OT: MLB Thread - Part XVIII: Home Stretch for Yanks. Coup de Grâce for Mets.

[Machinehead]

I miss A-Rod

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Knoblauch? Clemens? A-Rod lol.

Arod was a salary dump (plus we gave up a pretty good slugger)., Gave up a pretty good pitcher for Clemens too. I mean they're up there, but didi took actual scouting and belief that he would hit, and yeah we gave up Shane Greene lol.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Ellsbury is underpaid.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Bye Bye Birdie.. 2nd in as many days.

If they can just keep him healthy, this guy will hit too.

 

[LeetchisGod]

Bye Bye Birdie.. 2nd in as many days.

If they can just keep him healthy, this guy will hit too.

Need his lefty power to balance out all the righties.

 

[sbjnyc]

Look above.

Take the blue and orange glasses off. James' model sucks. If thats the type of list it'll compile, it sucked last year too and every other year its been in existence

Edit: just got a look at last years list, just as horrible as this years.

I get it, you're a smarter baseball stat guy than Bill James but that's no reason to accuse me of being a piles fan.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I get it, you're a smarter baseball stat guy than Bill James but that's no reason to accuse me of being a piles fan.

Mets, not Isles.

I'm aware of Bill James and what hes done. Unless his model accounts for dumb voters, it sucks and is in serious need of an upgrade.

Funny how you completely ignored my post where I laid everything out for you though.

 

[Cassano]

will say it again..

Didi is the best trade Cashman has ever made.

Nick Swisher.

Also I remember being in on the trade for Tulo Bandwagon back then.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Ellsbury is still underpaid.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Nick Swisher.

Also I remember being in on the trade for Tulo Bandwagon back then.

You and everyone else.

Mets were heavy after him too.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Also.. Chad Green better not come into this f***ing game!!. its 7-0 and you have like a 50 man roster.

 

[sbjnyc]

Mets, not Isles.

I'm aware of Bill James and what hes done. Unless his model accounts for dumb voters, it sucks and is in serious need of an upgrade.

Funny how you completely ignored my post where I laid everything out for you though.

Did you forget where I said it was a predictor not a ranking?

Btw you didn't "lay out" anything just have a comparison of random stats.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

"Brian Cashman is a horrible GM" How many times have we heard that from other Yankee fans?

Judge, Sanchez, Severino, Didi, Betances, Gray, Montgomery, Chad Green, Torres, Frazier, more coming. and other smaller moves.. Guy is good.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is the first time Cashman has really gotten the opportunity to build "his" team since the last core was really in place before he became GM.

Did you forget where I said it was a predictor not a ranking?

Btw you didn't "lay out" anything just have a comparison of random stats.

Those random stats are most of the major pitching categories Do you want all of them?

I guess the better question would be why should Pomeranz be ahead of Severino? Because Bill James says so isn't an answer so I'll wait.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

This is the first time Cashman has really gotten the opportunity to build "his" team since the last core was really in place before he became GM.




Those random stats are most of the major pitching categories Do you want all of them?

I guess the better question would be why should Pomeranz be ahead of Severino? Because Bill James says so isn't an answer so I'll wait.

Agreed, people say that Hal is a bad owner, He's actually the perfect owner for Cashman, he doesn't really butt in (most of the time) and he lets Cashman do his job he's paid to do.

 

[darko]

This is the rankings from ESPN's cy young predictor.

1 Corey Kluber CLE 175.8
2 Chris Sale BOS 165.8
3 Craig Kimbrel BOS 156.2
4 Drew Pomeranz BOS 142.4
5 Carlos Carrasco CLE 138.4
6 Alex Colome TB 133.5
7 Ervin Santana MIN 127.8
8 Luis Severino NYY 126.6

Here's the formula: Cy Young Points (CYP) = ((5*IP/9)-ER) + (SO/12) + (SV*2.5) + Shutouts + ((W*6)-(L*2)) + VB
VB is 12 point Victory bonus for winning division.

I personally think Severino should be higher on the list, at least 5th (BTW did someone earlier in the thread say kimbrel was having a bad season?)

Edit: BTW if you remove the victory bonus severino would be ranked 5th.

Horrible list. Why are they putting closers on there?

 

[darko]

Sale won't win the Cy Young, no matter how many hairs fangraphs tries to split.

Sale had a 40 IP advantage when Kluber came back from the DL. Now it's down to just 17, and Kluber pitches tomorrow. He's pitched into the 8th inning in 12 of his last 17 starts. Sale only 4 in 17, and only 26 innings in his last 5 starts. That kind of pennant-chase durability is what voters tend to lean towards.

It should be Kluber. Sale has been very pedestrian lately.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

ignoring that dumb list....

Todd Frazier HR.. He's been quite productive for the Yankees down the stretch, same with Ellsbury, gotta give it to them.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

It should be Kluber. Sale has been very pedestrian lately.

Sale has a 4.27 ERA since August.

 

[darko]

Sale has a 4.27 ERA since August.

Cost himself a CY.

Kluber on the other hand has been lights out.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Lets say Frazier would take a 1 year deal to stay in New York.. Would you rather have him or Headley (he can also play 1B as we've seen) on a 1 year deal? Headley is a better hitter overall, but I like Frazier's power. Headley has very pedestrian power.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Headley.

More contact oriented with the bat. There will be more than enough power in this lineup.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Headley.

More contact oriented with the bat. There will be more than enough power in this lineup.

fair point, He can also play 1B so they wouldn't have to sign a back up 1B for the often injured Bird.

 

[darko]

Frazier wouldn't have any issues playing 1B. Headley is just a better player.

 

[Machinehead]

In a vacuum, I might take Frazier.

But with big slashers like Judge and Gary already around, and guys like Didi and Castro who don't walk much, I'd rather have the guy who hits for average and gets on base. Fills a hole.