Mitch Marner, Yet Again

[arso40]

Except that's not what happened. You came in after a game we won, in a series we were winning, and started saying a bunch of untrue, hateful things against Marner and his performance, despite him being one of the best players on the ice. In the process, you twisted something the commentator said, and let it slip that you barely watched any of the game.

I noted how odd it was to not only not watch a playoff game, but to then have such strong opinions about a game you didn't watch, and such negative opinions about the player that just had a great game. I pointed out that you had missed the commentators you had been referencing overwhelmingly praising Marner throughout the game.

You were the one who wouldn't leave me alone after that, and 4 years later, you're still tagging me to drag me into your misrepresentation of our discussion.

I do know more than you, and actually watching the games certainly helps that, but the biggest reason is that I actually understand what I'm watching, and I don't just spend my time searching for any obscure thing to use against Marner (after a playoff win, no less).

Montreal series he was never one of the best players you must be talking about another year

 

[Dekes For Days]

There you are... You were pretty confident back then, thinking you had pocket aces and I had 2-7 offsuit, when trolling me for my comments when the Leafs were up 3-1 . I was confident too.

Now 4 years later...Marner supporters are still telling me "just you wait till this postseason" and you dont watch every second of every game? Yes, because its easy to spot a loser.

You came into a team's forum after a playoff win you admitted you didn't watch, in a series they were leading, and posted false information to bash one of the teams best players coming off a great game, and people justifiably pushed back on your attempts. Now, 4 years later, you're still tagging me and misrepresenting that discussion, and you have the nerve to accuse other people of trolling?

You were wrong then, and you're wrong now. That's what everybody has been telling you and proving for the past 4+ years. People with a legitimate argument don't resort to misrepresenting 4 year old discussions. Nobody needs pocket aces against you. You think you have a royal flush, but you're really just holding jokers.

 

[francis246]

I’m not a fan of having two ultra-soft players making $11M+ each while playing over 20 minutes a night.

It’s tough to build a culture of grit when, for 40 minutes a game, your “core” is built around soft players. At least Nylander doesnt complain constantly to the media and clearly puts in the work traininf during the offseason and his ability to absorb contact and keep skating is evidence of it.

My issue with Marner goes beyond his on-ice play—it's his attitude. He comes off as the opposite of a leader. Always making excuses after losses—"The Cup is the hardest trophy to win for a reason," or "I thought we played good, I really did." And he looks like he’s never seen the inside of a gym. Last offseason was the first time we even heard of him training with other NHLers. Undoubtedly was told to do so by Tree and Berube.

He wants to be paid like a top guy but acts like he doesn't need to train like one? Meanwhile, players like MacKinnon, Crosby, and Kucherov are in the gym and on the ice right after the season ends. And they are much more skilled than he is. Just ask Cooper.

Mackinnon, Kucherov, Crosby.. these guys care about winning. Thats why they put in the work. Marner doesnt, Hockey is just a paycheck.

Pursuit of perfection drives Kucherov's intense summer training:

one week after Tampa’s playoff exit, Kucherov was already skating with Adam Oates.

(Pursuit of perfection drives Kucherov's intense summer training | Tampa Bay Lightning)

Lmfao pretty sure Marner is one of Adam Oa

Except that's not what happened. You came in after a game we won, in a series we were winning, and started saying a bunch of untrue, hateful things against Marner and his performance, despite him being one of the best players on the ice. In the process, you twisted something the commentator said, and let it slip that you barely watched any of the game.

I noted how odd it was to not only not watch a playoff game, but to then have such strong opinions about a game you didn't watch, and such negative opinions about the player that just had a great game. I pointed out that you had missed the commentators you had been referencing overwhelmingly praising Marner throughout the game.

You were the one who wouldn't leave me alone after that, and 4 years later, you're still tagging me to drag me into your misrepresentation of our discussion.

I do know more than you, and actually watching the games certainly helps that, but the biggest reason is that I actually understand what I'm watching, and I don't just spend my time searching for any obscure thing to use against Marner (after a playoff win, no less).

I actually remember this pretty clearly, and you were right, I remember Antro messing up something the commentator said being a big deal and everyone questioning his post. I do remember that.

 

[Smif]

Do you watch every second of every single game? Do you think everyone here does?

