VanillaCoke
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Value of: Mittlestadt (summer)
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Is Vancouver trading us their first to take him?
VaporTrail
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You don't ever want to find yourself in Middlestadt in the middle of the night...It's a bad place after dark....
So Mittleton for Middlestadt wouldn't get it done ?
tsujimoto74
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Why are we trading Mitts right as he’s becoming a good player for us? I’d rather trade some of the magic beans in our prospect pool to shore up our D (not Kulich, Savoie, or Levi, but anyone else is fair game).
Mitts is vital to the teams success next season. Only young NHL players or top prospects (25 and under) that are available are UPL, Jokiharju and Rosen.
That is a good point but it comes down to his role on this team, what this team needs and how much he is going to cost to retain.
He plays mostly on the 3rd line but is capable of being a 2nd line center which I am sure his agent knows and will ask for that going rate after next season.
This team needs to get better defensively and defense is not his strong suit.
Trading him now for defensive help fills a need and allows a spot for one of our glut of forward prospects.
Gabrielor
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Djp
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Can he get traded…yes
will he get traded in offseason? I’d say 75% no
he is not being moved for picks or spare parts. This would be a big hockey trade involving 5+ items ( players, prospects, picks)
will he get traded in offseason? I’d say 75% no
he is not being moved for picks or spare parts. This would be a big hockey trade involving 5+ items ( players, prospects, picks)
SundherDome
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GET BACK YOU HEATHENS, stay away from my baby boy
Zman5778
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I think what the response to your original post was gettig at is that 50-60 points for a bottom 6 player is insanely good and is very seldomly seen. If he is a 50-60 poimt player and is neimg utilized in the bottom 6 (bottom 6 icetime ) … its hard to believe that both are true . True bottom 6 minutes while producing 50-60 points.
Old Navy Goat
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He has the 5th highest TOI so isn't traditionally a 3rd liner as Granato likes to shorten his bench so Quinn and Peterka's TOI suffer. Numbering the lines, he is on the 3rd as Thompson and Cozens lines are viewed as 1 and 2
SundherDome
Y'all have to much power
I have a baby boy from multiple different mothers. One on the big club, one signed to a contract but not on the big club and one not signed to a deal
Panthaz89
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See no reason to move from him and he has been filling in well on the top line while Tage is half rehabbing out there.
Matt Ress
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He's fine defensively. The entire team sucks in their own end. You would trade a core piece because you're worried his agent will want him to be paid fairly? With so much other capital? A notion that has gotten more moldy as the season has progressed. Really man, some of the worst logic I've seen around here.
Everyone says they want a #4 Dman, and when they are offered one, they say, "oh, he's not good enough."
That's what a #4 is. He is in the bottom half of all Dmen in the league. He will have flaws, maybe big ones, but will be able to play 18-20 minutes/night regardless.
If i was the Sabres I wouldn't trade Mittelstadt for anything less than a really good #4 on a good contract. Middleton has been mentioned...he might be just about perfect... defensively minded, tough, 2M and change AAV. I don't think he will be traded, but maybe a player like him?
In general, though, I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade CM until the young prospects prove that they are good enough to take his place. Sabres cannot screw around for another year and not make the playoffs. They would be better off trading one of their prospects and a pick, IMO.
An alternative would be to simply overpay for a UFA Dman on a short term deal, and hope that the rest of the D mature in the meantime, and maybe someone like Johnson is ready in a year or two.
Keep Mittlestadt. If he reverts to meh next year then you don't re-sign him.
That's what a #4 is. He is in the bottom half of all Dmen in the league. He will have flaws, maybe big ones, but will be able to play 18-20 minutes/night regardless.
If i was the Sabres I wouldn't trade Mittelstadt for anything less than a really good #4 on a good contract. Middleton has been mentioned...he might be just about perfect... defensively minded, tough, 2M and change AAV. I don't think he will be traded, but maybe a player like him?
In general, though, I wouldn't be in a hurry to trade CM until the young prospects prove that they are good enough to take his place. Sabres cannot screw around for another year and not make the playoffs. They would be better off trading one of their prospects and a pick, IMO.
An alternative would be to simply overpay for a UFA Dman on a short term deal, and hope that the rest of the D mature in the meantime, and maybe someone like Johnson is ready in a year or two.
Keep Mittlestadt. If he reverts to meh next year then you don't re-sign him.
Zach716
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Regarding the #4, I think the thought for most Sabres fans is we have 2 glaring holes, goalie and #2 RHD. We have way too many valuable assets that aren’t being spent wisely if we don’t spend it on a top tier RHD. Too many young kids with potential that will need a shot as forwards and Dahlin Samuelsson Power locked in long term in D. Just getting someone serviceable in that role would be a waste.
You have cap space, right? Just give Dumba a 3 year, 18M contract. That's an overpay, IMO, but you are doing it so he will go away after three years. Not the offensive force that he was a few years ago, but he can still really skate, is tough, and has some puck moving skill. Makes some mistakes, but makes up for it with his athleticism, usually. More of a 3D than a 4D....not a plodder.
Save your prospects and picks till something really good comes along. BUF needs to start making the playoffs, but their success is likely a few years down the road, when those picks/prospects start to mature.
I could be way off on Dumba's value. Part of me wouldn't be surprised to see him get a 6/36M contract, or a 2/9M. He is part of a really good D pair in MN, but it's hard to say how much of their success is to Brodin, and how much to Dumba. He is used to playing on a lot of minutes on a defensively oriented team, though.
stokes84
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Mittlestadt is not untouchable, but if we are trading him, it would be for a top player. His value is similar to what Tuch’s was at the time of the Eichel trade.
I am not sure what you mean by “fine”? Not worst on the team? Because he is not good defensively.
Simple HF posters may not think about his next contract but I guarantee you Adams is and rightfully so.
I have this image of you swinging around a Kevin Sundher autographed mini stick as you fend off potential claimants. It makes me chuckle.
Matt Ress
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Judging by your font, you are indeed not sure what "fine" means.
The entire forward group is not effective in their own zone. It's more of a system thing than an individual thing. Now if we move back to discussing the player, he's tenacious on the puck in the other two zones and there's really no reason to think he wouldn't be in his own zone.
Even a simple HF poster like myself wouldn't believe that Adams should take this strangely specific assumption you've made and build his salary construct upon it. At the cost of trading away what he, the head coach and several teammates have called the hardest working guy on the team, no less.
SundherDome
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Panthaz89
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he is pretty good defensively what a terrible take playing with Olofsson for most of the season tanked his +/- a stat that tells you nothing.
If he was “pretty good” defensively you’d think our coaching staff would recognize that and put him on the PK as we’ve had historically bad penalty kill all season.As now he sandwiched between Casey Fitzgerald and Pilut in total short handed time.
