Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[Mess]

Great effort last night against a really good team after stealing the point the night before. Pretty hard not to see he’s been consistently the best Leaf this season.

Do people not follow the stats?

Core 4 results for March as playoffs arrive. Nobody is surprised Marner is the weakest link.

Tavares: 13 goals 7 assists 20 points

Nylander: 8 goals 12 assists 20 points

Matthews: 8 goals 11 assists 19 points.

Marner : 4 goals 12 assists 16 points.

Marner the weakest link of the core 4 in March with only a measly 4 goals scored. Goals win Games.

Tavares has 13 goals in MARCH alone and Marner has 22 goals on the full season.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Do people not follow the stats?

Core 4 results for March as playoffs arrive. Nobody is surprised Marner is the weakest link.

Tavares: 13 goals 7 assists 20 points

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Nylander: 8 goals 12 assists 20 points

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Matthews: 8 goals 11 assists 19 points.

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Marner : 4 goals 12 assists 16 points.

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Marner the weakest link of the core 4 in March with only a measly 4 goals scored. Goals win Games.

Tavares has 13 goals in MARCH alone and Marner has 22 goals on the full season.

Yup, Marner is 4 points off the leader. Goals do win games it is nice to have a provider - a team will score more that way. How about playoffs? Who has produced the most points. Is Marner off the pace? If so, by how much?

 

[ACC1224]

Do people not follow the stats?

Core 4 results for March as playoffs arrive. Nobody is surprised Marner is the weakest link.

Tavares: 13 goals 7 assists 20 points

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Nylander: 8 goals 12 assists 20 points

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Matthews: 8 goals 11 assists 19 points.

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Marner : 4 goals 12 assists 16 points.

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Marner the weakest link of the core 4 in March with only a measly 4 goals scored. Goals win Games.

Tavares has 13 goals in MARCH alone and Marner has 22 goals on the full season.

Yeah it does seem pretty apparent that some only looked at limited stats and don’t watch. You can take comfort that you don’t appear to be alone in that group.

I’m happy with the play of all 4 of them at the moment then again I’m a fan of the team. I don’t need to find a way to diminish any of their play, just keep it real.

 

[thusk]

Do people not follow the stats?

Core 4 results for March as playoffs arrive. Nobody is surprised Marner is the weakest link.

Tavares: 13 goals 7 assists 20 points

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Nylander: 8 goals 12 assists 20 points

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Matthews: 8 goals 11 assists 19 points.

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Marner : 4 goals 12 assists 16 points.

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Marner the weakest link of the core 4 in March with only a measly 4 goals scored. Goals win Games.

Tavares has 13 goals in MARCH alone and Marner has 22 goals on the full season.

should it been surprising than the guy from core 4 who didn't played on 4 nation is the guy who come back after that break with higher level of energy and playing at the highest level!?!?!

 

[Gary Nylund]

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Yeah it does seem pretty apparent that some only looked at limited stats and don’t watch. You can take comfort that you don’t appear to be alone in that group.

I’m happy with the play of all 4 of them at the moment then again I’m a fan of the team. I don’t need to find a way to diminish any of their play, just keep it real.

You think nobody's noticed all the pot shots you've taken at Nylander over the years?

 

[GoonieFace]

should it been surprising than the guy from core 4 who didn't played on 4 nation is the guy who come back after that break with higher level of energy and playing at the highest level!?!?!

Nylander didn’t play? Also, that’s such a lame excuse. Excuses are for losers

 

[thewave]

Do people not follow the stats?

Core 4 results for March as playoffs arrive. Nobody is surprised Marner is the weakest link.

Tavares: 13 goals 7 assists 20 points

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Nylander: 8 goals 12 assists 20 points

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Matthews: 8 goals 11 assists 19 points.

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Marner : 4 goals 12 assists 16 points.

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Marner the weakest link of the core 4 in March with only a measly 4 goals scored. Goals win Games.

Tavares has 13 goals in MARCH alone and Marner has 22 goals on the full season.

This is all legit truth.

 

[arso40]

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You think nobody's noticed all the pot shots you've taken at Nylander over the years?

It’s just not convenient anymore cause nylanders better now

 

[thusk]

Nylander didn’t play? Also, that’s such a lame excuse. Excuses are for losers

With who Nylander playing? Since 4 nation break, Tavares had been by a miles the most consistant leafs played in term of overall game and energy level put in the game and its just not even close and that's including Nylander.

