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After the Brach trade, I think we're really seeing how the reliever market really sucks when you're trading them away. It's a buyers market. Brach was traded for international money alone. No prospects.

That Familia deal was not that bad. While the Mets need top prospects, they also need some depth, and international money should help there.

If they are not going to be competing for a postseason spot next year (I'm at the point where I do not think it is possible), they need to move Wheeler now. Max his value out for a team that gets him for two runs. The return on Wheeler should be good. He's better than just about anyone on the market (outside of Archer).
 


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Rodriguez and Gallardo were the most impressive pitchers at the showcase, with Rodriguez inducing a bundle of helpless, off-balance swings. His fastball sat at 91-93 mph with late finish up in the zone and touched 94 once. While he didn’t reach 96 mph like he did in an outing in November, Rodriguez still showed an outstanding fastball for his age.

Rodriguez missed a high percentage of bats with a sharp 78-81 mph slider. Like a lot of pitchers in Cuba, Rodriguez liberally mixed in his slider and varied his arm slot, which caused the pitch to either bend like a slurve or slice across and out of the strike zone. Rodriguez also showed feel for a splitter/changeup at 79-80 mph.

There is some funkiness to Rodriguez’s delivery and arm action, but he threw frequent strikes and has shown strong pitchability for his age. His combination of high-octane stuff for his age and a good track record of pitching in Cuba’s junior leagues make Rodriguez one of the top prospects in the 2018 class.
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Rodriguez, 16, is a 6-foot-3, 205-pound right-hander from Cuba who has been clocked at 97 mph when throwing his fastball, and the pitch usually hovers in the low to mid-90s. According to MLB Pipeline, Rodriguez is a strike-thrower who "changes his arm slot and throws several different pitches at different angles, which has proven to be both a blessing and a curse as far as scouts are concerned."
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i paused and screen capped his scouting video, he'll need to fix that arm slot for sure or he'll tip his pitches...that can be fixed and he has some elite stuff.

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Slider/breaking ball arm slot

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Hunter Gathers said:
Junior Santos Stats, Highlights, Bio | MiLB.com Stats | The Official Site of Minor League Baseball

Junior Santos is having a hell of a year for the Mets in the DSL. Massive kid. 16 years old and 6'8" already. Hitting 98 on the gun occasionally.
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That is one large teenager. You have to wonder if he got into the wrong sport. He could be 7ft by the time he is 18-19. You have to wonder if his mechanics are going to be iffy and the injury risk of pitching while being that big.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
That is one large teenager. You have to wonder if he got into the wrong sport. He could be 7ft by the time he is 18-19. You have to wonder if his mechanics are going to be iffy and the injury risk of pitching while being that big.
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Didn't seem to hurt Randy Johnson.
 
sbjnyc said:
Didn't seem to hurt Randy Johnson.
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Thats one guy.

Tons of moving parts for the really tall guys mechanically. Not only did it take Randy until he was in his late 20's to really figure it out, he's lucky that he did because he is one of the only ones who has.

Thats not to say that it can't happen again (it will eventually) but lets not act like this is the norm.
 
mrjimmyg89 said:
After the Brach trade, I think we're really seeing how the reliever market really sucks when you're trading them away. It's a buyers market. Brach was traded for international money alone. No prospects.

That Familia deal was not that bad. While the Mets need top prospects, they also need some depth, and international money should help there.

If they are not going to be competing for a postseason spot next year (I'm at the point where I do not think it is possible), they need to move Wheeler now. Max his value out for a team that gets him for two runs. The return on Wheeler should be good. He's better than just about anyone on the market (outside of Archer).
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Yeah this has been my thinking as well. The reliever trades have been largely mediocre. The Familia trade might have been even more mediocre (debatable), but seeing the other returns and you realize it's not bad. The $1M in international pool money is good. A lot of that moving around.

The narrative was always going to be that the Wilpons wouldn't absorb any of the money, and that cost the Mets. I'm not sure they would have gotten much more even if they picked up some of the money. And other teams are moving guys without picking up any money, too. I mean the Wilpons suck, but their shittiness didn't sabotage the Familia deal, it appears. Just a bad market.
 
Has their been any reporting about who the Mets are targeting with that additional IFA money? Are they even contenders for Victor Mesa?
 
nyr2k2 said:
Yeah this has been my thinking as well. The reliever trades have been largely mediocre. The Familia trade might have been even more mediocre (debatable), but seeing the other returns and you realize it's not bad. The $1M in international pool money is good. A lot of that moving around.

The narrative was always going to be that the Wilpons wouldn't absorb any of the money, and that cost the Mets. I'm not sure they would have gotten much more even if they picked up some of the money. And other teams are moving guys without picking up any money, too. I mean the Wilpons suck, but their ****tiness didn't sabotage the Familia deal, it appears. Just a bad market.
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Yea but the cool thing to do is bash the Mets even though every rental reliever trade is nearly identical.
 
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Has their been any reporting about who the Mets are targeting with that additional IFA money? Are they even contenders for Victor Mesa?
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They signed two guys, one was was 9th and the other who was 29th, on BA's list (13 and 25 on MLB's list). Alvarez, a C, and Valdez, an OF. That was before the deal, though. They did well to get those two.

I've seen a couple people speculating the Mets could be trying to get Mesa but nothing actually linking to them.
 
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Has their been any reporting about who the Mets are targeting with that additional IFA money? Are they even contenders for Victor Mesa?
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All signs point to the Orioles getting him, but you never know.

The best site to track the signings is here: 2018 MLB International Signings Tracker

Trading for prospects is tough to do now, as teams are usually unwilling to part ways with current top tier talent, so international money is being treated similarly to how draft picks work in the NHL and NBA. The Mets and Yankees have prominent facilities in the Caribbean and South America. They can do a few things with the money: try and lure the top guys, sign a bunch of middling guys, or trade it for tangible assets at the MLB and MiLB levels. (This is a more general statement, not directed at anyone)

It's a way to get really young talent (16 year olds) and mold them in the minors over nearly a half decade to come to a prominent role on the team by the time they are 21-22 years old. To put things into perspective, Wilmer Flores played parts of 7 seasons in the minors, and he debuted at 21, made the majors full time at 23. Conforto played 166 minor league games in total and debuted at 22. I don't know if it is the best way to develop players, but you have them for so long before they come up, you know the ins and outs on a player.
 
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Go Away Staal said:
Thats one guy.

Tons of moving parts for the really tall guys mechanically. Not only did it take Randy until he was in his late 20's to really figure it out, he's lucky that he did because he is one of the only ones who has.

Thats not to say that it can't happen again (it will eventually) but lets not act like this is the norm.
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Not disagreeing but there aren't a lot of players that height to know what the norm is. John Rauch is 6'11 then you have Chris Young and Eric Hillman at 6'10.

This was a timely article. Top 5: Tallest pitchers in MLB history
 
YES Network suggesting Adam Jones for OF depth. Dont see it though. I think Granderson makes more sense as a Lefty bat and a guy who is comfortable with being a role player. I dont think Adam Jones would be ok with that as great of a lockerroom guy he is.
 
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