Speculation: Monahan forward most likely dealt first

[ole ole]

Not to this NYR fan. Berard and Sykora are two guys the Rangers should not trade especially for a UFA. Bottom 6/ Middle 6 guys who play a certain style with some skill that they sorely need. Almost rather give up a first surely a 2nd rather than either of those 2.

We'll take a 2nd but your gonna need to attach something that makes Hughes say ok. The 57th pick OA alone doesn't cut it.

 

[Hunter368]

I would have serious questions whether he could stand up to the rigours of playoffs. I’m sure a lot of GMs are wondering the same

Agreed, but you know someone will make the trade and hope & pray. Personally I wouldn't, I would roll with what we have at 2C and upgrade other positions of need. At worst if I did trade for a Monahan with his long history of injuries, the deal would be heavily conditional based regarding games played, etc. Plus with Monahan you know year to year he could potentially be done and onto LTIR so no one better sign him longer term due to his short shelf life. Maybe he could do 1 year deals for the next 3-4 years and GM's would be ok with that, but I would be surprised any contender over the next 5 years would sign him to any 3-4-5 year deal due to his health risks. A none contender over the next 3-5 years might be more open to a 3-5 year deal with him bc they don't care overly if he goes down to injury bc they aren't competing for any cups or titles.

Nothing specifically aimed at Monahan, I'm talking in general all players/teams, GM's often fighting for their jobs will make ill advised trades/signings at the TDL & summer FA frenzy, we all see it year after year.

 

[ole ole]

totally understood. Most Habs fans don't watch Hartford Wolfpack games like most Ranger fans don't watch Laval games. Berard has been probably the best young player for the AHL Wolfpack team.


I am shocked the Rangers would turn down trading probably the best player in college hockey this year. Surely one of the best freshman in the NCAA.

Ya if he's been looking that good ,you don't trade him for Monahan.
I still think he gets a 1st or the equivalence of a first.
Rangers are one team probably looking for a C ,

 

[ole ole]

We get best of the two if both in top ten. Which is most likely scenario. Florida likely to fall also. They going to lose Reinhart.

I wouldn't count on Florida being that low.

 

[jgimp]

Agreed, but you know someone will make the trade and hope & pray. Personally I wouldn't, I would roll with what we have at 2C and upgrade other positions of need. At worst if I did trade for a Monahan with his long history of injuries, the deal would be heavily conditional based regarding games played, etc. Plus with Monahan you know year to year he could potentially be done and onto LTIR so no one better sign him longer term due to his short shelf life. Maybe he could do 1 year deals for the next 3-4 years and GM's would be ok with that, but I would be surprised any contender over the next 5 years would sign him to any 3-4-5 year deal due to his health risks. A none contender over the next 3-5 years might be more open to a 3-5 year deal with him bc they don't care overly if he goes down to injury bc they aren't competing for any cups or titles.

Nothing specifically aimed at Monahan, I'm talking in general all players/teams, GM's often fighting for their jobs will make ill advised trades/signings at the TDL & summer FA frenzy, we all see it year after year.

I think that Chevy has his eye on someone that nobody will see coming ala Neider or Names. Someone with term that fill fit our system and room.
Monahan doesn’t do enough to justify the cost. He’s good at faceoffs and PP but that kinda it. He’s a little better defensively this year, but seeing as we need a defensively minded 2C between Ehlers and Perfetti, Monahan ain’t it. Plus our Pp is so statistically bad and static, that 1 guy isn’t going to come in and fix it. Monahan isn’t fixing that either.
I’d rather target, and give up more for a guy with term like Mitts or Jenner than overpay for an oft injured PP specialist who’s not a fit on the 2nd line

 

[Hunter368]