 

[arso40]

With who Nylander playing? Since 4 nation break, Tavares had been by a miles the most consistant leafs played in term of overall game and energy level put in the game and its just not even close and that's including Nylander.

are you drunk every time nylanders on the ice the whole team literally looks for him and gives him the pucc Tavares is holding his own in his own right not to diminish nothing Hes doing but nylander is the guy make no mistake

 

[Zybalto]

I respect you take the time to look at stats to back your opinion up and all but the way you can’t just use stats that favor your point.

Pretty sure 5v5 numbers for the Leafs with AM/MM/Reilly won’t be as good as Avs with Mack/Rantanen/Makar.
as the Avs three are just much better players than the Leafs trio.

What you wrote made it sounded like AM/MM/Reilly are equal to Mack/Rantanen/Makar.

Avs got better depth but their top guys actually showed up when it matters in playoffs esp elimination games while our guys just choked. If you continue to find stats to support that and built false narratives in your mind, I really can’t you seriously.
Fact is ONE playoffs series WIN in EIGHT years.
Can’t score more than TWO goals in a playoff game for the past two series. Can’t say that about the Avs.

Sorry have been away from home and hate working out math remotely but have a couple minutes here.

As far as comparing the Avs trio to the Leafs trio goes, here are the breakdowns the last 3 playoffs.

Rantanen 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.04
Goals against/60: 2.61

MacKinnon 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.98
Goals against/60: 2.45

Makar 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.32
Goals against/60: 2.68

Rielly 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.07
Goals against/60: 1.55

Marner 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.08
Goals against/60: 1.72

Matthews 5v5:
Goals for/60: 2.81
Goals against/60: 2.06

The Avs stars are solidly good 5v5 players but the Leafs trio are maybe the most potent 5v5 trio in the league the last 3 years.l including a guy like Marner driving 5v5 offence better than Rants combined with being maybe the best defensive winger in the show. Rielly production and underlying numbers are as elite as it gets too, especially just how few goals against he has been on the ice for.

The production issues with this group begin and end with the pathetic PP. It's kinda why it was amusing to see certain posters complaing during the 4 nations that Marners "issues" were that he needed more time and space when his entire playoff history is of him not having great numbers outside of tighter game conditions.

Just highlighting the good with the bad is all...and a group this offensively talented should not have had one of the most pathetic PPs in the league. Let's hope the coaching staff has a better game plan against our first round opponents than we have had in the past.

 

[Mess]

This is all legit truth.

The stats don't lie.,

Once again Marner is the weak link heading into the playoffs with the least likely of the core 4 to add much needed GOAL scoring to the Leafs as the checking gets tighter and time and space is removed.

 

[thusk]

are you drunk every time nylanders on the ice the whole team literally looks for him and gives him the pucc Tavares is holding his own in his own right not to diminish nothing Hes doing but nylander is the guy make no mistake

Nylander is the guy who's like carrying the puck.and making play when he got it... The issue with Nylander is not when he got the puck on his stick, in that category hes leafs best player but how many time a game you got puck in your stick? like what max 1 m 30 S. The issue is th 18 M without the puck. He's the best with the puck but the worst without amount core 4....

Just be honest in that one... On Matthews SH goal, do you think Nylanderjuzy would accept to let matthews goes in breakaway and interfere with defender to give him max of time and space or he would try to be the hero even his Matthews was in better position? and do you think he woukd still in front of the net to create an occasion for his teammate or would try to put himself in position to get the pucl back on his stick and made the play by himself?

That's the difference between a player accepting doing best for the team and a player who's playing for stats

 

[GoonieFace]

Nylander is the guy who's like carrying the puck.and making play when he got it... The issue with Nylander is not when he got the puck on his stick, in that category hes leafs best player but how many time a game you got puck in your stick? like what max 1 m 30 S. The issue is th 18 M without the puck. He's the best with the puck but the worst without amount core 4....

Just be honest in that one... On Matthews SH goal, do you think Nylanderjuzy would accept to let matthews goes in breakaway and interfere with defender to give him max of time and space or he would try to be the hero even his Matthews was in better position? and do you think he woukd still in front of the net to create an occasion for his teammate or would try to put himself in position to get the pucl back on his stick and made the play by himself?

That's the difference between a player accepting doing best for the team and a player who's playing for stats

This is quite the pile of dung you have laid on the ground.

