Player Discussion Mitch Marner - On Hiatus

[ToneDog]

I agree with this. It's why I thought a change of scenery could do wonders for him.

The Marner camp are not stupid. They know Toronto is their only hope to get more than the Nylander contract. I dare the Leafs and Marner camp to play it out so we can see who steps up and pays him.

I'm still waiting to see the 28 teams lined up to trade for him, step up and trade from him. Shame on you Kyper and I like the show.

 

[ACC1224]

No problem for me. If I don't engage people on the fourm, I might actually have to work. Besides, I don't care if Marner gets traded - whatever is best for the team!

That's how most feel, it's all the made up garbage people have an issue with.

 

[ACC1224]

Chris Johnston:

• Surprised that they went this route again - it's not just the losing, but the predictable way they keep losing. It's the same every time.
• Wonders if a lot of what was said at the end of season presser (about change) was just lip service to a marketplace that needed to hear that.
• Mentions Keith Pelley said "he's not here to sell sweaters" - points out that nothing that they've done suggests they're about winning a cup.
• Believes main reason why Canadian teams in general don't win cups, is because they don't need to - Leafs are top 3 in revenue every year. Successful regular season team, with guaranteed playoff gate revenue every year.
• The Leafs didn't want to go to war with Marner
• Marner's camp wasn't approached for a list of teams.
• Guentzel got $9M on the open market - Marner is younger, and has outperformed Guentzel in the regular season, so predicts that Marner could get more than Guentzel on the market open
• Doesn't know if he would get $2M more than Guentzel as a free agent though
• Thinks Marner tries too hard. Cares too much.
• Doesn't think the Leafs are afraid of him or his representatives, but are afraid of the market. Scared of losing a trade.
• They've made moves this summer, but they haven't vastly changed what the team is.

Guessing those with the more vivid imaginations won't like this but it seems to echo a lot of the thoughts that have been mentioned this summer.
Bolded is garbage though, no team thinks that way.

 

[DarkKnight]

Just look back at this thread and you will find those links.

Also stop acting like MM was not in trade discussions since Game 7 of the playoffs against the Bruins.

You are a lot better poster than that.

Who said he was? It was speculation and when teams were asked they said they had not such conversations. So, you can believe based on bs here and some insider legit speculation or be hesitant. The fact you state absolutely nothing as fact is the problem. Nobody knows what has happened. We heard he was on the block the same day someone else said they were discussing an extension. The fact he's still here says something too, and this garbage nobody wants him either lol.

 

[Mess]

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As the first week of free agency closed, TSN's Chris Johnston was on The Steve Dangle Podcast yesterday, where they discussed free agency and the Leafs' moves at length. Johnston was asked at one point if it was more likely that Marner signs an extension or walks to free agency and Johnston's response was quite surprising.

According to Chris Johnston of TSN, the Leafs are expected to run it back once again with the "Core 4" before letting Mitch Marner walk in free agency next summer.

The Leafs missed the opportunity to avoid a summer circus this season by not trading Marner before his no-movement clauses kicked in. Now Tavares has said he isn't going anywhere, Marner became the target of much trade speculation. Marner has been called out for 'disappearing' in the playoffs.

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"It's probably more likely he walks than he signs an extension. Not significantly so, but if we were setting the betting lines now, the favourite would be [he] walks as a free agent, then I would say re-sign is the next favourite. I'm just not sure they are going to give him the option to stay either."​

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The surprising part of what Johnston said isn't that Marner is more likely to walk than sign an extension, but rather that the Leafs seemingly aren't going to give him the option to sign one.

 

[ACC1224]

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As the first week of free agency closed, TSN's Chris Johnston was on The Steve Dangle Podcast yesterday, where they discussed free agency and the Leafs' moves at length. Johnston was asked at one point if it was more likely that Marner signs an extension or walks to free agency and Johnston's response was quite surprising.

According to Chris Johnston of TSN, the Leafs are expected to run it back once again with the "Core 4" before letting Mitch Marner walk in free agency next summer.

The Leafs missed the opportunity to avoid a summer circus this season by not trading Marner before his no-movement clauses kicked in. Now Tavares has said he isn't going anywhere, Marner became the target of much trade speculation. Marner has been called out for 'disappearing' in the playoffs.

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The surprising part of what Johnston said isn't that Marner is more likely to walk than sign an extension, but rather that the Leafs seemingly aren't going to give him the option to sign one.

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I know we always assumed it but when did Tavares say he "isn't going anywhere"?

 

[DarkKnight]

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As the first week of free agency closed, TSN's Chris Johnston was on The Steve Dangle Podcast yesterday, where they discussed free agency and the Leafs' moves at length. Johnston was asked at one point if it was more likely that Marner signs an extension or walks to free agency and Johnston's response was quite surprising.

According to Chris Johnston of TSN, the Leafs are expected to run it back once again with the "Core 4" before letting Mitch Marner walk in free agency next summer.