I think that Chevy has his eye on someone that nobody will see coming ala Neider or Names. Someone with term that fill fit our system and room.
Monahan doesn’t do enough to justify the cost. He’s good at faceoffs and PP but that kinda it. He’s a little better defensively this year, but seeing as we need a defensively minded 2C between Ehlers and Perfetti, Monahan ain’t it. Plus our Pp is so statistically bad and static, that 1 guy isn’t going to come in and fix it. Monahan isn’t fixing that either.
I’d rather target, and give up more for a guy with term like Mitts or Jenner than overpay for an oft injured PP specialist who’s not a fit on the 2nd line

Monahan is a polarizing player for fans, he does somethings well, somethings poorly/not so well and on top of that is the significant injury history/risks with him. I'm not evening commenting on fit within any teams system or style, bc thats different to each team. Monahan is a box of chocolates.

 

[Gillings]

In every world even in the world where Poitras doesn't exist


He would get marginally more than a 3rd. Late 2nd is fair

STOP IT, MOST 1st round players don’t even PAN OUT into what Monahan will provide to a contending team for a playoff run and potentially beyond.

Getting a late 2nd for Pearson sounds more in line than what you’re insinuating.

 

[General Fanager]

Monahan is a polarizing player for fans, he does somethings well, somethings poorly and on top of that is the significant injury history/risks with him. I'm not evening commenting on fit within any teams system or style, bc thats different to each team. Monahan is a box of chocolates.

Maybe ...but everyone loves chocolate....

 

[Hunter368]

Maybe ...but everyone loves chocolate....

True, I do love chocolates.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

People have amnesia.
Every single year people laugh at the thought of players getting traded for 1st round pick at the TDL and every year it happens and 1st/2nd round pick are thrown away like candies.

GMs do not know when is the next time they can challenge for the cup and they will do everything in their power to get the upper hands against their opposition.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

People have amnesia.
Every single year people laugh at the thought of players getting traded for 1st round pick at the TDL and every year it happens and 1st/2nd round pick are thrown away like candies.

GMs do not know when is the next time they can challenge for the cup and they will do everything in their power to get the upper hands to their oposition.

Yeah I think even the earlier nonbelievers think a low first rounder + body/prospect is possible/reasonable now ,




only for habs fans to start talking about Mcgroarty Lambert Zegras and other nonsense and it all comes full circle again lmao


Give us an inch and we take a mile haha

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

One major issue people miss is, teams who give up prime assets, almost always do so, with the intention of extending the player acquired.

I'm not sure about this narrative. The retention rate is low historically. Since 2014, 1st round rentals to be re-signed: Eaves, Kane, Pageau (T&S), Zajac+Palmieri, Lindholm (T&S), Horvat and Gavrikov. Those that walked: Miller, Franson, Vermette, Sekera, Ladd, Hanzal, Shattenkirk, Nash, Stastny, Duchene, Hayes, Foligno, Savard, Chiarot, Giroux, Copp, Bertuzzi, Orlov, O'Reilly and Tarasenko. That's 7 for 27 (~26%). I find it hard to believe that GMs are unaware of that, when a trade of that magnitude is made. If the intention is not likely, is it really the intention or is it justification to make them feel better about the likely outcome (disappointment)?

 

[Walksss]

Of course Monahan isn't gonna get McGroarty or Perrault or some other A prospect straight up. Most reasonable people know this, it's still very likely he moves for a late 1st+ or equivalent though.

I'd imagine the Habs will more likely take an equivalent prospect. Best prospect offered is the proud new owner of a slightly used Sean Monahan.

Obviously the Habs could take on a salary dump as well to sweeten the offer. Maybe it does end up as a larger deal, anything is possible with KH in the driver's seat.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Of course Monahan isn't gonna get McGroarty or Perrault or some other A prospect straight up. Most reasonable people know this, it's still very likely he moves for a late 1st+ or equivalent though.

I'd imagine the Habs will more likely take an equivalent prospect. Best prospect offered is the proud new owner of a slightly used Sean Monahan.

Obviously the Habs could take on a salary dump as well to sweeten the offer. Maybe it does end up as a larger deal, anything is possible with KH in the driver's seat.