 

[Ports]

He has been playing better of late. Tie must be happy.

 

[arso40]

Nylander is the guy who's like carrying the puck.and making play when he got it... The issue with Nylander is not when he got the puck on his stick, in that category hes leafs best player but how many time a game you got puck in your stick? like what max 1 m 30 S. The issue is th 18 M without the puck. He's the best with the puck but the worst without amount core 4....

Just be honest in that one... On Matthews SH goal, do you think Nylanderjuzy would accept to let matthews goes in breakaway and interfere with defender to give him max of time and space or he would try to be the hero even his Matthews was in better position? and do you think he woukd still in front of the net to create an occasion for his teammate or would try to put himself in position to get the pucl back on his stick and made the play by himself?

That's the difference between a player accepting doing best for the team and a player who's playing for stats

If it resulted in the penalty it was what would you say?

 

[notDatsyuk]

are you drunk every time nylanders on the ice the whole team literally looks for him and gives him the pucc Tavares is holding his own in his own right not to diminish nothing Hes doing but nylander is the guy make no mistake

That particular poster seems to have a hate on for Nylander - I wouldn't worry too much

 

[arso40]

Sorry have been away from home and hate working out math remotely but have a couple minutes here.

As far as comparing the Avs trio to the Leafs trio goes, here are the breakdowns the last 3 playoffs.

Rantanen 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.04
Goals against/60: 2.61

MacKinnon 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.98
Goals against/60: 2.45

Makar 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.32
Goals against/60: 2.68

Rielly 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.07
Goals against/60: 1.55

Marner 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.08
Goals against/60: 1.72

Matthews 5v5:
Goals for/60: 2.81
Goals against/60: 2.06

The Avs stars are solidly good 5v5 players but the Leafs trio are maybe the most potent 5v5 trio in the league the last 3 years.l including a guy like Marner driving 5v5 offence better than Rants combined with being maybe the best defensive winger in the show. Rielly production and underlying numbers are as elite as it gets too, especially just how few goals against he has been on the ice for.

The production issues with this group begin and end with the pathetic PP. It's kinda why it was amusing to see certain posters complaing during the 4 nations that Marners "issues" were that he needed more time and space when his entire playoff history is of him not having great numbers outside of tighter game conditions.

Just highlighting the good with the bad is all...and a group this offensively talented should not have had one of the most pathetic PPs in the league. Let's hope the coaching staff has a better game plan against our first round opponents than we have had in the past.

This is where the numbers dont add up cause the eye test tells me otherwise the avs three are better than our three the difference being Matthews is an elite defensive center

 

[arso40]

That particular poster seems to have a hate on for Nylander - I wouldn't worry too much

Mike Johnson even said on over drive that it’s amazing to see when he’s calling the game between the benches the way the team looks for him every time

 

[ashs]

Nylander was hated for his negotiating demands but gave us term and left some on the table and since signing has elevated his game and has become a fan favourite. You can tell he does not have that pressure on him anymore.

Marner was a fan favourite for most (myself including) but his selfish demands are putting everyone off. You can tell he has the weight of the city on him and his constant high ask isn't helping. Toronto owes u nothing, show us you want to be here. Take a friendly deal and give us term and the fans will forgive and you can actually play without the weight. Otherwise enjoy the pressure thet u keep building, you keep making it worse.

 

[Gabriel426]

Sorry have been away from home and hate working out math remotely but have a couple minutes here.

As far as comparing the Avs trio to the Leafs trio goes, here are the breakdowns the last 3 playoffs.

Rantanen 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.04
Goals against/60: 2.61

MacKinnon 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.98
Goals against/60: 2.45

Makar 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.32
Goals against/60: 2.68

Rielly 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.07
Goals against/60: 1.55

Marner 5v5:
Goals for/60: 3.08
Goals against/60: 1.72

Matthews 5v5:
Goals for/60: 2.81
Goals against/60: 2.06

The Avs stars are solidly good 5v5 players but the Leafs trio are maybe the most potent 5v5 trio in the league the last 3 years.l including a guy like Marner driving 5v5 offence better than Rants combined with being maybe the best defensive winger in the show. Rielly production and underlying numbers are as elite as it gets too, especially just how few goals against he has been on the ice for.