I definitely do. If I can't watch in real time I PVR them.

This makes conversing with you even more special. You sift through games looking for ways to bash Marner. That's all you do on this forum.

 

[666]

Yeah from what I've read, sounds like Woll had by far the worst game

Why are you spamming us with other people's opinions? Don't you see how ridiculous it is that you can't help yourself posting about a game that you didn't see? Too funny.

 

[ZEBROA]

I dont like what Marner does to threads. Hope we get another player to bipolarize about.

 

[Nineteen67]

Lmfao pretty sure Marner is one of Adam Oa

I actually remember this pretty clearly, and you were right, I remember Antro messing up something the commentator said being a big deal and everyone questioning his post. I do remember that.

Oats said on Real Kyper Marner is not one of his clients

 

[notDatsyuk]

What does it matter? It’s just pettiness. One part of the play is not more important than the other. Marner makes a beautiful play to give Willy a chance to score, Willy makes good on the opportunity with a great shot in tight. See how simple that is? You can acknowledge both parts of the goal without trying to diminish one players contribution to the play.

It's funny, but good passes rarely get acknowledged unless they result in goals. Great passes that lead to easy chances that are missed being the exception, but even then the focus is usually on the (non) goal rather than the pass.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Avoids contact
Marner 42 hits this year 376 for career
Nylander 14 hits this year 171 for career

"Avoids contact" is not so much trying to make a hit as trying to avoid getting hit. Despite the fact that he's a better skater and more capable of eluding hits, Nylander takes more.

In last year's playoffs, despite only playing 4 games to Marner's 7 (30% less ice time), Nylander had as many hits and, somewhat surprisingly, 5 times as many blocked shots.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

He comes off as he is. There isn't really much of a facade there. It's just who he is and some people like that attitude. Can't imagine why but they do.

Because the ones that do have a lot in common with him... his supporters are very much like Marner himself.

 

[ToneDog]

"Avoids contact" is not so much trying to make a hit and trying to avoid getting hit. Despite the fact that he's a better skater and more capable of eluding hits, Nylander takes more.

In last year's playoffs, despite only playing 4 games to Marner's 7 (30% less ice time), Nylander had as many hits and, somewhat surprisingly, 5 times as many blocked shots.

Nylander has come a long way from the soft perimeter player he once was. Marner is playing further away from the net now than I ever recall. I watch other games, and I have yet to see a winger play as much rover as Marner. Love to know why he thinks he is worth Matthews money. Hell, Matthews isn't worth Matthews money.

 

[thewave]

Nylander has come a long way from the soft perimeter player he once was. Marner is playing further away from the net now than I ever recall. I watch other games, and I have yet to see a winger play as much rover as Marner. Love to know why he thinks he is worth Matthews money. Hell, Matthews isn't worth Matthews money.

Exactly. As far as the player we need Marner is becoming less useful while Nylander has essentially put the team on his shoulders scoring at #2 clip in the entire NHL from L2

 

[notbias]

"Avoids contact" is not so much trying to make a hit and trying to avoid getting hit. Despite the fact that he's a better skater and more capable of eluding hits, Nylander takes more.

In last year's playoffs, despite only playing 4 games to Marner's 7 (30% less ice time), Nylander had as many hits and, somewhat surprisingly, 5 times as many blocked shots.

Why not follow the trend and post career stats instead of such a small sample? I know why...

 

[ToneDog]

Exactly. As far as the player we need Marner is becoming less useful while Nylander has essentially put the team on his shoulders scoring at #2 clip in the entire NHL from L2

Nylander is dangerous on his own when he wants to be. He turned over a few pucks vs SJ but at times it looked like he had the puck on a string. Marner is seldom dangerous on his own. 22 goal scorer wants more money than the second highest goal scorer in the league (42 goals and counting), the same guy that has scored 40+ goals the last 3 years and thinks a 69 goal scorer closing in on 400 goals is more his comparable. I am truly amazed that the Leafs do not laugh at Ferris and tell him to go f*** himself.

 

[notbias]

Nylander is dangerous on his own when he wants to be. He turned over a few pucks vs SJ but at times it looked like he had the puck on a string. Marner is seldom dangerous on his own. 22 goal scorer wants more money that the second highest goal scorer in the league (42 goals and counting), the same guy that has scored 40+ goals the last 3 years and thinks a 69 goal scorer closing in on 400 goals is more his comparable. I am truly amazed that the Leafs do not laugh at Ferris and tell him to go f*** himself.