Allen isnt exactly worth his salary. Maybe you can swap him for another dump/reclation project?

 

[Walksss]

Allen isnt exactly worth his salary. Maybe you can swap him for another dump/reclation project?

I imagine Allen doesn't have a ton of stand alone value. If he got a 3rd with retention I'd be impressed. Maybe as part of a larger deal with a cap dump coming back, I dunno.

Monahan
Allen w/retention

Vs.

Quality prospect or picks
Cap dump

Or some combination like that. I'm not sure if there's too many suitors for that but it's definitely workable for a win-win trade there.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I wouldn't even give a second look to an offer that doesn't include a 1st round pick

1st round pick would be the bare minimum, and than we could talk about retention on Monahan, etc, adds to be made on one side or the other, players added, etc

But no 1st round, no trade

 

[McSuper]

Give Monahan decent wingers and he will produce 5v5 the guy can play hockey hes just stuck playing with black holes hes been putting more 5v5 points now since rookie Joshua Roy got called up

Obviously Lindholm is plan A for most teams but dont sleep on Sean lots of teams will be interested

This all may be very true but Monahan has injury concern base on his past and most Montreal fans only look at the stat line for the offensive numbers while ignoring the superior defensive side of other centres.

 

[General Fanager]

This all may be very true but Monahan has injury concern base on his past and most Montreal fans only look at the stat line for the offensive numbers while ignoring the superior defensive side of other centres.

you do understand that we are not just making it up right? We are getting our info from reporters who have said that several teams are interested in Monahan and even more so now that Lindholm is off the board.

I wouldn't even give a second look to an offer that doesn't include a 1st round pick

1st round pick would be the bare minimum, and than we could talk about retention on Monahan, etc, adds to be made on one side or the other, players added, etc

But no 1st round, no trade

or equivalent prospect, I mean The Habs cant keep adding picks. Its time to add real players.

 

[Pat Riot]

I wouldn't even give a second look to an offer that doesn't include a 1st round pick

1st round pick would be the bare minimum, and than we could talk about retention on Monahan, etc, adds to be made on one side or the other, players added, etc

But no 1st round, no trade

Retention wont be needed foe Monahan. His cap will be less than 1 million at the deadline

And I would prefer a grade A prospect way more than a first round pick. So a trade is quite possible without any draft pick being involved

 

[John Mandalorian]

Retention wont be needed foe Monahan. His cap will be less than 1 million at the deadline

And I would prefer a grade A prospect way more than a first round pick. So a trade is quite possible without any draft pick being involved

The grade A prospect is typically more of a sure thing than the late 1st. What else are you offering?

 

[Pat Riot]

The grade A prospect is typically more of a sure thing than the late 1st. What else are you offering?

Cap relief, willing to add picks to monahan or a young LD.

Of course it all depends of which prospect we are talking about. Im looking for another Dach type of trade

 

[John Mandalorian]

Cap relief, willing to add picks to monahan or a young LD.

Of course it all depends of which prospect we are talking about. Im looking for another Dach type of trade

You think teams will want to give up A prospects for a couple of months of Monahan and a 2nd?

 

[EveryDay]

This all may be very true but Monahan has injury concern base on his past and most Montreal fans only look at the stat line for the offensive numbers while ignoring the superior defensive side of other centres.

Is it really concerning these injuries? After 11 seasons in the NHL Monahan only missed 60 more games then Elias Lindholm in their respective careers and 50 of theses games where last year when they decided to finally operated him. He hasn't miss a shift so far this year and he look great even his shitty linemates.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

we are not getting an A level prospect for Monahan even if we add those players rarely move and when they do its for something alot better

 

[Pat Riot]

You think teams will want to give up A prospects for a couple of months of Monahan and a 2nd?

Where did I say a 2rd pick? You just assumed I guess. I said picks plural and we own a couple of first round pick too. Like I said depends of the grade A prospect but I believe the habs have what it takes to complete such trade