OT: MLB Discussion Thread: Part XXIII

[Krams]

I guess if everyone’s healthy they could be. This is pretty good offensively.

OF- Nimmo, Conforto, Cespedes
1B - Cano
2B - McNeil
SS - Rosario
3B - Frazier
C- Plawecki/FA

They could be good offensively. At this point, Alonso should be penciled in at 1B unless he has a horrible spring. He has nothing left to prove in the minors. Put Cano at 3B, relegate Frazier to backup duties and stay with McNeil at 2B.

We need another outfielder, my expectations for Cespedes' health are zero

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Cano was pissed that the Mariners moved him off of 2nd last year.

I can't see him jumping at the opportunity to do it with the Mets. Maybe he won't have a choice, but I'd probably leave him at 2nd.

 

[JimmyG89]

Cano was pissed that the Mariners moved him off of 2nd last year.

I can't see him jumping at the opportunity to do it with the Mets. Maybe he won't have a choice, but I'd probably leave him at 2nd.

For this season and the next, that could be fine. After that, you'd be hard pressed to find a 39 year old guy who can play 2nd. He'd probably welcome moving to 3rd at that point.

 

[SA16]

No one 'hates him'. People don't just don't see value in a mid-late 30's middle infielder who's owed 9 figures over half a decade like you do. You're a stats guy, you should know that his current age curve is bound for severe regression.

Looks like the mets are giving up two top prospects/players+, I expect you will be taking back your comments on the guy.

On what guy? I said giving up both Kelenic and Dunn would be bad. But what's that have to do with Cano? Either way he's still a very good player and we don't know how much he is owed because we don't know the financial terms of the deal yet. As I posted previously Steamer still has projected as the 2nd best 2B in the league next year after Altuve. 3-4 years from now is likely a different story.

 

[Krams]

Cano was pissed that the Mariners moved him off of 2nd last year.

I can't see him jumping at the opportunity to do it with the Mets. Maybe he won't have a choice, but I'd probably leave him at 2nd.

The other option is McNeil at 3B, but he looked very competent to me at 2B last year so I'm hesitant to do so.

 

[Leetch3]

rumor that seattle wants to get rid of cano so bad that they are going to pick up $60 mil plus take on bruce and swarzak. thats like $95 mil and i'm sure the wilpon's will invest that money into the team LOLOLOLOLOLMets

 

[Leetch3]

 

[RGY]

Lets go Corbin, sign with the Yanks so we can set our focuses on other players during the winter meetings with our team salary updated knowing what we may want to spend. I want to shift to Harper after Corbin.

 

[sabremike]

Other than when he called Peter Karmanos a scumbag this is the smartest thing Keith has ever said.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Pretty interesting. This dude claims there is a handshake deal already in place for Patty Corbs. And he links to a post he made where he actually broke the Cobb to Baltimore news days before it happened.

 

[RGY]

The handshake was the thanks for the steak dinner

 

[BMOK33]

Corbin is a disaster waiting to happen. He’s pretty much had one good year and pitchers in a hitter’s park. I’m surprised they aren’t going all in for someone much better than that.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Corbin is a disaster waiting to happen. He’s pretty much had one good year and pitchers in a hitter’s park. I’m surprised they aren’t going all in for someone much better than that.

He's had one elite year and a few other good years with a bad year sandwiched in between.

 

[2Leetch_94]

FWIW

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Corbin is a disaster waiting to happen. He’s pretty much had one good year and pitchers in a hitter’s park. I’m surprised they aren’t going all in for someone much better than that.

3, but I'm wary.

If the K rate stays where it is, he's a beast. High K, Low walk high ground ball guys are awesome.

 

[JT Kreider]

I don’t know about that.

They had a pretty good season last year rotation health wise. I wouldn’t bank on it happening again.

Mets lost 5 of Jake's starts to the Braves... and in those 5 losses he had FOUR earned runs combined. That's a ten game swing right there against the team they finished 13 behind.

Not that far off with better bullpen support and a neglible increase offensively

 

[Bob Richards]

$60,000,000 is more than I expected.

Not to mention dumping Texas Jay and Swarzak into the caldera of a volcano.

Make of this what you will

 

[BMOK33]

$60,000,000 is more than I expected.

Not to mention dumping Texas Jay and Swarzak into the caldera of a volcano.

Make of this what you will

I’m not sure what else they can do that doesn’t involve spending tons of money outside trading Syndergaard and it’s hard to really get any equal value back in that type of deal

 

[NYRKING30]

Take out Kelenic and replace him with Smith and I still don’t love it.

I'd be glad to include Smith in that one. I have almost no hope for him.

 

[SA16]

If the Mariners are paying 60M on Cano that means the Mets are then paying Cano 5 years 60M as well. However Bruce+Swarzak are gone (34M) so they are paying essentially 26M for 5 years of Cano (plus the small cost of the Bruce replacement), one year of Diaz on basically a minimum contract, and then should have a lot of extra money to spend in FA if they want (which, given the info I posted above they likely will spend since they have spent a lot in FA on recent years).

 

[NYRKING30]

Dying to see how Corbin would fare in the AL.

 

[sbjnyc]

They're not.

Was the trade finalized?

Cano was pissed that the Mariners moved him off of 2nd last year.

I can't see him jumping at the opportunity to do it with the Mets. Maybe he won't have a choice, but I'd probably leave him at 2nd.

Cano has a full no trade clause so I think the choice is ultimately his.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The choice is his as to whether or not he wants to go, I can't see him moving to third and being happy about it.

And while not finalized, the pieces going to Seattle have been public for a while now.

Dying to see how Corbin would fare in the AL.

His interleague numbers are pretty good.

Limited sample size, but its all we have to go off of for now.

If the slider stays as it was, he'll be fine.

 

[Roo Returns]

My problem with the Mets lineup is the same as it's been for almost 20 years. They play in a big ballpark and don't acquire guys who work pitch counts, walk, steal, and can play at least B+ defense. Acquire is a bad word I'd say more identify and develop. Those kind of players don't cost as much (music to the Wilpons ears) and are easier to retain. You play in the biggest market in the world so you can go out and get 1-2 bashers and surround them with high IQ/gritty players, you know like Mookie/Dykstra/Backman types.

 

[Krams]

$60m retained comes out to $12m annually for Cano. Bruce was making $13m, Swarzak $7m, that's a 1st year savings of $8m the Mets have to play with this offseason.