Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[AvroArrow]

Im on lunch, I have time, I normally don't get myself into these sorta scrimmages on HF, I thank you for being my first.

At this point in time this thread really makes no sense. You're right, one side has to be louder than the other side. Sure discussions on a board are the whole point, but until we hear any updates from the leafs or Marner camp, this thread should die. It won't, but it is what it is. I'll continue my usual lurking self and go back in the shadows. Good day.

Everyone remembers their first lmao

But seriously all bullshit aside, everyone here wants the same thing. For this team to be successful. And listen, if Marner can play as good as he thinks he can in the playoffs and make shit happen, I'll be cheering him on and the team. I want everyone on this team to excel and I want nothing other than them to win it all.

That being said, in simplest terms. Marner is not doing enough on and off the ice to justify asking for that insane contract he has, and he is obviously looking for a raise. He needs to show he is fully committed to doing whatever he can to help this team win, and thus far he has failed to demonstrate that.

If a player is demanding top dollar, it is only fair the organization and fans demand top effort and results. One side has delivered on their end of the bargain, the other has not, it is only fair to want some accountability.

 

[Hellcat]

Yet you're replying to every post

Sadly we have to post 5-6 times because people either intentionally ignore the actual point being made (He needs to work harder on and off the ice if he's going to demand insane $$$) or it just goes over their head, and then there's a couple guys who think he actually works hard, which is probably the worst.

He is a 90+ point guy all day.

 

[AvroArrow]

What are the search terms you'd use? "pre puberty glam shots of Mitch Marner" .... Jesus even typing that makes me uncomfortably queasy.... ....

Dude you're into some weird shit, why would you even type that sentence up and think it is a good idea to post on an internet forum. I'm done talking to you, that was beyond creepy man lol.

 

[hullsy47]

Why would you assume there were threats?

Well they sure as he'll didn't give any loyalty discount

 

[Hellcat]

Dude you're into some weird shit, why would you even type that sentence up and think it is a good idea to post on an internet forum. I'm done talking to you, that was beyond creepy man lol.

Agreed the person who posted the picture was creepy....

 

[hullsy47]

He is a 90+ point guy all day.

If marner walks .....guaranteed pay cut
So let's see the loyalty

 

[myleafs]

It's funny how ignorant they are to how sad they appear. I get that schools is out and the kids have time on their hands but some of them would be better served heading outside for a bit

Another post with nothing hockey related and full of insults. Are you that bored with yourself?

 

[ACC1224]

Well they sure as he'll didn't give any loyalty discount

ok?

 

[hullsy47]

Why would you assume there were threats?

Offer sheets ,holdouts everybody wanted tavaras money ,but would not wait

 

[Confucius]

I cant be the only one who sees the irony in how certain Marner supporters continue to go back to one shot blocking video from 5 years ago to support their claim that he plays with any kind of grit or heart. Which of course unintentionally proves there aren't many recent instances to back up their claim.

Well everyone has their own style. Kessel didn't appear to be in great shape or play with any more toughness than Marner. Hey he probably should have won a conn scythe in one of his 2 Cup victories.

 

[Hellcat]

If marner walks .....guaranteed pay cut
So let's see the loyalty

Indeed , premier UFA's often take pay cuts in the todays NHL when the Cap is goign up and GM's are desperate to improve their teams... yep... UFA pay cuts to 90 point players ... happens ALL the time... Yup.. sure does... no doubt...pay cut... what are the terms of your guarantee?

Well everyone has their own style. Kessel didn't appear to be in great shape or play with any more toughness than Marner. Hey he probably should have won a conn scythe in one of his 2 Cup victories.

To think a guy who eats hot dogs won the cup... it's like reverse gravity....

 

[Kazparov]

Pitch Fork Fools: He disappears in the playoffs

Common sense crowd: He scores 90+ points a year

^^^This is really the argument though isn't it?^^^

 

[ACC1224]

Offer sheets ,holdouts everybody wanted tavaras money ,but would not wait

Got it.
With RFA's threats are pretty hollow but Dubas was pretty green so he may have fell for it.