The Leafs missed the opportunity to avoid a summer circus this season by not trading Marner before his no-movement clauses kicked in. Now Tavares has said he isn't going anywhere, Marner became the target of much trade speculation. Marner has been called out for 'disappearing' in the playoffs.

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The surprising part of what Johnston said isn't that Marner is more likely to walk than sign an extension, but rather that the Leafs seemingly aren't going to give him the option to sign one.

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If the plan is to let him walk, then they have to trade him before the deadline. It's fine to sit here in July and think that's feasible, but the clamour with the fan base and media frenzy will make it untenable if say we're here in Feb with no extension. We aren't doing a Sundin here imo, yes cap space is value but you're not going into the playoffs with this guy set to walk and you have no return. Something gives before the tdl.

 

[ACC1224]

If the plan is to let him walk, then they have to trade him before the deadline. It's fine to sit here in July and think that's feasible, but the clamour with the fan base and media frenzy will make it untenable if say we're here in Feb with no extension. We aren't doing a Sundin here imo, yes cap space is value but you're not going into the playoffs with this guy set to walk and you have no return. Something gives before the tdl.

If he's still here by the deadline without an extension, unless the team is out of a playoff spot, it's hard to see him willing to leave his teammates at that point.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Chris Johnston:

• Surprised that they went this route again - it's not just the losing, but the predictable way they keep losing. It's the same every time.
• Wonders if a lot of what was said at the end of season presser (about change) was just lip service to a marketplace that needed to hear that.
• Mentions Keith Pelley said "he's not here to sell sweaters" - points out that nothing that they've done suggests they're about winning a cup.
• Believes main reason why Canadian teams in general don't win cups, is because they don't need to - Leafs are top 3 in revenue every year. Successful regular season team, with guaranteed playoff gate revenue every year.
• The Leafs didn't want to go to war with Marner
• Marner's camp wasn't approached for a list of teams.
• Guentzel got $9M on the open market - Marner is younger, and has outperformed Guentzel in the regular season, so predicts that Marner could get more than Guentzel on the market open
• Doesn't know if he would get $2M more than Guentzel as a free agent though
• Thinks Marner tries too hard. Cares too much.
• Doesn't think the Leafs are afraid of him or his representatives, but are afraid of the market. Scared of losing a trade.
• They've made moves this summer, but they haven't vastly changed what the team is.

How could he know what Guentzel would have gone for on the open market? He extended in Tampa. Did the clock tick past free agency before the ink dried on the contract, and that made him technically an open market signing?

 

[Metroid]

So does Marner think he can get more from a team in UFA? Or has it gotten to the point where he may just be bitter and angry at the "fans/media" (right or wrong) and will actually sign a "team friendly" deal with another team to spite us....
Most logical thing is media is spewing b.s for rage bait clicks because marner is super hot topic. ....

-all we THINK we know is, he wants to be here and he wants to make the most money....
-going to another team makes no sense for him as a UFA.
-being traded does make sense, but cap space is iffy at the moment for most teams
-both leafs and marner are afraid of this trade..leafs for "losing" the trade.. and marner will have massive FOMO on another team and IF it helps us get better and win, he will regret it... All he has to do at this point is just put up and shut up this season.. unfortunately our media wont allow for that to happen, so we're all f***ed.. TMZ leafs edition....

End rant.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

Marner is a lock to be a Career Leaf if he's not traded before game 1 of the regular season.

Assets like Marner don't walk for free. He will be extended long term @ the 12-13 mil he's asking for.

You guys have a few months left to mentally accept this and get over it.


It's true Marner has been a bit pathetic in the playoffs, maybe more than "a bit" at times, but it's also true he's still an amazing player and closer to superstar than he is all-star. So cheer up. Life can be much worse than running it back with a superstar, hoping he finally has a post-season breakout.

 

[centipede2233]

Marner is a lock to be a Career Leaf if he's not traded before game 1 of the regular season.

Assets like Marner don't walk for free. He will be extended long term @ the 12-13 mil he's asking for.

You guys have a few months left to mentally accept this and get over it.


It's true Marner has been a bit pathetic in the playoffs, maybe more than "a bit" at times, but it's also true he's still an amazing player and closer to superstar than he is all-star. So cheer up. Life can be much worse than running it back with a superstar, hoping he finally has a post-season breakout.

Problem is he isn’t a superstar in the playoffs…

 

[ToneDog]

Marner is a lock to be a Career Leaf if he's not traded before game 1 of the regular season.

Assets like Marner don't walk for free. He will be extended long term @ the 12-13 mil he's asking for.

You guys have a few months left to mentally accept this and get over it.


It's true Marner has been a bit pathetic in the playoffs, maybe more than "a bit" at times, but it's also true he's still an amazing player and closer to superstar than he is all-star. So cheer up. Life can be much worse than running it back with a superstar, hoping he finally has a post-season breakout.

Tavares, Panarin and Gaudreau say Hi.

As for the $12-13m, you better be wrong or we are f***ed. There is nothing worse than losing in April over and over again. We are not here to sell jerseys. Remember?

