Mo Rielly - "Our Norris Trophy Candidate"

[Iapyi]

Remember Erik Carlson won the Norris so I wouldn’t say it’s outta reach lol

I think it's spelt Eric Carlson.

 

[ICBM]

And lmao rielly did that playing with Phaneuf hunwick hainsey and ceci.

Hainsey is a proven winner. Got a ring. Not a little mama's boy like Rielly.

What pace we are talking about? Rielly with 1 pp goal in 25 playoff games? We can't even compare it. Negligible.

It's not about points. It's about winning. You can win with Hainsey. With Rielly? Not a chance.

 

[Havoc]

Hainsey is a proven winner. Got a ring. Not a little mama's boy like Rielly.

What pace we are talking about? Rielly with 1 pp goal in 25 playoff games? We can't even compare it. Negligible.

It's not about points. It's about winning. You can win with Hainsey. With Rielly? Not a chance.

Rielly is a beast man.

My opinion is he shouldn't be on pp1 but he should be playing big minutes otherwise.

I still remeber game 6 versus bruins it was literally rielly skating circles around everyone we just couldn't finish. One of the most dominant performances I've ever seen.

Hes a big piece regardless of PP woes.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Hainsey is a proven winner. Got a ring. Not a little mama's boy like Rielly.

What pace we are talking about? Rielly with 1 pp goal in 25 playoff games? We can't even compare it. Negligible.

It's not about points. It's about winning. You can win with Hainsey. With Rielly? Not a chance.

So you'd prefer Hainsey over Rielly? Because of what, some magical "winning" mentality you and Don Cherry made up? Hainsey won because he was in the right place at the right time. I liked him but he was nothing special and f***ing atrocious vs the Bruins. I've never seen a dman so exposed in my 30+ years of watching the game.

 

[MarMarSab3]

He’s above average defence player with great offensive skills what are people complaining about?

But he's not, he's average at best defensively and more often then not the puck dies on his stick offensively, his decision making is very questionable, for a 4-5 million dollar player that may be tolerated but he's going to want upwards of 7 million as and at that number it will haunt us

 

[The Apologist]

Rielly is a beast man.

My opinion is he shouldn't be on pp1 but he should be playing big minutes otherwise.

I still remeber game 6 versus bruins it was literally rielly skating circles around everyone we just couldn't finish. One of the most dominant performances I've ever seen.

Hes a big piece regardless of PP woes.

We all have our goats in Leafland.

 

[Doublerum1975]

But he's not, he's average at best defensively and more often then not the puck dies on his stick offensively, his decision making is very questionable, for a 4-5 million dollar player that may be tolerated but he's going to want upwards of 7 million as and at that number it will haunt us

I really don’t know what you are watching to say this play dies on his stick you better check his point totals lol

 

[ICBM]

So you'd prefer Hainsey over Rielly? Because of what, some magical "winning" mentality you and Don Cherry made up? Hainsey won because he was in the right place at the right time. I liked him but he was nothing special and f***ing atrocious vs the Bruins. I've never seen a dman so exposed in my 30+ years of watching the game.

Ron was +5 in 18-19 series. Rielly was 0. If Ronald was atrocious, what about Mo?

Problem with Rielly is not that he is weak in his one zone. He is also average pp quarterback. His play makes Leaf pp predictable and ineffective. Can't shoot. Passing left or right. His 5 on 5 play is ineffective in playoffs. He is moving the puck skating with it. It's tough vs tight defense. Passing the puck is much more effective. If Larry Murphy played instead of Rielly, I would forgive him all the defensive mistakes. He was the real deal. Rielly is meh.

Leafs need offensive dman. Not Rielly though. He should have been traded instead of Kadri. Lost top6 ppg winger for nothing.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Remember Erik Carlson won the Norris so I wouldn’t say it’s outta reach lol

Sure. The only reason I said it is because people seem to be giving him grief because he's not Norris caliber and I'm willing to concede the point because even if it's true, it's completely irrelevant. What, we're only allowing Norris caliber Dmen to play for us now? I guess our blueline's been empty for the last 40 years if that's the case.

Hainsey is a proven winner. Got a ring. Not a little mama's boy like Rielly.

What pace we are talking about? Rielly with 1 pp goal in 25 playoff games? We can't even compare it. Negligible.

It's not about points. It's about winning. You can win with Hainsey. With Rielly? Not a chance.