The production issues with this group begin and end with the pathetic PP. It's kinda why it was amusing to see certain posters complaing during the 4 nations that Marners "issues" were that he needed more time and space when his entire playoff history is of him not having great numbers outside of tighter game conditions.

Just highlighting the good with the bad is all...and a group this offensively talented should not have had one of the most pathetic PPs in the league. Let's hope the coaching staff has a better game plan against our first round opponents than we have had in the past.

Thanks for that.

You might be the only person in the World whom think AM, MM and Reilly are maybe the most potent 5v5 playoffs players in the past three years.
They choked big time.
And just saying they sucked during PP is an overstatement as they just sucked overall.

I wish I have your blind love of the Leafs and those guys but like people who live in the real World. I tend to look at stats that mattered like Wins instead of advanced stats.

That could all change this playoffs, but until then, pls don’t say AM, MM and Reilly are maybe the most potent trio in playoffs for the past three seasons. That’s like saying the Earth is Flat. If you believe the Earth is Flat, good for you buddy.

 

[Gabriel426]

This is where the numbers dont add it cause the eye test tells me otherwise the avs three are better than our three the difference being Matthews is an elite defensive center

Yep and Mack might not be as great as AM in the defensive side but he is not far behind.

 

[thusk]

If it resulted in the penalty it was what would you say?

Not enough for an penalty

Nylander is an amaizing offensive player but an unidimentionnal player... What you see in the score sheet that's exactly the impact he had...

If you never did it, i suggested you to try it... Unstead of watching the game the same way as usual, since the end of regular season try to focusing about game without the puck a little bit more and comparairing with detail like exemple
-how many time did they go in the slot to battle and create a screen for a teammate
- how many 50/50 battle won/lost
- how many backcheck
- How many they stay active in defensive end and trying to help his team unstead just surfing and waitin when puck not close to him
- Did they stay active in the offensive zone to find open space to give pass option or just wait and see.
- How many time did they go in the slot
- How many takeaway/ passing lane cut
- How many defensive play made
- How many time did they keep a play alive with second effort
-....

less than 1% of people here doing it, but if you start doing it, you will see a complete different game... and maybe understand why Marner always been more trusted by every leafs coach

 

[arso40]

Not enough for an penalty

Nylander is an amaizing offensive player but an unidimentionnal player... What you see in the score sheet that's exactly the impact he had...

If you never did it, i suggested you to try it... Unstead of watching the game the same way as usual, since the end of regular season try to focusing about game without the puck a little bit more and comparairing with detail like exemple
-how many time did they go in the slot to battle and create a screen for a teammate
- how many 50/50 battle won/lost
- how many backcheck
- How many they stay active in defensive end and trying to help his team unstead just surfing and waitin when puck not close to him
- Did they stay active in the offensive zone to find open space to give pass option or just wait and see.
- How many time did they go in the slot
- How many takeaway/ passing lane cut
- How many defensive play made
- How many time did they keep a play alive with second effort
-....

less than 1% of people here doing it, but if you start doing it, you will see a complete different game... and maybe understand why Marner always been more trusted by every leafs coach

I actually do watch Hes not the defensive forward they are but if you think marner blows him out the water your showing your bias cause I’ve heard the coach mention nylanders defensive game I’ve watched him bacc checc and break up plays I’ve watched nylanders engage physically I love how you guys grudgingly give up on the offensive side and then try to focus on the defensive side……LOL like I said marner has him beat but it’s not anywhere close to how you make it seem

 

[Confucius]

Nylander is the guy who's like carrying the puck.and making play when he got it... The issue with Nylander is not when he got the puck on his stick, in that category hes leafs best player but how many time a game you got puck in your stick? like what max 1 m 30 S. The issue is th 18 M without the puck. He's the best with the puck but the worst without amount core 4....

Just be honest in that one... On Matthews SH goal, do you think Nylanderjuzy would accept to let matthews goes in breakaway and interfere with defender to give him max of time and space or he would try to be the hero even his Matthews was in better position? and do you think he woukd still in front of the net to create an occasion for his teammate or would try to put himself in position to get the pucl back on his stick and made the play by himself?

That's the difference between a player accepting doing best for the team and a player who's playing for stats

He’s definitely not playing for stats. Twice he passed on empty betters and gave the puck to Holmberg. One of the times was real WTF moment when he had a clear shot but made a difficult pass to Holmberg to give him the goal. I’m sure there were a few more but that’s all I can remember right now.