 

[ZEBROA]

I have just realized that i am an idiot. Trying to cut down on that. Se y'all 9th of October. Wish you all a great summer

 

[Hellcat]

Another post with nothing hockey related and full of insults. Are you that bored with yourself?

It's no secret that 99.9% of kids are idiots. How is it full of insults?

I have just realized that i am an idiot. Trying to cut down on that. Se y'all 9th of October. Wish you all a great summer

I'm still working towards that enlightenment ... vodka gets me close ....

 

[GoonieFace]

It's funny how ignorant they are to how sad they appear. I get that schools is out and the kids have time on their hands but some of them would be better served heading outside for a bit.

This coming from the guy that said
“Thankfully the lower end of the fanbase can't afford to attend”

 

[Antropovsky]

Well everyone has their own style. Kessel didn't appear to be in great shape or play with any more toughness than Marner. Hey he probably should have won a conn scythe in one of his 2 Cup victories.

Kessel was one of the best skaters in the league. He might not have been in top shape but he would leave Marner in his dust.

Ive already said many times, if Marner was fast, strength and size wouldnt matter as much. A hard shot would be very helpful too.

He's looked completely overwhelmed in the playoffs.

 

[Hellcat]

This coming from the guy that said
“Thankfully the lower end of the fanbase can't afford to attend”

ACC had fair statement.

Kessel was one of the best skaters in the league. He might not have been in top shape but he would leave Marner in his dust.

Ive already said many times, if Marner was fast, strength and size wouldnt matter as much. A hard shot would be very helpful too.

He's looked completely overwhelmed in the playoffs.

If you are fast where do you sit in the Rocket Richard trophy? Selke? What is the name of that Fastest skater award again?

Mitch is a 90+ point guy all day.

 

[Superstar]

Kessel was one of the best skaters in the league. He might not have been in top shape but he would leave Marner in his dust.

Ive already said many times, if Marner was fast, strength and size wouldnt matter as much. A hard shot would be very helpful too.

He's looked completely overwhelmed in the playoffs.

Kessel showed more heart in that one game 7 with a weak Leafs team against Boston than Marner did in the last 8 playoffs. And he's got 2 Cups to show for in his career.

 

[notdoneyet]

Mods why can’t we shut this thread down
It’s been beaten to death
Now it’s just posters pointing out their fitness level and arguing about it
No real substance anymore just mindless criticism

 

[Confucius]

Kessel was one of the best skaters in the league. He might not have been in top shape but he would leave Marner in his dust.

Ive already said many times, if Marner was fast, strength and size wouldnt matter as much. A hard shot would be very helpful too.

He's looked completely overwhelmed in the playoffs.

How could he be one of the best skaters, yet he appeared to look like he never worked out? Exactly my point, players are what they are, what works for one may not work for someone else. I can’t blame a guy for not wanting to screw with what got him to where he is.

 

[Bomber0104]

Mods why can’t we shut this thread down
It’s been beaten to death
Now it’s just posters pointing out their fitness level and arguing about it
No real substance anymore just mindless criticism

Shhh, for those of us who don't really care one way or the other this is great summer entertainment.

Don't ruin it for us.

 

[notDatsyuk]

^^^This is really the argument though isn't it?^^^

Idol worshippers: he scores 90+ points a year (regular season).

Common sense crowd: he disappears in the playoffs.

I suppose it's a matter of which season you think is more important.

 

[Funnymanrocco]

Yet over the last 8 years the core 4 have won more playoff games then McDrai.

Leafs 24 wins
Oilers 22 wins

Huh ? Try 36 wins for oilers. Where did you get 22 ?
Oilers have almost 22 just in the last 2 seasons alone.

 

[Antropovsky]

How could he be one of the best skaters, yet he appeared to look like he never worked out? Exactly my point, players are what they are, what works for one may not work for someone else. I can’t blame a guy for not wanting to screw with what got him to where he is.

This makes no sense.

If Kessel was slow, he likely wouldn't have had near the success he did.

Marner is weak and slow...
Kessel was out of shape and fast..

(..and he wasn't easy to knock off his skates. )

See the difference?

Recall that one of the main traits Babs looked for in players was their skating ability. Marner is small/weak and ranks in the bottom 50% in skating speed.

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