"McDavid wants more money than Draisaitl even though he scores less goals, so dumb haha, the GM should send him packing"

 

[notDatsyuk]

Why not follow the trend and post career stats instead of such a small sample? I know why...

So do I - because the newer the stats the more evident it is that Nylander is the better player. But I suppose what's happening more recently is less important than what happened years ago?

 

[notbias]

So do I - because the newer the stats the more evident it is that Nylander is the better player. But I suppose what's happening more recently is less important than what happened years ago?

Just do a 3 year sample or something, it is likely more accurate.

Picking the one year he did better in those selected stats is probably the outlier, not the norm, you have a lot more data to reference than a single year.

Were you one of the ones saying JT was a 65 point player because of last season too? That one turned out to be false and anyone without a motive and a sliver of logic could have predicted it.

Anyway, the motive is clear, carry on.

 

[notDatsyuk]

"McDavid wants more money than Draisaitl even though he scores less goals, so dumb haha, the GM should send him packing"

I don't suppose that the fact that one scores over 83% more goals while to other score under 10% more is relevant?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Just do a 3 year sample or something, it is likely more accurate.

Picking the one year he did better in those selected stats is probably the outlier, not the norm, you have a lot more data to reference than a single year.

Were you one of the ones saying JT was a 65 point player because of last season too? That one turned out to be false and anyone without a motive and a sliver of logic could have predicted it.

Anyway, the motive is clear, carry on.

OK - three years worth of playoffs:
in about 17% more 5on5 ice time, Marner has 30 hits, 38 hits taken, and 6 blocked shots, while Nylander has 8 hits, 28 hits taken, and 5 blocked shots.

I don't think I've ever been particularly critical of Tavares - his signing, yes, although I'm not sure what his scoring has to do with how much Mitch or Willy avoid contact, although the motive for mentioning him is clear.

 

[thewave]

Just do a 3 year sample or something, it is likely more accurate.

Picking the one year he did better in those selected stats is probably the outlier, not the norm, you have a lot more data to reference than a single year.

Were you one of the ones saying JT was a 65 point player because of last season too? That one turned out to be false and anyone without a motive and a sliver of logic could have predicted it.

Anyway, the motive is clear, carry on.

The perennial top 3 goal scorer and perennial top 6 goal scorer are worth more money than the 30 or sub goal scorer that has not eclipsed 99pts in a season.

Imagine that.

Mitchy ain't worth the price tag. His terrible and constant mistakes aren't worth the price of admission either..

 

[francis246]

It's funny, but good passes rarely get acknowledged unless they result in goals. Great passes that lead to easy chances that are missed being the exception, but even then the focus is usually on the (non) goal rather than the pass.

Exactly and acknowledging the pass takes away nothing from Nylander’s shot. That was a crazy shot in tight, with a small window. Just a perfect play all around

 

[francis246]

Oats said on Real Kyper Marner is not one of his clients

Thank you for the clarification!

 

[arso40]

Just do a 3 year sample or something, it is likely more accurate.

Picking the one year he did better in those selected stats is probably the outlier, not the norm, you have a lot more data to reference than a single year.

Were you one of the ones saying JT was a 65 point player because of last season too? That one turned out to be false and anyone without a motive and a sliver of logic could have predicted it.

Anyway, the motive is clear, carry on.

You actually sound dumb use the whole career stats where marner got more opportunity hence why 1 got 7 mil and the other got 11 gimme a break ignore the fact ones improving and the other isnt stagnant if not regressing

 

[therealkoho]

It's funny, but good passes rarely get acknowledged unless they result in goals. Great passes that lead to easy chances that are missed being the exception, but even then the focus is usually on the (non) goal rather than the pass.

Agreed and as everyone who's ever played, who watches a lot of games and understands it, just knows this to be true. And why an assist or a goal both have the same point value.

 

[arso40]

Exactly and acknowledging the pass takes away nothing from Nylander’s shot. That was a crazy shot in tight, with a small window. Just a perfect play all around

Include Knies who let the pucc go to nylander instead of taking it himself too