Oh look, another internet tough guy. Be happy your mama's basement has an internet connection and STFU.

Ron was +5 in 18-19 series. Rielly was 0. If Ronald was atrocious, what about Mo?

Leafs need offensive dman. Not Rielly though. He should have been traded instead of Kadri. Lost top6 ppg winger for nothing.

Oh look, in depth plus/minus analysis.

This has gotten to be beyond bizarre now. Not sure how it happened exactly but it would appear that RIelly has become the most underrated player on our team. Kid's a beauty, so glad we drafted him!

 

[BrannigansLaw]

We need someone with an actual shot on the PP. It’s too easy for teams when they basically know the plan is always just get it to Matthews.

 

[Stephen]

We need someone with an actual shot on the PP. It’s too easy for teams when they basically know the plan is always just get it to Matthews.

It's a good thing Toronto won that barn burner last night, we all would have gone to bed a little bit more upset with the Formenton goal while PP1 was out there.

 

[MarMarSab3]

I really don’t know what you are watching to say this play dies on his stick you better check his point totals lol

The game isn't just about points, watch more and not base it on statistics

 

[Voodoo Child]

Erik Carlson...?

...

Mo's not having a terrible year, but he's not having a great one either.

His 2018-19 was a perfect storm that we'll never see again, but he's still a competent 45-55 point puck mover, who on occasion - not all the time but not super rarely - plays a terrible, costly game. He has extreme peaks and valleys.

He's not working on the PP, that needs to be addressed.

Overall I like the makeup of the D. There's no top guy, but by committee they're three #2s (Rielly, Muzzin and Brodie), one each of a 3-5 (Holl, Dermott and Bogosian) and two prospects who are
should be ready next season.

2022 UFA is a meaty D class: Mo, Parayko, Lindholm, Jones, Risto, Manson, Leddy, Letang, Pulock, Klingberg and Ekholm and then your standard depth guys. Presumably some of these guys will be extended before then, but I'd say Mo is the 3rd guy for most teams behind Jones and Klingberg.

If he'd take 7 I'd give him max term but he's probably gonna ask for 8, but you think he's gonna be easy to replace just like that? I let him walk only if we can bring in a better D somehow or he gets greedy.

All else being equal, I'd keep him.

 

[kb]

Hainsey is a proven winner. Got a ring. Not a little mama's boy like Rielly.

What pace we are talking about? Rielly with 1 pp goal in 25 playoff games? We can't even compare it. Negligible.

It's not about points. It's about winning. You can win with Hainsey. With Rielly? Not a chance.

Yeah, you mean Ron Hainsey, they guy who started off his career with 12 straight missed playoffs, and was 36 the first time he made the playoffs? The one who ended his career out of the playoffs too? The one who only once in a long career got out of the first round in 1132 games?

You mean that proven winner?

You need to perhaps research before showing the world the lack of any reason to take this (or any) post seriously.

 

[zeke]

I can only imagine the posts in this thread if Rielly had been burnt as badly and as often as Muzzin and Holl were last night.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Erik Carlson...?

...

Mo's not having a terrible year, but he's not having a great one either.

His 2018-19 was a perfect storm that we'll never see again, but he's still a competent 45-55 point puck mover, who on occasion - not all the time but not super rarely - plays a terrible, costly game. He has extreme peaks and valleys.

He's not working on the PP, that needs to be addressed.

Overall I like the makeup of the D. There's no top guy, but by committee they're three #2s (Rielly, Muzzin and Brodie), one each of a 3-5 (Holl, Dermott and Bogosian) and two prospects who are
should be ready next season.

2022 UFA is a meaty D class: Mo, Parayko, Lindholm, Jones, Risto, Manson, Leddy, Letang, Pulock, Klingberg and Ekholm and then your standard depth guys. Presumably some of these guys will be extended before then, but I'd say Mo is the 3rd guy for most teams behind Jones and Klingberg.

If he'd take 7 I'd give him max term but he's probably gonna ask for 8, but you think he's gonna be easy to replace just like that? I let him walk only if we can bring in a better D somehow or he gets greedy.

All else being equal, I'd keep him.

Signing him to max term is insane IMO. He's already racked up a lot of leg injuries, they're only going to get worse with age. If his skating drops down to even just average, that contract becomes an anchor. He doesn't have the IQ, wingspan, or physicality to age gracefully. His game is 100% dependent on him being able to skate faster than 95% of his opponents.

