OT: MN High School Hockey Thread

[MuckOG]

Rochester Century/John Marshall beat Lakeville South and Centennial also took down Maple Grove.

 

[TaLoN]

Class AA

Section 1AA - Rochester Century/John Marshall

Section 2AA - Chanhassen

Section 3AA - Cretin-Derham Hall

Section 4AA - White Bear Lake

Section 5AA - Centennial

Section 6AA - Edina

Section 7AA - Grand Rapids

Section 8AA - Elk River

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

One of those years where I have no one to cheer for, maybe Chan just since it’s rare for them.

 

[Northerner]

It's good to see WBL, Rochester, Centennial Chan and Elk River get in.


I think the last time ER made it in was in the Paul Martin era.


I also can't remember the last time any Rochester school made it.

 

[57special]

It's good to see WBL, Rochester, Centennial Chan and Elk River get in.


I think the last time ER made it in was in the Paul Martin era.


I also can't remember the last time any Rochester school made it.

It's weird, because i always think of Elk River as a strong program. Didn't Centennial win just a few years ago?

One of those years where I have no one to cheer for, maybe Chan just since it’s rare for them.

Apparently all the kids hate Tonka because they filched players from Chan, Chaska. Some, if not all of them, have addresses of convenience, and do online schooling. There was a lot of cheering going on when Chanhassen won.

 

[Northerner]

It's weird, because i always think of Elk River as a strong program. Didn't Centennial win just a few years ago?


Apparently all the kids hate Tonka because they filched players from Chan, Chaska. Some, if not all of them, have addresses of convenience, and do online schooling. There was a lot of cheering going on when Chanhassen won.

Yes I've always thought of ER as a strong program. They must be coming out of a strong section...and truth be told it's really tough to crack that nut (get in to State)

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

It's weird, because i always think of Elk River as a strong program. Didn't Centennial win just a few years ago?


Apparently all the kids hate Tonka because they filched players from Chan, Chaska. Some, if not all of them, have addresses of convenience, and do online schooling. There was a lot of cheering going on when Chanhassen won.

I always think of ER and Centennial as strong teams too, they were always good competition. I believe it was ER that stopped an undefeated season for me growing up, they can get bent.

The Chaska kids in this scenario don’t have a leg to stand on, they poached in that region for decades. Chan didn’t even have a hockey program until recently, they also have no right to complain.

 

[57special]

I always think of ER and Centennial as strong teams too, they were always good competition. I believe it was ER that stopped an undefeated season for me growing up, they can get bent.

The Chaska kids in this scenario don’t have a leg to stand on, they poached in that region for decades. Chan didn’t even have a hockey program until recently, they also have no right to complain.

Wha? Chaska poached? You know you are talking about two have not programs, right, at least compared to Tonka?

 

[Northerner]

I've always thought of Anoka as a strong program but they haven't been to state in while if my memory serves me.

There is a lot of changes going at the moment. Burnsville's program is dying, Apple Valley seems to be toast. These are historically great programs.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Wha? Chaska poached? You know you are talking about two have not programs, right, at least compared to Tonka?

In my day Tonka was the have not program and Chaska was the problem child.

I've always thought of Anoka as a strong program but they haven't been to state in while if my memory serves me.

There is a lot of changes going at the moment. Burnsville's program is dying, Apple Valley seems to be toast. These are historically great programs.

I haven’t thought of Burnsville as strong in over 2 decades, maybe 3? Apple Valley seems to have a few good years and then disappear, not a major concern generally though.

 

[57special]

In my day Tonka was the have not program and Chaska was the problem child.

Really? How old are you?

In youth hockey Tonka was always very strong, together with Edina, EP, and Wayzata. Prior Lake also had some good years. Chaska/Chan was also vg... a tad below, but good. Once they got to HS, though, they split the talent, and things got pretty grim.

I only go back about 15 years, though.

 

[MuckOG]

I've always thought of Anoka as a strong program but they haven't been to state in while if my memory serves me.

There is a lot of changes going at the moment. Burnsville's program is dying, Apple Valley seems to be toast. These are historically great programs.

The blue bloods like Edina, Tonka and Hill Murray will always have strong programs. But setting them aside, as the metro areas expand outwards, so do the hockey powers. Over the past few decades, younger families have moved to the outer fringes on the metro area, and bring with them kids that fill the youth programs. I grew up in Coon Rapids in the 70's and 80's, when Andover was a backwater town with just a few thousand people and with no high school. Now it's a hockey power. There are other examples such as Lakeville, Woodbury and Prior Lake.

 

[57special]

The blue bloods like Edina and Hill Murray will always have strong programs. But them aside, as the metro areas expand outwards, so do the hockey powers. Over the past few decades, younger families have moved to the outer fringes on the metro area, and bring with them kids that fill the youth programs. I grew up in Coon Rapids in the 70's and 80's, back then Andover was a backwater town with just a few thousand people and with no high school. Now it's a hockey power. There are other examples such as Lakeville and Prior Lake.

And of course, the grandaddy of them all, Bloomington Jefferson.

Hill Murray is a different case because they are a private... a change of coaching/direction can always happen there like it did with Holy Angels, and Breck.

Edina, and maybe a couple of others can take having a few of their kids being poached by privates(or others), but it can devastating to some programs to have their best two kids grabbed.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Really? How old are you?

In youth hockey Tonka was always very strong, together with Edina, EP, and Wayzata. Prior Lake also had some good years. Chaska/Chan was also vg... a tad below, but good. Once they got to HS, though, they split the talent, and things got pretty grim.

I only go back about 15 years, though.

