Mitch the creative passer edition

[Larcos_Unal]

Jay's rant is still 100% on the money

 

[Stephen]

Mitch has been same kid since he was 6 years old .. nothing has ever changed .. don't expect any changes now .. he always runs into huge problems when game pace really picks up and he can't afford himself time and space with puck .. he has no plan B in his game .. he can't start running into people .. he can't handle any rough stuff .. he could never forecheck .. he only has a quick acceleration to beat people and then drag puck at blueline and use his edgework to hold onto puck .. but he will pick up tons of points in slower games where time and space with puck fondles his creativity .. and his creativity is best in game .. he knows it too .. it is kinda sad really as I have been telling his dad since he was 6 what needed to be fixed .. but some people never listen and they never learn

You remember that CBC mini documentary about young Mitch blowing it in a big game and mean Paul Marner's giving it to him for not skating and missing the net? It's kind of crazy how that one little scene seems to have set the entire pattern of his pro career and relationship with the fanbase.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You remember that CBC mini documentary about young Mitch blowing it in a big game and mean Paul Marner's giving it to him for not skating and missing the net? It's kind of crazy how that one little scene seems to have set the entire pattern of his pro career and relationship with the fanbase.

I'd never seen that, thanks for sharing. I honestly feel a bit sorry for Mitch after watching that. On the one hand, he obviously loves the game but on the other hand, it couldn't have been easy taking crap from his dad all those years. Oh well, he's filthy rich now, I hope he's happy and feels like like it was worth it. I wonder if he really is happy though.

 

[hamzarocks]

The best thing marner could do if he wants to be a leaf is extend for below 10.5M

Turns all the pressure up to Nylander and gives him some good will

If he goes for 12-13M he will get a ton of hate as he cant live up to that deal

Our big 3 unfortunately are all so overpaid. They chase money@, sign deals they dont have the ability to live up to, and then are shocked when fans/media turn on them.

Their overpayments gutted the teams depth and ability to add L/T quality support pieces

 

[GoonieFace]

Marner needs to go…but it will never happen

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marner needs to go…but it will never happen

This is my fear as well. I really thought this team had a shot to go all the way last year with all the TDL adds and instead, they just got rolled by a huge underdog. It's time to end the experiment and with Matthews and Nylander locked in with NMC's, moving on from Marner seems like obvious play but I can see his extension coming from miles away and it's going to be really hard to have any optimism for the near future if and when that happens.

 

[Notsince67]

This was so predictable. Good team, and Mitch is a mix of invisible and terrible. We are going to pay him 13 million to watch these performances in the future too. I know his fans will listen to no criticism on him, but he did his act again today. Of course Keefe will continue to play him, because Marner's feelings are top priority for this organization.

Lordy. Willy with the second highest contract with an 11.14% xg% and u think Marner needs singling out. He wasn't better offensively or defensively.
Marner wasn't great but you have strange timing

 

[Leafblooded]

It'd be really nice if Willy, Austin and Tavares pitched one to two mil off their deals so the leafs could sign a real goalie. If Marner pitched in maybe we could even get another good D man on top. If they just all shaved a mil or two our team would be so much better and they'd make more money AND be more loved in the long run. If it were me, I'd do it if the other guys agreed to do it too.

 

[arso40]

The best thing marner could do if he wants to be a leaf is extend for below 10.5M

Turns all the pressure up to Nylander and gives him some good will

If he goes for 12-13M he will get a ton of hate as he cant live up to that deal

Our big 3 unfortunately are all so overpaid. They chase money@, sign deals they dont have the ability to live up to, and then are shocked when fans/media turn on them.

Their overpayments gutted the teams depth and ability to add L/T quality support pieces

He won’t get that he can’t right ?

Lordy. Willy with the second highest contract with an 11.14% xg% and u think Marner needs singling out. He wasn't better offensively or defensively.
Marner wasn't great but you have strange timing

Marner still has a higher percentage of the cap and nylander is better offensively and almost as good defensively which makes him a better overall player

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

It'd be really nice if Willy, Austin and Tavares pitched one to two mil off their deals so the leafs could sign a real goalie. If Marner pitched in maybe we could even get another good D man on top. If they just all shaved a mil or two our team would be so much better and they'd make more money AND be more loved in the long run. If it were me, I'd do it if the other guys agreed to do it too.

Well, Reilly already pitched in at least $1.5M off is contract...I guess he was the sucker who thought the others would follow suit.