 

[LeafsGuy16]

Morgan Rielly has been such a polarizing player lately. Here’s my take...

It’s simple, he’s not a true number 1 dman. But he’s a really good number 2. TJ Brodie is also a really good number 2. But they’re very different players and compliment each other well.

Rielly is a damn good defence man yet he’s not living up to expectations - a number 1 dman. He lacks the IQ in my opinion to ever be.

Conclusion. If we lose him he’s going to be very difficult to replace. I’d resign him to Brodie’s contract in a heartbeat. But if he wants number 1 dman money and term, no thank you.

 

[zeke]

It’s simple, he’s not a true number 1 dman.

He is tho.

 

[Doublerum1975]

The game isn't just about points, watch more and not base it on statistics

I do watch the games plus I watch other teams as well all number one defenceman makes mistakes your description of Rielly is way off

 

[LeafsGuy16]

He is tho.

Well don’t just quote a piece of what I said.

I agree with most of your thoughts, but he’s not. He’s not good enough offensively or defensively. He’s right there, but he’s not elite at either.

Don’t let that confuse the fact that, like I said, very good dman. Good luck finding someone for $5m who can eat the minutes, provide the offence, and provide the leadership that he does. But he’s not a number 1 by my standards. And no, I don’t think there’s 30 of them in the league by definition.

Just my two cents.

 

[indigobuffalo]

On last night's broadcast, I was bothered by Cuthbert and Galley calling Rielly a "Norris-trophy candidate".

Sure, Mo has a lot of offensive upside and has quite a few points so far this year. But the guy is a complete crapshoot in his own end and is more of a defensive liability.

My definition of a Norris Trophy winner is a guy who is solid at BOTH ends of the rink. To me, Lidstrom is the ultimate definition of a Norris trophy winner. Solid at both ends, played the PP and PK and someone you can leave out there 30 minutes a game.

I agree with you 100% but the league tends to award the Norris to offensive defencemen, rather than two way. They need to make the Paul Coffey Trophy and have the Norris go to the best shutdown defensive defenceman.

 

[leafsgirl12]

Sure. The only reason I said it is because people seem to be giving him grief because he's not Norris caliber and I'm willing to concede the point because even if it's true, it's completely irrelevant. What, we're only allowing Norris caliber Dmen to play for us now? I guess our blueline's been empty for the last 40 years if that's the case.



Oh look, another internet tough guy. Be happy your mama's basement has an internet connection and STFU.



Oh look, in depth plus/minus analysis.

This has gotten to be beyond bizarre now. Not sure how it happened exactly but it would appear that RIelly has become the most underrated player on our team. Kid's a beauty, so glad we drafted him!

I Agree

 

[leafsgirl12]

Signing him to max term is insane IMO. He's already racked up a lot of leg injuries, they're only going to get worse with age. If his skating drops down to even just average, that contract becomes an anchor. He doesn't have the IQ, wingspan, or physicality to age gracefully. His game is 100% dependent on him being able to skate faster than 95% of his opponents.

Rielly has only had 3 significant leg injuries that isn't alot . his acl draft year , the high ankle sprain and fractured foot. his skating is 100% now . yes technically scar tissue or bones/ joints can hurt later on in life but he is healthy now , yes he makes mistakes at times but he isn't the only one who does .

 

[Stonehands1990]

I think it's spelt Eric Carlson.

Eric Carlsson*

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Well don’t just quote a piece of what I said.

I agree with most of your thoughts, but he’s not. He’s not good enough offensively or defensively. He’s right there, but he’s not elite at either.

Don’t let that confuse the fact that, like I said, very good dman. Good luck finding someone for $5m who can eat the minutes, provide the offence, and provide the leadership that he does. But he’s not a number 1 by my standards. And no, I don’t think there’s 30 of them in the league by definition.

Just my two cents.

Then there are teams that won Cups without #1 defensemen. Pittsburgh both times and Washington had #1 defensemen who were not elite defensively. They were about as good as Rielly has been, both offensively and defensively (and let's not pretend they did not have stellar offenses to work with either).

Rielly has been doing it without a top pairing partner either. Brodie is the best guy he has had but even he is a good #3 at best. He doesn't bring enough offense and his defensive game is not elite enough to be considered a top pairing defenseman.