Mo Rielly - "Our Norris Trophy Candidate"

[mapleleaf979]

Aside from Reilly having top of the line skating ability. It ends there. Reilly on the PP with that talent, shows his confusion, hesitate and average hockey IQ. Reilly can not disguise his passes and is not a confident hockey player overall. He is the #3 or #4 dman on this team and currently the most over rated player on the Leafs. I would not sign him. Reilly will show again his warts in the playoffs.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Aside from Reilly having top of the line skating ability. It ends there. Reilly on the PP with that talent, shows his confusion, hesitate and average hockey IQ. Reilly can not disguise his passes and is not a confident hockey player overall. He is the #3 or #4 dman on this team and currently the most over rated player on the Leafs. I would not sign him. Reilly will show again his warts in the playoffs.

he never really developed into a complete Dman, he got better with Babcock but he stuck to his strengths which was rushing the puck/jumping into an offensive attack

 

[Wafflewhipper]

That has nothing to do with points, and that doesn't even include PP anyways.

Holl has 2 goals and 12 assists at even strength 14 points
Muzzy has 1 goal and 12 assists at even strength 13 points
Rielly has 2 goals and 12 assists st even strength 14 points

Them guys start more defensive zone starts and are our important defensemen. Rielly is living off a good season and is rotten since. I’m thinking holl and Muzzy bring more than that guy. Just saying.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Aside from Reilly having top of the line skating ability. It ends there. Reilly on the PP with that talent, shows his confusion, hesitate and average hockey IQ. Reilly can not disguise his passes and is not a confident hockey player overall. He is the #3 or #4 dman on this team and currently the most over rated player on the Leafs. I would not sign him. Reilly will show again his warts in the playoffs.

He can’t even skate like he could man. Definitely would trade him. Sandin will be the guy taking his minutes in the near future. To bad Sandin is out darn

 

[Gallagbi]

Holl has 2 goals and 12 assists at even strength 14 points
Muzzy has 1 goal and 12 assists at even strength 13 points
Rielly has 2 goals and 12 assists st even strength 14 points

Them guys start more defensive zone starts and are our important defensemen. Rielly is living off a good season and is rotten since. I’m thinking holl and Muzzy bring more than that guy. Just saying.

Impressive we have 3 D in the top 31 for ESP, eh

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Impressive we have 3 D in the top 31 for ESP, eh

I don't know what you are talking about dude.

 

[Mr Hockey]

I don't know what you are talking about dude.

that kind of deflection happens very often in discussions on here when a good point cant be countered

 

[Gary Nylund]

Pelech Girard and Toews not only get the tough zone starts for their teams but get all the top matchups as well.

Meanwhile a guy like Makar racks up nice offense in the easier matchups and on the PP and gets all the hype.

So how much do you watch these guys play (I notice you ignored that question).

 

[Gallagbi]

I don't know what you are talking about dude.

You don't know the stats you just posted?

 

[Gallagbi]

So how much do you watch these guys play (I notice you ignored that question).

What's your thoughts on that group?

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don't know what you are talking about dude.

ESP = Even strength points?

 

[Gary Nylund]

What's your thoughts on that group?

I mostly just watch Leaf games. What are your thoughts?

 

[Gallagbi]

I mostly just watch Leaf games. What are your thoughts?

Pelech and Toews have been very impressive everytime I've watched, same with Girard. Given I don't get to watch them nightly, or even as much as I want, I'd rely more on those and support withy limited viewings (which seem to align).

Haven't watched more than a few minutes worth of Ranger games this year, which I'm hoping to change soon. I'd like to see the next WSH v. NYR game given how Wilson ended the previous game and to see Fox. Panarin and Z have also really turned it up a notch for them

 

[Wafflewhipper]

that kind of deflection happens very often in discussions on here when a good point cant be countered

Is that what he did there ha. I though i he screwed the post up or something.

 

[Mr Hockey]

Pelech Girard and Toews not only get the tough zone starts for their teams but get all the top matchups as well.

Meanwhile a guy like Makar racks up nice offense in the easier matchups and on the PP and gets all the hype.

how does Makar get easier match ups, he plays most with Mackininons line? .... Zeke, the highest possession guys are not always the best defensive guys

 

[Gary Nylund]

Pelech and Toews have been very impressive everytime I've watched, same with Girard. Given I don't get to watch them nightly, or even as much as I want, I'd rely more on those and support withy limited viewings (which seem to align).