 

[hamzarocks]

This is my fear as well. I really thought this team had a shot to go all the way last year with all the TDL adds and instead, they just got rolled by a huge underdog. It's time to end the experiment and with Matthews and Nylander locked in with NMC's, moving on from Marner seems like obvious play but I can see his extension coming from miles away and it's going to be really hard to have any optimism for the near future if and when that happens.

Marner has a much longer history of sustained elite production compared to Nylander

Nylander had 38 games while Marnwr had 5ish years.

I dont thinj either are worth more than 10M personally but you look at internal structure it is

Matthews > Marner > Nylander

The org values marner ahead of nylander, marner has had better production and results for 5 years prior to this one

Marner wont get 13M x 5 like Matthews but he will look for 12-13M on full term unfortunately

I would deal him with those expected demands, but the NMc screws us heavily.

The issue also is, marner is losing value for a deal now

Age, potential down year/decline beginning, LT deal wanted. Teams should/could be cautious to a Johnny Hubes scenerio where he signs a monster deal based on his previous 5 years but he falls off in a new system/structure

We are in a terrible spot tbh. No idea what Pizza man does.

 

[34]

This was so predictable. Good team, and Mitch is a mix of invisible and terrible. We are going to pay him 13 million to watch these performances in the future too. I know his fans will listen to no criticism on him, but he did his act again today. Of course Keefe will continue to play him, because Marner's feelings are top priority for this organization.

Marner is a Fraud. He is a $7M player at best. I am really hoping the Leafs part ways with him and his dad.

 

[Notsince67]

He won’t get that he can’t right ?


Marner still has a higher percentage of the cap and nylander is better offensively and almost as good defensively which makes him a better overall player

Not last night hence my timing comment...and Marner has been better offensively for every year other than this one so this falls a bit flat

 

[Sypher04]

Marner --> will make about 12.5M = 2.5M overpaid

Nylander makes 11.5M will be 3M overpaid

Matthews makes 13.25M about 2M overpaid

Our big 3 will be close to 7.5M overpaid

Impossible to win with that level of cap mismanagement

Tavares is 5M overpaid this year and likely 6M next year as well

All this post tells me is you know nothing about player valuations. Matthews and Nylander are both a bit overpaid, but no where near to the tune of a combined 5M, more like 1.75M

But of course you have to paint a dramatically more negative picture than is reality because it’s your shtick.

 

[hamzarocks]

All this post tells me is you know nothing about player valuations. Matthews and Nylander are both a bit overpaid, but no where near to the tune of 5M

They are overpaid based on term (Matthews), production size (Nylander has 40 games of being a franchise player), and playoffs production falling flat

13.25M x 4 is a gross deal, no comparable will take that.

Mack got 12.6 x 8, Pasta for 11.25 x 8, Draisaitl will take 13-13.5M x 8, Mcdavid isnt a comp but he will also do 8 year term

Nylander we paid based off of 35 insane game stretch. He had 2 80 or higher seasons in his career before this. He was a 8-9M player, and we caved into his demands, giving him a deal that pays him like hes Pastranak, Matthews type player

We overpaid insanely for the two of them.

Tkachuk had a 105 pt full season and then signed for 9.5M x 8, at a younger age with the panthers.

Nylander should have come around that at the most.

He has a contract that is impossible for a player of his talent to live upto

He needs to be a top 3 winger and top 10 player for half that deal to be worth 11.5M

 

[Sypher04]

Nylander is overpaid by about $1M
Matthews by about $500-$600K

Matthews deal being only 4 years was never going to lower his price. His next 4 years will be his highly likely most productive remaining of his career, why would the price be less for short term? I don’t get how people don’t understand this. Years 5-8 of a hypothetical max term deal would be against a higher cap but with a 32-36 year old player which kinda cancel each other out.

His deal should have been 12.75M max imo but 4 vs 8 doesn’t change much here at all as far as I’m concerned.

 

[MapleLeafs77]

Marner --> will make about 12.5M = 2.5M overpaid

Nylander makes 11.5M will be 3M overpaid

Matthews makes 13.25M about 2M overpaid

Our big 3 will be close to 7.5M overpaid

Impossible to win with that level of cap mismanagement

Tavares is 5M overpaid this year and likely 6M next year as well

I agree on all of those except matthews. He would have gotten 16 mill on open market. The other guys would not have gotten that money on open market. Especially marner and nylander.

 

[hamzarocks]

I agree on all of those except matthews. He would have gotten 16 mill on open market. The other guys would not have gotten that money on open market. Especially marner and nylander.

