, IMO.