Haven't watched more than a few minutes worth of Ranger games this year, which I'm hoping to change soon. I'd like to see the next WSH v. NYR game given how Wilson ended the previous game and to see Fox. Panarin and Z have also really turned it up a notch for them

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just don't have the time to watch much other than the Leafs, I suspect most people here are in the same boat but who knows. Those 3 guys you mentioned play for 2 teams so ... how much have you seen them play and how much would you have to watch tto have a strong opinion? Not only would one have to watch the games bot to evaluate a specific player, IMHO you'd have to also focus on them instead of following the play.

edit - a game or two can be enough to give and idea of how good player is, especially the really good ones who stand out

Not trying to give you a hard time, just stating my opinion which is that it's hard to compare our players to players on other teams, especially those that play in different divisions - we just don't see enough to know for sure how they stack up across the league. But I guess we could have a decent idea how they look compared to the players in our division. JMHO.

 

[Stephen]

Pelech and Toews have been very impressive everytime I've watched, same with Girard. Given I don't get to watch them nightly, or even as much as I want, I'd rely more on those and support withy limited viewings (which seem to align).

Haven't watched more than a few minutes worth of Ranger games this year, which I'm hoping to change soon. I'd like to see the next WSH v. NYR game given how Wilson ended the previous game and to see Fox. Panarin and Z have also really turned it up a notch for them

Girard moves the puck so smoothly and his skating and lateral movement is so beautifully efficient. He kind of reminds me of a smaller Letang.

 

[zeke]

So how much do you watch these guys play (I notice you ignored that question).

You want the number of games I watched?

 

[Gary Nylund]

You want the number of games I watched?

I don't want anything. You earlier told someone they should watch more, I was just wondering if you did that's all.

There's only so many hours in the day ...

 

[Gallagbi]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I just don't have the time to watch much other than the Leafs, I suspect most people here are in the same boat but who knows. Those 3 guys you mentioned play for 2 teams so ... how much have you seen them play and how much would you have to watch tto have a strong opinion? Not only would one have to watch the games bot to evaluate a specific player, IMHO you'd have to also focus on them instead of following the play.

edit - a game or two can be enough to give and idea of how good player is, especially the really good ones who stand out

Not trying to give you a hard time, just stating my opinion which is that it's hard to compare our players to players on other teams, especially those that play in different divisions - we just don't see enough to know for sure how they stack up across the league. But I guess we could have a decent idea how they look compared to the players in our division. JMHO.

3+ games for NYI and 2 for Colorado. I find I catch more bits of the Islanders games than full ones. That's this year, and all of them had lots of exposure during the playoffs last year too

And I don't disagree with the sample, I'd like it to be more which is why I balance vs. the numbers and that goes for the teams I see often.

But here's my question for you:

If you don't believe in the numbers, and don't watch non-Leafs games, how can you make any actual conclusions or have opinions on any team including the Leafs? How they do and perform is relative, and some of that will be outside the division itself.

 

[zeke]

I don't want anything. You earlier told someone they should watch more, I was just wondering if you did that's all.

There's only so many hours in the day ...

Actually he told me to watch more, yet you didnt have any issue with him.

 

[koyvoo]

There's a reason teams do both, but I also doubt most of the fans here are watching any more than 1- non Leafs game a night, which doesn't give the biggest or best sample.

There is a reason teams do both, as one is a good aid to fill in gaps in the other, but sometimes it’s clear that people don’t even watch the leafs play as much as they do the numbers on a computer screen.

 

[Gallagbi]

There is a reason teams do both, as one is a good aid to fill in gaps in the other, but sometimes it’s clear that people don’t even watch the leafs play as much as they do the numbers on a computer screen.

Id argue we see more people close minded to the balance than those avoiding Leafs games and opting for the sheets instead.

 

[zeke]

There is a reason teams do both, as one is a good aid to fill in gaps in the other, but sometimes it’s clear that people don’t even watch the leafs play as much as they do the numbers on a computer screen.

I'd say the people around here interested enough to look at the nerd numbers also sound to me from their posting that they watch more games and more closely too.

The people who hate the nerd numbers, from their postings sound to me like they don't ever watch other teams play, and even when watching the leafs don't notice much more than what's happening immediately around the puck. Their takes seem dependent on what the broadcast chooses to show replays about, for the most part.

 

[Gallagbi]

I'd say the people around here interested enough to look at the nerd numbers also sound to me from their posting that they watch more games and more closely too.

The people who hate the nerd numbers, from their postings sound to me like they don't ever watch other teams play, and even when watching the leafs don't notice much more than what's happening immediately around the puck. Their takes seem dependent on what the broadcast chooses to show replays about, for the most part.

Seems like an accurate summary