If Matthews is getting 16M on the open market, that team that signs him will be the next Ottawa Senators.

This can't be a valid excuse everytime our guys sign a historically poor deal imo

We saw Mackinnon the summer before sign 12.6M x 8. He could have gotten 16M on the open market I guess too, but took a lot less and a deal he is outplaying

13.25M for Matthews is going to be super hard to live up to. His play making is non existent right now. He needs to be scoring 65 to 70 goals a year to make it worth our while, and cant decline to 35 goals only in the playoffs

 

[arso40]

Not last night hence my timing comment...and Marner has been better offensively for every year other than this one so this falls a bit flat

No he hasn’t for the last year and a half he hasn’t he had more ice team exclusively with Matthews and the pp running through him take those away and you have what you’ve seen

 

[hamzarocks]

All this post tells me is you know nothing about player valuations. Matthews and Nylander are both a bit overpaid, but no where near to the tune of a combined 5M, more like 1.75M

But of course you have to paint a dramatically more negative picture than is reality because it’s your shtick.

Nylander isnt worth 10.5M he hasnt ever hit 90 pts lol

How he got 10M+ only Shanny+ Treliving can explain.

We fell for a career year and gave nylander a deal he will never live up to.

He is 28 next year, to be 11.5M player he has to be a top 3 or 4 winger in the league.

He hasnt been top 10 ever before this year.

I guess your shtick is pretending our core players are 20-30% better than they are to justify their deals

 

[arso40]

They are overpaid based on term (Matthews), production size (Nylander has 40 games of being a franchise player), and playoffs production falling flat

13.25M x 4 is a gross deal, no comparable will take that.

Mack got 12.6 x 8, Pasta for 11.25 x 8, Draisaitl will take 13-13.5M x 8, Mcdavid isnt a comp but he will also do 8 year term

Nylander we paid based off of 35 insane game stretch. He had 2 80 or higher seasons in his career before this. He was a 8-9M player, and we caved into his demands, giving him a deal that pays him like hes Pastranak, Matthews type player

We overpaid insanely for the two of them.

Tkachuk had a 105 pt full season and then signed for 9.5M x 8, at a younger age with the panthers.

Nylander should have come around that at the most.

He has a contract that is impossible for a player of his talent to live upto

He needs to be a top 3 winger and top 10 player for half that deal to be worth 11.5M

If you didn’t pay rfa marner that % of the cap Willy couldn’t argue for that

 

[hamzarocks]

If you didn’t pay rfa marner that % of the cap Willy couldn’t argue for that

Thats on Dubas for sure.

Marner wasnt worth his cap % s a rfa

Nylander though over 2019 to 2023 wasnt close to Marner in prodcution. He had 35 games where he was better and that got him 11.5M ~13% of the cap.

 

[arso40]

Nylander isnt worth 10.5M he hasnt ever hit 90 pts lol

How he got 10M+ only Shanny+ Treliving can explain.

We fell for a career year and gave nylander a deal he will never live up to.

He is 28 next year, to be 11.5M player he has to be a top 3 or 4 winger in the league.

He hasnt been top 10 ever before this year.

I guess your shtick is pretending our core players are 20-30% better than they are to justify their deals

So be the fool who pays for what someone use to do I’ll use analytics and the eye test to pay who looks like they deserve it f*** outta here with shinny hoccey

 

[hamzarocks]

So be the fool who pays for what someone use to do I’ll use analytics and the eye test to pay who looks like they deserve it f*** outta here with shinny hoccey

Neither of them deserve that type of money

Marner should take a pay cut down to 10 or 10.5M

Nylander should have gotten a pay raise at 9 or maybe 9.5M max

At a combined 19M both would be on deals they can live up to, be making life changing money still, be appreciated by the fans

At the expected 23-24M they are overpaid by 4-5M and they will get targetted by fans

 

[Anthrax442]

If Matthews is getting 16M on the open market, that team that signs him will be the next Ottawa Senators.

This can't be a valid excuse everytime our guys sign a historically poor deal imo

We saw Mackinnon the summer before sign 12.6M x 8. He could have gotten 16M on the open market I guess too, but took a lot less and a deal he is outplaying

13.25M for Matthews is going to be super hard to live up to. His play making is non existent right now. He needs to be scoring 65 to 70 goals a year to make it worth our while, and cant decline to 35 goals only in the playoffs

Matthews is on this team to score, not to pass