Well I was in one of those very strong programs, in my experience Chaska was far superior to the Skippers, but both below Edina. Wayzata in the middle though I never had much trouble with them. I may be slightly biased since I did do a little coaching with the Skippers, but I was also friends with Chaska kids and knew the sketchy shit they were doing too (like literally everybody was at the time.) I am not sure that the transfer rule really solved anything but it at least made it a bit more difficult to pull an Anders Lee.

And of course, the grandaddy of them all, Bloomington Jefferson.

Hill Murray is a different case because they are a private... a change of coaching/direction can always happen there like it did with Holy Angels, and Breck.

Edina, and maybe a couple of others can take having a few of their kids being poached by privates(or others), but it can devastating to some programs to have their best two kids grabbed.

Oh yeah, screw Jefferson too, hated those guys.

 

[Northerner]

In my day Tonka was the have not program and Chaska was the problem child.


I haven’t thought of Burnsville as strong in over 2 decades, maybe 3? Apple Valley seems to have a few good years and then disappear, not a major concern generally though.

Brock Boeser is a Burnsville guy. Can't recall if he brought them to state though.

The blue bloods like Edina, Tonka and Hill Murray will always have strong programs. But setting them aside, as the metro areas expand outwards, so do the hockey powers. Over the past few decades, younger families have moved to the outer fringes on the metro area, and bring with them kids that fill the youth programs. I grew up in Coon Rapids in the 70's and 80's, when Andover was a backwater town with just a few thousand people and with no high school. Now it's a hockey power. There are other examples such as Lakeville, Woodbury and Prior Lake.

Yes, you articulated the dynamic perfectly.

 

[Northerner]

And I think South Saint Paul had three guys in the NHL just a few years ago. I'm not sure but I'd willing to bet for MN high schools they had the most representation in the NHL. Why, I have no idea. There is nothing special about SSP.

Falk, Stalock and I there was one more SSP guy in the NHL

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

And I think South Saint Paul had three guys in the NHL just a few years ago. I'm not sure but I'd willing to bet for MN high schools they had the most representation in the NHL. Why, I have no idea. There is nothing special about SSP.

Falk, Stalock and I there was one more SSP guy in the NHL

EP has had 3+ for a while now, Leddy, Mittelstadt, Seeler, and before had the Rau’s with Bickell, and some cups of coffee guys.

Surprised there aren’t more Edina guys in the league. I don’t know if I would even count Anders Lee with how many orgs he played for.

 

[Northerner]

EP has had 3+ for a while now, Leddy, Mittelstadt, Seeler, and before had the Rau’s with Bickell, and some cups of coffee guys.

Surprised there aren’t more Edina guys in the league. I don’t know if I would even count Anders Lee with how many orgs he played for.

You're right. I wonder how many Edina players there. Didn't Anders Lee play four years for Giles? And then Sammy Walker, who I would consider one of those cup of coffee guys. There's gotta be one or two more

Looks like Lee played two years for Giles, but was with St. Thomas as an 8th grader I believe.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

You're right. I wonder how many Edina players there. Didn't Anders Lee play four years for Giles? And then Sammy Walker, who I would consider one of those cup of coffee guys. There's gotta be one or two more

Jamie McBain and Kiefer Bellows are the only big names unless you go back to Hankinson. At least that I could reasonably locate, my list wasn’t great to work off of. Lee played for EP, St. Thomas, and Edina in a 3 year span.

 

[Northerner]

Bellows. I remember he had beef w Giles. Anders Lee's wiki shows he played two years at Edina.

3 yrs St Thomas, two at Edina:

Anders Lee - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Anders Lee, 1990-07-03 Edina, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the NHL with New York Islanders. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Bellows. I remember he had beef w Giles. Anders Lee's wiki shows he played two years at Edina.

3 yrs St Thomas, two at Edina:

Anders Lee - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Anders Lee, 1990-07-03 Edina, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the NHL with New York Islanders. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Lee was definitely with EP immediately before he went to St. Thomas. I don’t think that is fully accurate.

Edit: I did find something that confirmed he was at St Thomas for 3 years. I thought he flipped much sooner than that, I guess I owe him a slightly smaller amount of hate.

 

[57special]

Lee was definitely with EP immediately before he went to St. Thomas. I don’t think that is fully accurate.

Lee played football with Edina, for sure.

And I think South Saint Paul had three guys in the NHL just a few years ago. I'm not sure but I'd willing to bet for MN high schools they had the most representation in the NHL. Why, I have no idea. There is nothing special about SSP.

Falk, Stalock and I there was one more SSP guy in the NHL

Housley? I've heard he was insanely good, from people who saw him play.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Lee played football with Edina, for sure.

Oh yeah, not questioning that, but I thought the timeline was a lot tighter on his team switching, it was a big deal at the time in my hockey bubble.

 

[57special]

Bellows. I remember he had beef w Giles. Anders Lee's wiki shows he played two years at Edina.

3 yrs St Thomas, two at Edina:

Anders Lee - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Anders Lee, 1990-07-03 Edina, MN, USA USA. Most recently in the NHL with New York Islanders. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

Bellows, and his Dad, had problems with anyone who didn't bow down before them, going back to a really young age.
Giles is a quiet man, but not someone you try to bully. He is a good man, but has no time for parent politics.

 

[TaLoN]

Lee played football with Edina, for sure.


Housley? I've heard he was insanely good, from people who saw him play.

Long retired from the NHL by the time Falk and Stalock played high school in St. Paul, so no, not Housely.

In the 90's when Jefferson was at their peak, they produced 6 players that were later all in the NHL at one time.