you most certainly can trade an injured player... As well, since Mitchell is a non roster player, injured outside of a CBA, there would be an argument for some other options if absolutely required...
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you most certainly can trade an injured player... As well, since Mitchell is a non roster player, injured outside of a CBA, there would be an argument for some other options if absolutely required...
kingsfan
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Maybe if the injured player granted permission, but to the best of my knowledge you can't trade a player on IR.
Sydor25
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kilowatt
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I think that with Regehr and Greene back, Scuderi is going to play a lot less minutes. That is a VERY good thing. Scuderi won't be as tired or worn down throughout the game. Scuderi leads the league in SH TOI. That takes a toll on the body!
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What? Why would you want to put Greene and Regher together? Two staying at home bruisers together? The only time I like to see these two together is for PK.
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So what is Martinez? Martinez is only 25 and costs about $500,000 less than Ellerby.
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Originally Posted by RonSwanson
So let's say July 1 Dean has no timetable for Willie, so Scuds and RR both come back for another year, and then in October Willie is ready to play. What happens then?
Not so easy, we need to make 3.5 million in cap space room for him. DL wants his answer this summer so we can have a plan going into next year. I think he said he will have more news later this week on his knee so we'll see. In any event I think we proceed as if Willie is not back. Now in case he is done, how do we free ourselves of that cap space... LTIR?, trade?.. can we?, Buyout(I thnk we can't)? I think this is one of DL's challenges this summer. He needs to know what he has to work with.
So let's say July 1 Dean has no timetable for Willie, so Scuds and RR both come back for another year, and then in October Willie is ready to play. What happens then?
Not so easy, we need to make 3.5 million in cap space room for him. DL wants his answer this summer so we can have a plan going into next year. I think he said he will have more news later this week on his knee so we'll see. In any event I think we proceed as if Willie is not back. Now in case he is done, how do we free ourselves of that cap space... LTIR?, trade?.. can we?, Buyout(I thnk we can't)? I think this is one of DL's challenges this summer. He needs to know what he has to work with.
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I don't know about 4 more years. I'm thinking closer to 2 would be ideal. Besides, I say we only sign Scuds if we don't sign RR. With VV and Muzz both expecting raises, it'll be tough to squeeze in Scuds salary imo.
kingsfan
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http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nhl/news/story?id=5909790
While the article says that Sturm won't be ready for a week or so, it also says he had to pass a physical in order to be traded.
If he doesn't pass that physical, he's not getting traded.
Sturm was on IR all season (so from October onward) until the trade was announced. The trade was done on December 12th, and Sturm was first in the line up for the Kings on December 21st.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2010020500
You can't trade a guy on IR to the best of my knowledge.
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So what is Martinez? Martinez is only 25 and costs about $500,000 less than Ellerby.
What? Did you pull those numbers out of your....
Salary-
Amart- 737k
Ellerby- 700k
http://www.capgeek.com/kings/
All I am saying is that Ellerby is young and has room to grow, and same could be said for Amart, although Amart has more value given his experience in the playoffs and winning a Cup.
Sydor25
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Yet, Sturm was on IR before and after the trade. He wasn't activated until 12/21 and was traded on 12/11.
http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...from-injured-list-in-lineup-vs-Avalanche.html
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I actually disagree that Amart has more value. I think Ellerby being a former 1st round pick, bigger and plays more of the physical game will return more assets to the kings than Amart would.
I think AMart could by traded for more than a 5th, which is what Ellerby was traded for.
Minor Boarding
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Injured players can be traded. Justin Williams had a arm injury when traded to LA, McCauly, Bure, Cloutier, Fraser were all injured When traded for.
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The 5th was prior to becoming a king. I think his value has ascended since having played with the kings, but I could be wrong here. I just get the feeling that Amart won't return much if traded.
Ziggy Stardust
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Martinez is significantly better than Ellerby, but of late, Martinez has been without a doubt the worst defenseman on the roster. He's been out of position quite a bit and just hasn't looked very good for most of the season.
Hopefully it's just an off year and he can brush it off and bounce back. We know he's better than this and he deserves to sit this one out. Maybe this will get him to snap out of it and have him get his **** together.
Hopefully it's just an off year and he can brush it off and bounce back. We know he's better than this and he deserves to sit this one out. Maybe this will get him to snap out of it and have him get his **** together.
kingsfan
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Williams was playing within two weeks of the trade, and had to gain medical clearance for the trade: http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/06/sports/sp-elliott-kings-stars6
"He was greeted at Staples Center by team doctors and an X-ray machine, and he's scheduled to see a hand specialist today."
MacCauley and Bure were UFA signings, so totally different, Fraser wasn't actually on IR when the trade happened, and wasn't found to be hurt until after the deal, which is what caused the problem. Cloutier wasn't on the IR at the time of the trade either and played in the Kings first game of the season following the trade. His hip didn't start causing him issues again until a few games into that season.
According the CBA (well the last and previous versions) there's no restrictions, nor has there ever been, regarding trading players on LTIR...
