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OT: MLB Discussion Thread Part XXVI: Batteries Reporting

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JimmyG89 said:
Not a big fan of defending the Yankees, but Bryce Harper isn't better than Judge or Stanton. He's not even close to them. If Sanchez is healthy now and can get the defense issues out of his head, he's better too.

We're talking about a black hole in RF vs one guy who is above average (Stanton) and one of the absolute best there is (Judge). It's no contest for me.
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Judge for sure, but not so sure about Stanton TBH
 
GordonGecko said:
Judge for sure, but not so sure about Stanton TBH
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Stanton is a better overall player than Harper and the average annual salary is probably a good indicator of that. But 13 years is crazy. If Harper has a year like 2015 he'll be complaining about his contract.
 
Machinehead said:
He isn't worthy of trimming Aaron Judge's nut hair.
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funny. you incessantly complain about situational hitting with men on and what not, and Harper is much better than he and Stanton in that regard...

JimmyG89 said:
Not a big fan of defending the Yankees, but Bryce Harper isn't better than Judge or Stanton. He's not even close to them. If Sanchez is healthy now and can get the defense issues out of his head, he's better too.

We're talking about a black hole in RF vs one guy who is above average (Stanton) and one of the absolute best there is (Judge). It's no contest for me.
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defensive metrics are wonky and garbage. it's a corner OF spot it's not like it's David Ortiz playing Shortstop. Harper is a better situational and all around hitter than both of them. He's a better player.

too many stat watchers.
 
Filthy Dangles said:
funny. you incessantly complain about situational hitting with men on and what not, and Harper is much better than he and Stanton in that regard...



defensive metrics are wonky and garbage. it's a corner OF spot it's not like it's David Ortiz playing Shortstop. Harper is a better situational and all around hitter than both of them. He's a better player.

too many stat watchers.
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Harper isn't better than Judge, and it's debatable with Stanton given the current contracts. Give me Stanton at 9/198 over Harper at 13/330
 
Filthy Dangles said:
defensive metrics are wonky and garbage. it's a corner OF spot. Harper is a better situational and all around hitter than both of them. He's a better player.

too many stat watchers.
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Situational hitter? Harper legit tries to pull everything.

Yeah, stat watcher that saw Harper play for years in the same division he is staying in now. He has one swing. That's it. Judge's plate coverage and overall ability to hit the ball is better. As for Stanton, the hitting is similar, except Stanton has more raw power than Harper.
 
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ChytilChytilChytil said:
25 per year, DH is coming pretty soon. Bryce changes the entire lineup. They added a lot this off season. As a Met fan, the Phillies are easily the favorite.
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Don't count out Atlanta. They have tons of pitching. I mean just look at the arms they have in high minors that are ML ready but only so many spots. If Donaldson bounces back they are going to be good and off course they have Acuna.
 
Loving NL East this season. Atlanta is young and very good. Phillies got lot better. Mets got lot better. Nats will be good again. Play ball.
 
Metsies signed Carlos Gomez to a minors deal. They love bringing in the old guys. Should be interesting to watch, though. He was a negative-WAR player last year but a 2-WAR player the year before. If his defense rebounds he's another option for that fourth or fifth OF spot.
 
It is kind of amazing though that both Machado and Harper got their mega deals when it appeared there were limited markets for both. Seemed like they were heading towards something underwhelming. I think both San Diego and Philly bid against themselves--San Diego because no one wants to play there and Philly because they got desperate (although I know Harper had another big offer on the table).
 
nyr2k2 said:
It is kind of amazing though that both Machado and Harper got their mega deals when it appeared there were limited markets for both. Seemed like they were heading towards something underwhelming. I think both San Diego and Philly bid against themselves--San Diego because no one wants to play there and Philly because they got desperate (although I know Harper had another big offer on the table).
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Meanwhile, I think the Yankees and Mets improved more than both of those teams.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
It is kind of amazing though that both Machado and Harper got their mega deals when it appeared there were limited markets for both. Seemed like they were heading towards something underwhelming. I think both San Diego and Philly bid against themselves--San Diego because no one wants to play there and Philly because they got desperate (although I know Harper had another big offer on the table).
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I'll just point out that, while San Diego's never been a powerhouse at any point in their entire history, there are two things working in their favor right now, one of which is always in their favor and another which is more contemporary:

1) it's San Diego. I mean, c'mon.

2) Their farm system is stacked. Is it going to blossom this quickly in 2019? I wouldn't put my money on it, but I'll just point out that the Yankees weren't expected to break out in 2017, and the Braves weren't expected to break out in 2018. Breakouts sometimes happen unexpectedly.

The Padres must have the money to spend, so good on them for actually spending it. The reticence MLB teams have developed towards spending any money at all has been one of the more frustrating developments in the sport these past couple of years. San Diego, on its own, is one of the most attractive markets in the entire country to play in. It shouldn't be so difficult to entice players to go there.
 
DrMartinVanNostrand said:
I'll just point out that, while San Diego's never been a powerhouse at any point in their entire history, there are two things working in their favor right now, one of which is always in their favor and another which is more contemporary:

1) it's San Diego. I mean, c'mon.

2) Their farm system is stacked. Is it going to blossom this quickly in 2019? I wouldn't put my money on it, but I'll just point out that the Yankees weren't expected to break out in 2017, and the Braves weren't expected to break out in 2018. Breakouts sometimes happen unexpectedly.

The Padres must have the money to spend, so good on them for actually spending it. The reticence MLB teams have developed towards spending any money at all has been one of the more frustrating developments in the sport these past couple of years. San Diego, on its own, is one of the most attractive markets in the entire country to play in. It shouldn't be so difficult to entice players to go there.
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All good points. I used to live in SD so o know how nice it is. In Encinitas. Still, it's a team that's not often good in a beautiful market where everyone would rather be anywhere but sitting in a stadium for three hours. If they can build some sustained success and in turn draw some people to the park, it would seem like a more attractive destination to me.
 
No doubt the biggest problem San Diego has is that they didn't really think things though all the way when they built PETCO Park back in the day. What do I mean? I vaguely remember reading in an SI or something about 13-14 yeas ago that, when they were in the design and location phase, they didn't take into consideration the marine air coming in off the Pacific. The way the park ended up being built, that air is heavy at night and is a big reason why that ballpark has always been a pitcher's paradise. To that end, it's fair to sggest that it wouldn't be a favorite place to go if you're a slugger because your numbers probably aren't going to be as good as they might be in some other ballparks.

When you're making $30M a year like Machado will be, you'll accept it. But I understand it might make things a bit tougher sometimes in more normal situations. I also seem to recall that there's been some reconfiguring PETCO to make it somewhat more hitter friendly but, honestly, I haven't watched terribly many Padres games in recent years so I really can't remember if or when any of that stuff has happened.

*sidenote - isn't it weird how pretty much every ballpark west of Phoenix is pitcher friendly? All five California parks and Safeco all play to the pitchers
 
The Yankees have already said they're carrying 13 pitchers. That's three guys on the bench.

You're not gonna do that and carry two first basemen.

It stands to reason that Voit and Bird aren't both making this team.
 
Machinehead said:
The Yankees have already said they're carrying 13 pitchers. That's three guys on the bench.

You're not gonna do that and carry two first basemen.

It stands to reason that Voit and Bird aren't both making this team.
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If that's truly the case (carrying 13 pitchers is beyond dumb, but I digress...), the edge should go to Voit. Bird has had great spring trainings before.
 
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