 

[Hellcat]

Guessing those with the more vivid imaginations won't like this but it seems to echo a lot of the thoughts that have been mentioned this summer.
Bolded is garbage though, no team thinks that way.

If feels like he (90% of the "Insiders") is a Tarrot card reader, has no actual insight but reads the room and tells people what they want to hear or is easy common sense. Nothing he said would suggest he has any actual inside information. Speculation and reading tea leaves only.

 

[ToneDog]

Problem is he isn’t a superstar in the playoffs…

He's not even worth his current cap hit. $12-$13m would be complete lunacy.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Problem is he isn’t a superstar in the playoffs…

The question is, do we think Keefe held him back with his game plan, and that Berube can change his game to a more playoff type game?

 

[ToneDog]

The question is, do we think Keefe held him back with his game plan, and that Berube can change his game to a more playoff type game?

So let's find out and if Berube is the answer, then sign him in June. If not, GTFO MOFO.

 

[ACC1224]

The question is, do we think Keefe held him back with his game plan, and that Berube can change his game to a more playoff type game?

It's not just him, it's all of them. If Berube can't change the narrative what was the point of bringing him in?

 

[Hellcat]

Tavares, Panarin and Gaudreau say Hi.

As for the $12-13m, you better be wrong or we are f***ed. There is nothing worse than losing in April over and over again. We are not here to sell jerseys. Remember?

He is going to say cap went up 5% he deserves at least a 5% bump on Nylander...which is $12,075,000, then he is going to say Willie does not play PK, which is another 5% bump - $12,678,750. Like it or not with McDavid in 2 years we will have 3 players north of $12.5 mil, possibly 4 if Drai comes with McDavid.

 

[Hellcat]

The question is, do we think Keefe held him back with his game plan, and that Berube can change his game to a more playoff type game?

Mitch has always been a player who avoids contact, the game he plays is the game he plays, if anything he is a little too high risk, fancy dangles, which when you play vs playoff teams that are locking the game down, that shit typically does not work well. I think it was more Sheldon's approach to playoff game management vs any one or multiple players. Could Mitch maybe try less the hero plays and more safe plays, sure but he wont generate as much offensive opportunities. Mitch has and will always play the game like he is in a video game, it's just the nature of an elite elite playmaking winger ...

 

[ToneDog]

He is going to say cap went up 5% he deserves at least a 5% bump on Nylander...which is $12,075,000, then he is going to say Willie does not play PK, which is another 5% bump - $12,678,750. Like it or not with McDavid in 2 years we will have 3 players north of $12.5 mil, possibly 4 if Drai comes with McDavid.

100% but Leafs need to grow a spine. If they are intent to resign him, make him a take it or leave it offer of $11.516m. He will be roasted if he takes Tre to the woodshed like he did Dufas.

 

[centipede2233]

He's not even worth his current cap hit. $12-$13m would be complete lunacy.

Someone posted stats on leafs players shots from the net reg season vs playoffs. I remember matthews was similar distance when he took a shot reg season or playoffs. Marner on avg his muffin shots were 30 feet from the net. His avg distance come playoff time was 40 feet. This really solidifies how petrified he is of contact in the playoffs. Taking 40 feet muffin shots in the post season doesn’t work.

 

[Aashir Mallik]

He is going to say cap went up 5% he deserves at least a 5% bump on Nylander...which is $12,075,000, then he is going to say Willie does not play PK, which is another 5% bump - $12,678,750. Like it or not with McDavid in 2 years we will have 3 players north of $12.5 mil, possibly 4 if Drai comes with McDavid.

then he should not be on this team

I’m not saying I disagree with that thought process, but it’s just not something we should be entertaining. We can’t afford to bring Marner back at almost any realistic caphit, especially not 12.7 (rounded)

Marner hasn’t shown consistent ability to elevate his game from the regular season. Part of that is the lofty expectations of being a top player in the regular season, but most of it is his inability to come up big when it matters. You can’t pay him that much money when he doesn’t show up in the big stages

 

[Hellcat]

It's not just him, it's all of them. If Berube can't change the narrative what was the point of bringing him in?

I'm not entirely sold on Berube, part of me says he found magic when Binnington came up and rode that magic for a year or two. Players say he is a great coach, I guess we will see just how great he is.

then he should not be on this team

I’m not saying I disagree with that thought process, but it’s just not something we should be entertaining. We can’t afford to bring Marner back at almost any realistic caphit, especially not 12.7 (rounded)

Marner hasn’t shown consistent ability to elevate his game from the regular season. Part of that is the lofty expectations of being a top player in the regular season, but most of it is his inability to come up big when it matters. You can’t pay him that much money when he doesn’t show up in the big stages

Even with JT's 11 mill off the books and our back end locked up for the next few years?

 

[Tak7]

How could he know what Guentzel would have gone for on the open market? He extended in Tampa. Did the clock tick past free agency before the ink dried on the contract, and that made him technically an open market signing?

Lol what?

You don't honestly think free agents wait until the morning of July 1st to start talking to teams about potential contracts, do you!?